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Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #135 on: July 11, 2008, 08:06:56 PM »

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Fair to say that by virtue of his being picked up by the Celtics, Patrick O'Bryant becomes my third favorite player from the Bakersfield Jam after Justin Reed and Kevinn Pinkney.

Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #136 on: July 11, 2008, 08:13:26 PM »

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I love this signing.  Danny is doing what Danny does best - take low risk, high potential reward gambles.  He does his homework, that you can not deny.  

He's got the big 3 and will put a little experience around them while at the same time trying to build a nucleus of young potential so that we will still be competitive when the big 3 start coming off the pay roll.  

I'd like to see him take a flyer on Darius Miles as well.  Leave a spot open for Alonzo or Mutumbo or PJ to be signed later in the season again.  

Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #137 on: July 11, 2008, 08:21:42 PM »

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I love this signing.  Danny is doing what Danny does best - take low risk, high potential reward gambles.  He does his homework, that you can not deny.  

He's got the big 3 and will put a little experience around them while at the same time trying to build a nucleus of young potential so that we will still be competitive when the big 3 start coming off the pay roll.  

I'd like to see him take a flyer on Darius Miles as well.  Leave a spot open for Alonzo or Mutumbo or PJ to be signed later in the season again.  

We only have three open roster spots left.  I'd like to see those used on Posey, a big man, and a point guard.  That means no more reclamation projects like Miles.

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Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #138 on: July 11, 2008, 08:24:35 PM »

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I am sure this is one of many signings. I would suspect that Arroyo pr Dooling could be next.....If Darius Miles is even remotely healthy...he is awesome!!! More realistic would be Bonzi Wells,Snyder or (?) Ryan Gomes.

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« Reply #139 on: July 11, 2008, 08:34:02 PM »

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Leave a spot open for Alonzo or Mutumbo or PJ to be signed later in the season again. 

I don't think this deserves its own topic, but Alonzo Mourning won't be coming back until midseason after undergoing additional surgery. At least 6 more months of recovery.

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« Reply #140 on: July 11, 2008, 08:43:13 PM »

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While it is certainly fair to question Danny--he's not perfect, to say that he has a bad overall track record in signing free agents is a bit unfair.  The fact is, when the Celtics became relevant last summer, Ainge suddenly got a lot smarter with free agent signings (Posey, House, PJ, even Cassell).  Ainge was unable to sign this type of quality FA before because none of the decent FAs wanted to play in Boston, for alot of reasons, some good, some not so good. The fact that Ainge, over his tenure, took a team that was on the decline, and turned them into NBA champions, speaks very well of his pedigree as a GM.  Seems like cherry-picking to me to say that Danny is a good GM, but does not have a good record with free agents. Let's face it: until we got Garnett and Ray, we were stuck with the Scals of the marketplace.  The emphasis during the first 4 years was in the development of young talent, and trading in those chips at the right time. I'd say that turned out to be a pretty darn good plan.

I like this signing. I think it is low risk, high reward. I put zero stock in what Don Nelson said publicly about this kid. I'm sure that Nellie has made mistakes before on evaluation of players; the fact that he publicly lambasts this kid shows Nellie's lack of class.  This kid gets a new chance here, and he is not without talent and great upside.  He will be surrounded by workaholic players and a big guru (C Ray).  It is a signing with little risk (one year with second year team option).  It fills a need for this year (back up center, especially given Perk's injury history), a legitimate 7 footer who can tie his shoes, and, hopefully, could be a building block for the future when the big 3 are retired and slapping knees.  I think Ainge took a gamble, and maybe it will only have Ricky Davis results. Or maybe it will have a much happier ending (think Al Jefferson, Perk, Delonte, Posey, etc.)

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« Reply #141 on: July 11, 2008, 08:55:53 PM »

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Seems like cherry-picking to me to say that Danny is a good GM, but does not have a good record with free agents.

Why is that cherry picking?  To me, Danny *has* been a good GM, but that doesn't mean he's perfect, or even strong, in every area of GMing.

My response was to somebody who had said, essentially, "I trust Danny due to his track record".  What part of his track record in free agency is particularly impressive?  I only pointed out his negative track record because somebody had suggested that Danny's overall track record of free agents was a positive.  I mean, I like Danny, but let's not exaggerate, okay?  Regardless of the reasons, his free agent signings were less than perfect until this past season.  Even then, as I said, Eddie House was the only signing that wasn't an absolute no brainer.  Even if you don't accept that the signings have been a negative, it's certainly fair to say that they haven't been an overwhelming positive, isn't it?

I understand that people want to rush to be Danny's "white knight", but we're all Celtics fans here.  There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that there are certain areas of Danny's resume' that are less than stellar.  I hope he builds upon what he's done so far, but his "track record" of signing Scal, Blount, and Dickau doesn't make me automatically assume that he's hit a home run with O'Bryant.

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Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #142 on: July 11, 2008, 09:18:42 PM »

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I love this signing.  Danny is doing what Danny does best - take low risk, high potential reward gambles.  He does his homework, that you can not deny.  

