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Re: Paul Pierce's maturity / gang signs? (merged)
« Reply #195 on: April 28, 2008, 07:48:05 PM »

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I knew it!!!

Wow, you seem very excited. As an FYI, it was just reported on comcast that the gesture is done by Pierce in every pre-game warmup and stands for blood, sweat and tears. So you actually were wrong about it and the NBA was wrong in fining him because they were so afraid it was a gang sign and didn't realize he does it everyday.

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« Reply #196 on: April 28, 2008, 08:03:53 PM »

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ok it is a gang sign people....and he got fined $25,000 for it. peroid.

So Stevenson's "You can't see me" that got him fined is a gang sign too? Just because he got fined doesn't make it a gang sign.

BTW, to file it under the im not surprised, Charles Barkley just said on PTI that he had no problems with a rookie Horford, trash talking a respected vet in Pierce but did have trouble with Stevenson trash-talking Lebron. Just to further prove his Pierce hatred.

For clarification's sake, it wasn't the "I can't feel my face" (the hand-waving) that got Stevenson fined -- it was the throat slash that accompanied it on one particular play in the second quarter of Sunday's game.  Just wanted to mention it in the interest of full disclosure.

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« Reply #197 on: April 28, 2008, 08:05:49 PM »

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ok it is a gang sign people....and he got fined $25,000 for it. peroid.

So Stevenson's "You can't see me" that got him fined is a gang sign too? Just because he got fined doesn't make it a gang sign.

BTW, to file it under the im not surprised, Charles Barkley just said on PTI that he had no problems with a rookie Horford, trash talking a respected vet in Pierce but did have trouble with Stevenson trash-talking Lebron. Just to further prove his Pierce hatred.

For clarification's sake, it wasn't the "I can't feel my face" (the hand-waving) that got Stevenson fined -- it was the throat slash that accompanied it on one particular play in the second quarter of Sunday's game.  Just wanted to mention it in the interest of full disclosure.

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Thanks for that, that makes more sense.

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« Reply #198 on: April 28, 2008, 08:48:34 PM »

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ok it is a gang sign people....and he got fined $25,000 for it. peroid.

So Stevenson's "You can't see me" that got him fined is a gang sign too? Just because he got fined doesn't make it a gang sign.

BTW, to file it under the im not surprised, Charles Barkley just said on PTI that he had no problems with a rookie Horford, trash talking a respected vet in Pierce but did have trouble with Stevenson trash-talking Lebron. Just to further prove his Pierce hatred.

For clarification's sake, it wasn't the "I can't feel my face" (the hand-waving) that got Stevenson fined -- it was the throat slash that accompanied it on one particular play in the second quarter of Sunday's game.  Just wanted to mention it in the interest of full disclosure.

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Thanks for that, that makes more sense.

Yep, no problem.  Easy to miss it given the fact that Stevenson is always waving and gesturing in a million different directions...kinda like the way his shot keeps bouncing all over the place but not actually falling in the basket all too often... ;)

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« Reply #199 on: April 28, 2008, 11:43:25 PM »

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I knew it!!!

Wow, you seem very excited. As an FYI, it was just reported on comcast that the gesture is done by Pierce in every pre-game warmup and stands for blood, sweat and tears. So you actually were wrong about it and the NBA was wrong in fining him because they were so afraid it was a gang sign and didn't realize he does it everyday.

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« Reply #200 on: May 01, 2008, 08:48:25 AM »

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Well I just thought I'd say shame on you to anyone who really believed paul pierce, our captain, a 10 year NBA vet, and a loyal celtic, would flash a bloods gang symbol on national TV. Now that the truth has come out, we all know this isn't the case.

Many of us here knew better, and kudos to all of you loyal supporters. but it only goes to show you some people's mentality of, "what have you done for me lately". Shame on you, you make Mike Bibby look like he's right when he says celtics fans are fairweather.
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« Reply #201 on: May 01, 2008, 08:55:06 AM »

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Great job Willy. You pretty much said word for word everything that I was thinking. Since anyone who saves me time gets a TP, here's your's for saving me the time to not have to pass on the wisdom you already imparted upon us.

I still think the whole incident was severely overblown and pretty ridiculous as I said many times. You gotta give your captain the benefit of the doubt. Well you don't have to, but it does seem to be the Green thing to do.

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« Reply #202 on: May 01, 2008, 12:25:27 PM »

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I must say I am SOrelieved! We can put this to rest since PP said that he didn't do it! There is no way that a person who did something wrong that would be damaging to his career wouldn't own up to it. The guilty NEVER lie about things...

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« Reply #203 on: May 01, 2008, 12:37:04 PM »

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amazing that you can still hold onto your biased opinion EJ after the entire celtics organization immediately responded by saying it wasn't a gang symbol, that's it's something he has done all year, that it's something he does during intros every night, and then Paul himself comes out and says he is completely opposed to gang violence and would never condone such violent acts.

This just screams a pre-determined opinion of your's and a bias against paul. you refuse to give him the benefit of the doubt, and now will go as far as to claim that Paul is just flat out lying to all his fans.

but hey, you're a blogger on a fan site, you probably know better than the entire celtics organization.  ::)
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« Reply #204 on: May 01, 2008, 12:43:10 PM »

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Im sorry, it was was game 2, and PP did that I'd listen, but it was game three, and he flashed 3 fingers... also that is a Boston thing where people flash 3's for addidas' three stripes. It is not a gang thing whatsoever!!  I actually dont know what the heck he was thinking, but i'm not bold enough to just label him something because I "Think" he put up a gang sign!!  NOPE!!

