Celticsblog fantasy bball keeper league (Draft Thread)

[Roy Hobbs]

Wow.  I'm about to bar this group from using the Celticsblog forums  to conduct its draft, if it's going to be done in such an arbitrary manner. 

The "commissioner" who proposed trading first round picks in the first place, and who made multiple posts about such picks, is now saying they can't be traded, because Edgar came out ahead?

I hope you guys realize how arbitrary and ridiculous this looks from afar.  A veto system is fine.  Arbitrarily changing the rules to specifically exclude one player's trade shouldn't be.  Since draft pick trades *have* been allowed since the draft began -- per the "commissioner" -- they should be allowed now.  Changing the rules half way through is bush league.

[RIPRED]

o.k. I will put it as transparent as it can be

If ure going to say in an arbitrary manner thaat this trade is veto, How about if it was just my next years 1st only for a 9th, probably then u all may be laughing at me and saying i was robbed, but never veto the trade
again

ARBITRARY

I really dont care as im just about leaving the league im just making u clear this is Stupid, cause even the veto rules were never posted before.

Now. If that is the desition I recomend u undo all trades made until now, draft all players with ur picks, the do the negociation when the draft is over. Its the only way everybody agrees with ur trades, and most likely then people will disagree too.

I recomend u ask a mod to undo the trade in page one too.

Edgar

Like i said before, I understand your frustration with having your trade potentially vetoed, but that is part of fantasy (or least part of EVERY league that I have ever been a part of in all sports).  I am not saying that I think you are wrong to be upset, but I do think that you are overreacting a tad.  I have never been in a league that did not have the option to veto a trade.  Like I said before, I really want Tom Brady on my fantasy football team, but the trade that was proposed to me was vetoed by the other GM's and that's something that I have to deal with.  

[The Walker Wiggle]

Its unconstitutional to undo all the trades, because I got Lebron James.

I can't argue with that. TP.

[wdleehi]

I knew there was a reason I got out when I did. 


It was just to all over the place.  The organization has not been good. 

[CelticsDynasty5]

Wow.  I'm about to bar this group from using the Celticsblog forums  to conduct its draft, if it's going to be done in such an arbitrary manner. 

The "commissioner" who proposed trading first round picks in the first place, and who made multiple posts about such picks, is now saying they can't be traded, because Edgar came out ahead?

I hope you guys realize how arbitrary and ridiculous this looks from afar.  A veto system is fine.  Arbitrarily changing the rules to specifically exclude one player's trade shouldn't be.  Since draft pick trades *have* been allowed since the draft began -- per the "commissioner" -- they should be allowed now.  Changing the rules half way through is bush league.

I barred it because it's clear people value them way too differently. Some people value them like they are nothing, some people value them like they are a ton. In reality its inbetween, and since people can't seem to even come close to its value and are on both ends of the extremes I decided to get rid of it.

If people disagree with this they can speak up and I will change my mind. I just feel that it was clear when you have people like you/wdheeli/others completly dismissing a 1st round pick as anything of value saying oh you can draft sergi whoeever, then people like blake overvaluing it giving up 6th, 8th, and 9th round picks for it is just to confusing. When in reality i'd say a future 1st round pick is on average worth somewhere between a 6th-8th round pick in this draft, but it's clear people don't see it as that.

[Edgar]

Yes Wd and sadly I cannot say u didnt told me cause u did.
i m just trying to save the whole thing but its gettin difficult by the second.

OK here i go

To post a rule about the inacceptability of trading a next year pick at this time is out of the question
The veto system is acceptable and keep the things fair when is democratic, but Im pretty sure a trade that benefit a contender will never be pro voted in a demogratic election  . And anyone can veto anything with the right "motivations"

Im not overreacting im pointing the obvious
So

I will be destroyed in this Venezuelan elections but here we go
Please listen to ur heart
We are voting THIS trade specifically

Accept Edgars trade: 1 vote in favor.   It isnt democratic if I cant vote.

[RIPRED]

Wow.  I'm about to bar this group from using the Celticsblog forums  to conduct its draft, if it's going to be done in such an arbitrary manner. 

