Celticsblog fantasy bball keeper league (Draft Thread)

[indeedproceed]

With the next pick Birdman Got Chris Kaman

There has been a trade

I send My next year First round pick.
(I dont plan to be top 7)

Blake send me this years 6th, 8th and 9th rounder



Good luck.[/b]

Can you veto trades? Is that possible?

in the case of Blakes trade thats uderstandable and actually was proposed by him
If u see his roster he is definetely going young and probably will have two lottery picks next year
So I understand his plan and It helps me a little too.

This is a terribly unbalanced trade.

VETO!

This is a DEEP league. Any team which gets THREE top NINE picks for nothing in this year's draft give them a huge advantage over everyone else.

This is a bad trade for the league.

The starting rosters go 11 deep for 20 teams... that's 220 player. Having 3 additional picks inside of 9 rounds without giving up anything this year is ridiculous.

- Mk

I agree, but Blake proposed the trade, and he's not trying to boost edgar, he's "going young", so its not vetoable in my mind. There are no shenanigans going on

I would say though that if you could only keep 6, not all of your players this trade would not be unbalanced at all.

[yall hate]

If anyone is interested in my first round pick next year, please let me know.  it is certainly for sale.

[indeedproceed]

Mine too, without question.

[yall hate]

Actually to honestly get into this debate...I dont believe future picks should be tradeable.  while we all hope everyone returns to the league, we dont know.  thats life.  It doesnt seem fair for someone to trade away key assets this year, and then not return (not that i am saying he wont be back)...

we also still havent decided how the draft order will be decided, etc...

It doesnt seem right that future picks are in play, although as with the discussion on scoring changes, it hasnt been explicitly not allowed and we are already into the draft...

[iRONLiON]

My pick is at 5:00.  I won't be back till then, so I hope the times won't change again.  Until then, I've got three guys in mind.  Leave them alone.  

[mkogav]

With the next pick Birdman Got Chris Kaman

There has been a trade

I send My next year First round pick.
(I dont plan to be top 7)

Blake send me this years 6th, 8th and 9th rounder



Good luck.[/b]

Can you veto trades? Is that possible?

in the case of Blakes trade that's uderstandable and actually was proposed by him
If u see his roster he is definetely going young and probably will have two lottery picks next year
So I understand his plan and It helps me a little too.

This is a terribly unbalanced trade.

VETO!

This is a DEEP league. Any team which gets THREE top NINE picks for nothing in this year's draft give them a huge advantage over everyone else.

This is a bad trade for the league.

The starting rosters go 11 deep for 20 teams... that's 220 player. Having 3 additional picks inside of 9 rounds without giving up anything this year is ridiculous.

- Mk

I agree, but Blake proposed the trade, and he's not trying to boost edgar, he's "going young", so its not vetoable in my mind. There are no shenanigans going on

I would say though that if you could only keep 6, not all of your players this trade would not be unbalanced at all.

I understand he proposed it and that no one is dumping player, but that is what exactly is happening!

Blake just forfitted his season midway through the draft. How is that fair???

Vetos are not just to block cheating moves. They also can save inexperienced players from hurting themselves and the league.

Veto this trade!

- Mk


Edit - no stand ins for offensive language - wdleehi

[Roy Hobbs]

Somebody can give up three picks to select Elton Brand -- a player for next season -- but they can't give up three lesser picks for a #1?

There's a difference between trades meant to cheat, and trades where players have different goals in mind.  Since one of the commissioners of the league tried to get a high pick for his #1 next year -- and talked about how it was fair at length -- I see no way this trade can be vetoed.

[yall hate]

First of all, i think we do need to have a discussion over veto's on trades in general.  are they allowed?  i am sure people would be p---ed if i traded Kobe for a 3rd rounder now and somebodies next 2 first rounders.  am i allowed to?  we need to determine, and sooner rather the later whether we even are allowed to vote on trades.  if we are, we need to decide if that is strictly player for player trades, or draft picks.  

I really think this is important to decide soon.

[yall hate]

Somebody can give up three picks to select Elton Brand -- a player for next season -- but they can't give up three lesser picks for a #1?

There's a difference between trades meant to cheat, and trades where players have different goals in mind.  Since one of the commissioners of the league tried to get a high pick for his #1 next year -- and talked about how it was fair at length -- I see no way this trade can be vetoed.

they arent really analogous.  he was making the trade for a set pick in the beg. of the second round when all but 25ish players were still available.  that pick had a lot of value, he chose to use it on Brand.  a first round pick next year could have next to no value.  remember, we keep ALL players.  so the draft is only rookies.  what if that pick is last, ie 20th.  you think the 20th rookie selected is going to have a big fantasy impact at any time in the next 2-3 years?  i dont.  but thats beside the point.  there is no set value to that pick, whereas the one CD5 acquired had a very definite value.