He's got the big 3 and will put a little experience around them while at the same time trying to build a nucleus of young potential so that we will still be competitive when the big 3 start coming off the pay roll.  

I'd like to see him take a flyer on Darius Miles as well.  Leave a spot open for Alonzo or Mutumbo or PJ to be signed later in the season again.  

We only have three open roster spots left.  I'd like to see those used on Posey, a big man, and a point guard.  That means no more reclamation projects like Miles.

Ditto.  There were four open roster spots, one of which could have been used taking a flier on a guy, and that is what Danny just did with the POB signing. 
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« Reply #143 on: July 11, 2008, 09:21:59 PM »

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Ugh.

If this is the only big we plan to sign, it's a disaster.

I still haven't gotten over the misfortune of watching this lazy, unmotivated guy sleepwalk through the Missouri Valley Conference.
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« Reply #144 on: July 11, 2008, 09:30:21 PM »

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Speaking of with 3 open roster spots (now) the Posey signing is pivotal once he's signed does that mean we are done signing wings?  Is a trade or buyout imminent?  (I see Scal still having no PT with this set of folks)  After Posey (or not) who is the next signing.  Assuming he comes back for now.  I assume its a PG, if its Eddie do we go for another big or another PG and shift Eddie to Shooting Guard or a combo guard that can handle the rock and play next to Eddie?  Its just very uncertain. And if its a big, a wing and a PG (plug in Eddie wherever you want) We're gonna start the season with a 15 man roster? Just hard to tell.

Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #145 on: July 11, 2008, 09:36:07 PM »

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My point is that there are alot more "no brainers" when guys want to play here.  Until this past year, few FAs wanted to play here.  Mostly scraps. That is what we generally signed, because we had to sign someone. I am not one to blindly say that Danny can do no wrong. He has made moves that peed me off, including trading high draft picks (hated the Telfair trade). But I never got bent out of shape about FA signings, even those that looked bad (such as Scal) because I doubt that he had any meaningful alternatives. I even think Scal is a better player than most here acknowledge. Just think Danny screwed up giving him so many years.

Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #146 on: July 11, 2008, 09:50:20 PM »

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Wow, 10 pages about Patrick O'Bryant.  I think of it as a really good second round draft pick.  I think it is very likely the minimum and maybe not even guaranteed.  Challenge him to get in shape and make the team.  If he accepts the challenge, great, we may have something really good.  If not, cut him and we are only out some of the owner's money.  I just don't see the problem.

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« Reply #147 on: July 11, 2008, 09:51:52 PM »

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Is Bill Walker signed yet? I guess that decision is imminent, or depending upon recovery after surgery?

Anyways, I always forget how many people we have signed ATM. I always think of Posey and House as still on the roster. Ugh.

Well, here's my list:

1. KG
2. PP
3. Rondo
4. Ray
5. Perk
6. JR Giddens (though not officially signed either....)
7. Pruitt
8. BB
9. Powe
10. O'Bryant
11. Scal

I'm guessing that is it?

FA's: 1. TA 2. Posey 3. House 4. Pollard 5. Cassell 6. Pollard
Rights: Bill Walker, Semih Erden

They probably sign Posey, in the end, and that's 12. Then, they sign a PG aka House hopefully, and that's 13. Put me on the bandwagon for Birdman, so..

12. Posey
13. House
14. Birdman

I'd be pretty pleased with this lineup.

Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #148 on: July 11, 2008, 09:55:55 PM »

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I've got to think we sign Walker.  I doubt the team pays for his draft rights, sends him to get surgery, and then decides not to invest in his future.  I guess Europe is an option for a season, but I doubt that happens.

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Re: Celtics sign O'bryant
« Reply #149 on: July 11, 2008, 09:56:23 PM »

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Seems like cherry-picking to me to say that Danny is a good GM, but does not have a good record with free agents.

Why is that cherry picking?  To me, Danny *has* been a good GM, but that doesn't mean he's perfect, or even strong, in every area of GMing.

My response was to somebody who had said, essentially, "I trust Danny due to his track record".  What part of his track record in free agency is particularly impressive?  I only pointed out his negative track record because somebody had suggested that Danny's overall track record of free agents was a positive.  I mean, I like Danny, but let's not exaggerate, okay?  Regardless of the reasons, his free agent signings were less than perfect until this past season.  Even then, as I said, Eddie House was the only signing that wasn't an absolute no brainer.  Even if you don't accept that the signings have been a negative, it's certainly fair to say that they haven't been an overwhelming positive, isn't it?

I understand that people want to rush to be Danny's "white knight", but we're all Celtics fans here.  There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that there are certain areas of Danny's resume' that are less than stellar.  I hope he builds upon what he's done so far, but his "track record" of signing Scal, Blount, and Dickau doesn't make me automatically assume that he's hit a home run with O'Bryant.
RH,i agree with you on this one all the way...also keep in mind,Perk doesn't play much over 24 minutes per game,so far...  we need someone with experience(vet),to almost fill the other 24 minutes at a high level of play.This is no noc on Perk,but he still got some developing to do,imo.Danny should  have found someone with better NBA credentials.  
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