The "commissioner" who proposed trading first round picks in the first place, and who made multiple posts about such picks, is now saying they can't be traded, because Edgar came out ahead?

I hope you guys realize how arbitrary and ridiculous this looks from afar.  A veto system is fine.  Arbitrarily changing the rules to specifically exclude one player's trade shouldn't be.  Since draft pick trades *have* been allowed since the draft began -- per the "commissioner" -- they should be allowed now.  Changing the rules half way through is bush league.

Roy, I agree with what you are saying.  Edgar's trade should be accepted, but it should be subject to veto as every trade in any fantasy league should be (check our CelticsBlog fantasy football league, it also has a veto option.).  I really don't care how many picks he has this year, b/c there are only so many roster spots, so he will have to cut some guys or forfeit picks later on anyway.

On a side note, it seems a little strange that you would lock this thread for any reason other than profanity which has, for the most part, been avoided.  I really appreciate all of the hard work that you guys put into this site and thank you for helping it to run smoothly, but closing this thread would be absolutely egregious.  I love the fact that the younger kids in my family can come onto this site and not have to worry about reading some of the asinine stuff that they are subject to on ESPN's boards, but please don't overpolice.

[CelticsDynasty5]

Yes Wd and sadly I cannot say u didnt told me cause u did.
i m just trying to save the whole thing but its gettin difficult by the second.

OK here i go

To post a rule about the inacceptability of trading a next year pick at this time is out of the question
The veto system is acceptable and keep the things fair when is democratic, but Im pretty sure a trade that benefit a contender will never be pro voted in a demogratic election  . And anyone can veto anything with the right "motivations"

Im not overreacting im pointing the obvious
So

I will be destroyed in this Venezuelan elections but here we go
Please listen to ur heart
We are voting THIS trade specifically

Accept Edgars trade: 1 vote in favor.   It isnt democratic if I cant vote.

I reject this trade, it is clearly unfair

[Edgar]

Wow.  I'm about to bar this group from using the Celticsblog forums  to conduct its draft, if it's going to be done in such an arbitrary manner. 

The "commissioner" who proposed trading first round picks in the first place, and who made multiple posts about such picks, is now saying they can't be traded, because Edgar came out ahead?

I hope you guys realize how arbitrary and ridiculous this looks from afar.  A veto system is fine.  Arbitrarily changing the rules to specifically exclude one player's trade shouldn't be.  Since draft pick trades *have* been allowed since the draft began -- per the "commissioner" -- they should be allowed now.  Changing the rules half way through is bush league.

Roy, I agree with what you are saying.  Edgar's trade should be accepted, but it should be subject to veto as every trade in any fantasy league should be (check our CelticsBlog fantasy football league, it also has a veto option.), and it doesn't seem that Edgar is willing to accept even that at this point.  I really don't care how many picks he has this year, b/c there are only so many roster spots, so he will have to cut some guys or forfeit picks later on anyway.

On a side note, it seems a little strange that you would lock this thread for any reason other than profanity which has, for the most part, been avoided.  I really appreciate all of the hard work that you guys put into this site and thank you for helping it to run smoothly, but closing this thread would be absolutely egregious.  I love the fact that the younger kids in my family can come onto this site and not have to worry about reading some of the asinine stuff that they are subject to on ESPN's boards, but please don't overpolice.

Yes Wd and sadly I cannot say u didnt told me cause u did.
i m just trying to save the whole thing but its gettin difficult by the second.

OK here i go

To post a rule about the inacceptability of trading a next year pick at this time is out of the question
The veto system is acceptable and keep the things fair when is democratic, but Im pretty sure a trade that benefit a contender will never be pro voted in a demogratic election  . And anyone can veto anything with the right "motivations"

Im not overreacting im pointing the obvious
So

I will be destroyed in this Venezuelan elections but here we go
Please listen to ur heart
We are voting THIS trade specifically

Accept Edgars trade: 2 vote in favor, 1 cote against.  