[Roy Hobbs]

Somebody can give up three picks to select Elton Brand -- a player for next season -- but they can't give up three lesser picks for a #1?

There's a difference between trades meant to cheat, and trades where players have different goals in mind.  Since one of the commissioners of the league tried to get a high pick for his #1 next year -- and talked about how it was fair at length -- I see no way this trade can be vetoed.

they arent really analogous.  he was making the trade for a set pick in the beg. of the second round when all but 25ish players were still available.  that pick had a lot of value, he chose to use it on Brand.  a first round pick next year could have next to no value.  remember, we keep ALL players.  so the draft is only rookies.  what if that pick is last, ie 20th.  you think the 20th rookie selected is going to have a big fantasy impact at any time in the next 2-3 years?  i dont.  but thats beside the point.  there is no set value to that pick, whereas the one CD5 acquired had a very definite value.

Perhaps.  In terms of set value, he knows he's trading a bunch of players ranked outside the top 100 for a top-20 rookie, guaranteed.  Who knows if that is fair value?

From an outside perspective, I think you're really screwed in disallowing draft pick trades, since your commissioner is the very one who got the idea started. 

[yall hate]

i agree with that, since CD5 brought it all into discussion, BUT, going back to when he raised it, the reaction wasnt exactly positive by the league at that point either.

I guess i dont really care, ultimately.  I just want to know if we are allowed to veto trades.  as i said above, what if i decide to play for 3 years from now and trade kobe for 3 future first rounders.  that may be my decision, and I am sure someone in this league would jump at that trade.  are the other 18 owners just left to look at it?

[mkogav]

Somebody can give up three picks to select Elton Brand -- a player for next season -- but they can't give up three lesser picks for a #1?

There's a difference between trades meant to cheat, and trades where players have different goals in mind.  Since one of the commissioners of the league tried to get a high pick for his #1 next year -- and talked about how it was fair at length -- I see no way this trade can be vetoed.

they arent really analogous.  he was making the trade for a set pick in the beg. of the second round when all but 25ish players were still available.  that pick had a lot of value, he chose to use it on Brand.  a first round pick next year could have next to no value.  remember, we keep ALL players.  so the draft is only rookies.  what if that pick is last, ie 20th.  you think the 20th rookie selected is going to have a big fantasy impact at any time in the next 2-3 years?  i dont.  but thats beside the point.  there is no set value to that pick, whereas the one CD5 acquired had a very definite value.

Agreed.

The value of the Brand trade was fair b/c it was before the pick. The value of the traded lesser picks for the the high #2 was in the ball park.

The fact that he selected Brand was baffling, but his issue, not the leagues.

- Mk

[Edgar]

Well I am not going to participate in this discussion
specially because there have been a lot of trades that doesnt appeal good to
the ones that are not in them, in EVERY single fantrasy draft I participate.

Im just saying yes to a proposal. Usually in this kind of things one or two deals just
appears to be unfair to the rest ( like the Brand trade) but finally its my right of god to give my next year first rounder who could be fro OJMayo to Gerald Green .

So please

Move on

[mkogav]

Well I am not going to participate in this discussion
specially because there have been a lot of trades that doesnt appeal good to
the ones that are not in them, in EVERY single fantrasy draft I participate.

Im just saying yes to a proposal. Usually in this kind of things one or two deals just
appears to be unfair to the rest ( like the Brand trade) but finally its my right of god to give my next year first rounder who could be fro OJMayo to Gerald Green .

So please

Move on

In every other league that I have been in there are always questionable trades.

The difference is that in those leagues the managers can vote down the trade or the commissioner can veto the trade.

Since a veto method was not decided b4 the draft, this has become a problem.

If the rest league doesn't care that Blake is dumping valuable picks to another team or if the Commish decides it's ok then we can move on.

And if u didn't like some of the earlier trade then u should have spoken up.

- Mk

[Edgar]

Well I am not going to participate in this discussion
specially because there have been a lot of trades that doesnt appeal good to
the ones that are not in them, in EVERY single fantrasy draft I participate.

Im just saying yes to a proposal. Usually in this kind of things one or two deals just
appears to be unfair to the rest ( like the Brand trade) but finally its my right of god to give my next year first rounder who could be fro OJMayo to Gerald Green .

So please

Move on

In every other league that I have been in there are always questionable trades.

The difference is that in those leagues the managers can vote down the trade or the commissioner can veto the trade.

Since a veto method was not decided b4 the draft, this has become a problem.

If the rest league doesn't care that Blake is dumping valuable picks to another team or if the Commish decides it's ok then we can move on.

And if u didn't like some of the earlier trade then u should have spoken up.

- Mk

Its just that I pretty much think the result would be the same

A lot of trash talking
and the same result

Edgar