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« Reply #205 on: May 01, 2008, 12:50:22 PM »

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amazing that you can still hold onto your biased opinion EJ after the entire celtics organization immediately responded by saying it wasn't a gang symbol, that's it's something he has done all year, that it's something he does during intros every night, and then Paul himself comes out and says he is completely opposed to gang violence and would never condone such violent acts.

This just screams a pre-determined opinion of your's and a bias against paul. you refuse to give him the benefit of the doubt, and now will go as far as to claim that Paul is just flat out lying to all his fans.

but hey, you're a blogger on a fan site, you probably know better than the entire celtics organization.  ::)

I have watched every minute of every game the past 4 years since I got NBA league pass. I have probably watched over half of PP's games in his career at least and not ONCE have I ever seen him do this before. I am very glad that PP is a member of this team and he is an amazing basketball player. That does not however mean that he is necessarily a wise or good person. He may be. You don't know that anymore than I do. Here is what I do know though.

- He did this walking angrily down towards the Hawks bench.
- He did grow up in an area where it would be impossible for him not to know a gang sign or two
- He has a family member who is a member of the gang
- I have reviewed what happened numerous times and we have been given documented proof from links showing what he did as being a known gang sign
- He was fined by the NBA for this act and then Stern on TV danced around what specifically was done and would not deny this is what it was and why he was fined
- He AND the Celtics organization have every reason to not own up to this and deny it.

I have said all along that no one knows for sure. You guys are the one getting nasty and stating without a doubt you know that it is false. Step back from your biased view and ask yourself which one is more likely. I can see if I stated 100% that this was a gang sign. I BELIEVE that this is what he did based on the reasons above. Your rationale behind not believeing is that he is a member of the Celtics and he said he didn't. Think about it!!

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« Reply #206 on: May 01, 2008, 03:33:51 PM »

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Just being the Devil's advocate here but here's some reasons beyond "because he's Paul Pierce and he said so" that can justify the fact that he didn't flash a gang sign.

-With the exception of maybe one half season where I had medical problems, I have seen just about every game Paul Pierce has played in green and about 10 at Kansas. I have never seen him make this sign and the man has been heated in the past. If he was going to wield a gang sign he's had ample time and opportunity to do so before now when he was a lot less immature than he is now.

-Danny Ainge vehemently denied the use to the point of bringing forth video evidence of its past use. The only thing such an act would accomplish would be in saving Pierce chump change, $25000. It is very common for a GM to appeal for leniency for suspended players but is much less common for a GM to appeal or support a player during a fine situation. Especially a player who earns vastly more than the fine is for. It makes no sense, especially, as EJ has proven, when just the fact that it has already been called a gang sign and people's perceptions are almost never changed from their original take on an issue. Danny getting involved does not put out any bad public relations the Celtics may have incurred. Danny getting involved does not save Pierce sponsorship or endorsement money. Danny getting involved is Danny defending an absurd idea.

-For those that have played any type of organized sports, you know that every team and set of players have their own handshakes, hugs, handsignals, and/or celebrations. I personally have known approximately 15 different high fives, low fives, butt bumps, forearm shivers, handshakes and fourth quarter and pregame signs from just one year of college football. Most of those were meaningless the next year as another group were used. It is not a far fetched idea to believe the hand signal in question is indeed a team created hand signal with a hidden inside meaning. Every team has them. And not every team has video proof of their use. Except maybe the Red Sox who have a seeming endless amounts of hand signals, hand shakes, and celebratory movements.

-Paul Pierce has always supported inner city children and provided alternatives for those kids to grow beyond their neighborhood beginnings. This is the truth about the Truth. His foundation has done everything possible to stop the migration of young men and women into gangs. This lends credibility to his stance.

-Guilt by family association is just wrong. Is Darren McFadden a crackhead because his mother was? Is Amare Stoudemire a drunken driver or a criminal because his mother and brother have been or are in prison? Is DeShawn Stevenson a murderer because his father was? Just because Pierce had a family member who was a gang member does not prove in any way, shape, or form that he knew gang signs. Guilt by family association is just wrong and a horrible reason to use as proof of anyone's knowledge of or proof of anything.

-Guilt by area upbringing is once again wrong. I grew up in the inner city. I knew gang colors and gang tags and what gang controlled what area. But I knew nothing of the interior workings, language, or hand signals of any gang. There are millions of other examples of people just like me. Assuming Pierce's guilt because he grew up in an area where gangs presided is another bad example of proof of anything.

-Regardless of whether the league fined him or not, and for the same reason that EJ believes that Pierce and the Celtics have to deny it was a gang sign, so too does the league have to fine Pierce whether they believe him or not because they to need to not appear as if they condone gang hand signal use. Hence, they have to fine Pierce no matter what. So their stance is proof of nothing.

As I have said many times in this thread, the only person who truly knows what Paul Pierce did for those three seconds he flashed his hand gesture is Paul Pierce. Everything else is conjecture and speculation.

So I guess the question comes down to, if Pierce is the only person who knows for sure and there really exists no concrete evidence either way as to what his intent was, do you believe him when he denies he did flash a gang hand gesture?

This is why I have felt all along that this is a non issue. Do you believe the man or not? It really is that simple.

I do.

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« Reply #207 on: May 01, 2008, 03:56:03 PM »

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I found a video of Paul dancing on youtube:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=b24zOi6idgw

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« Reply #208 on: May 01, 2008, 04:00:56 PM »

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Saw a pretty creative fan in my section last night who took one of those foam finger things and must've cut a couple of fingers off another one and turned it into a big foam Pierce hand signal.  It actually came out very well.  TP for creativity to whoever it was.


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« Reply #209 on: May 01, 2008, 04:21:30 PM »

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well, next time just use the middle finger and remove all doubt...at least THAT is worth a fine of such high proportion. ;)
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