[Roy Hobbs]

Roy, I agree with what you are saying.  Edgar's trade should be accepted, but it should be subject to veto as every trade in any fantasy league should be (check our CelticsBlog fantasy football league, it also has a veto option.), and it doesn't seem that Edgar is willing to accept even that at this point.

Right.  There should be a veto system, and Edgar needs to live with the results.  I'm sure he will.  What shouldn't happen is that the "commissioner" arbitrarily sets rules.

On a side note, it seems a little strange that you would lock this thread for any reason other than profanity which has, for the most part, been avoided.

When I see one user using Celticsblog to unfairly and arbitrarily damage another poster, that gives me the right to act.  It's very unlikely that I would do that, and damage 18 other posters in the process, but if this continues to be a problem, I'll do what I have to do. 

[mkogav]

Wow.  I'm about to bar this group from using the Celticsblog forums  to conduct its draft, if it's going to be done in such an arbitrary manner. 

The "commissioner" who proposed trading first round picks in the first place, and who made multiple posts about such picks, is now saying they can't be traded, because Edgar came out ahead?

I hope you guys realize how arbitrary and ridiculous this looks from afar.  A veto system is fine.  Arbitrarily changing the rules to specifically exclude one player's trade shouldn't be.  Since draft pick trades *have* been allowed since the draft began -- per the "commissioner" -- they should be allowed now.  Changing the rules half way through is bush league.

Roy, I agree with what you are saying.  Edgar's trade should be accepted, but it should be subject to veto as every trade in any fantasy league should be (check our CelticsBlog fantasy football league, it also has a veto option.), and it doesn't seem that Edgar is willing to accept even that at this point.  I really don't care how many picks he has this year, b/c there are only so many roster spots, so he will have to cut some guys or forfeit picks later on anyway.

On a side note, it seems a little strange that you would lock this thread for any reason other than profanity which has, for the most part, been avoided.  I really appreciate all of the hard work that you guys put into this site and thank you for helping it to run smoothly, but closing this thread would be absolutely egregious.  I love the fact that the younger kids in my family can come onto this site and not have to worry about reading some of the asinine stuff that they are subject to on ESPN's boards, but please don't overpolice.

Yes Wd and sadly I cannot say u didnt told me cause u did.
i m just trying to save the whole thing but its gettin difficult by the second.

OK here i go

To post a rule about the inacceptability of trading a next year pick at this time is out of the question
The veto system is acceptable and keep the things fair when is democratic, but Im pretty sure a trade that benefit a contender will never be pro voted in a demogratic election  . And anyone can veto anything with the right "motivations"

Im not overreacting im pointing the obvious
So

I will be destroyed in this Venezuelan elections but here we go
Please listen to ur heart
We are voting THIS trade specifically

Accept Edgars trade: 2 vote in favor, 1 cote against.   

veto

[RIPRED]

Wow.  I'm about to bar this group from using the Celticsblog forum's to conduct its draft, if it's going to be done in such an arbitrary manner. 

The "commissioner" who proposed trading first round picks in the first place, and who made multiple posts about such picks, is now saying they can't be traded, because Edgar came out ahead?

I hope you guys realize how arbitrary and ridiculous this looks from afar.  A veto system is fine.  Arbitrarily changing the rules to specifically exclude one player's trade shouldn't be.  Since draft pick trades *have* been allowed since the draft began -- per the "commissioner" -- they should be allowed now.  Changing the rules half way through is bush league.

I barred it because it's clear people value them way too differently. Some people value them like they are nothing, some people value them like they are a ton. In reality its inbetween, and since people can't seem to even come close to its value and are on both ends of the extremes I decided to get rid of it.

If people disagree with this they can speak up and I will change my mind. I just feel that it was clear when you have people like you/wdheeli/others completly dismissing a 1st round pick as anything of value saying oh you can draft sergi whoeever, then people like blake overvaluing it giving up 6th, 8th, and 9th round picks for it is just to confusing. When in reality i'd say a future 1st round pick is on average worth somewhere between a 6th-8th round pick in this draft, but it's clear people don't see it as that.

I think that anything should be open for trade, but should also be subject to a veto in which 1/2 the league (excluding the players involved in the trade--in this case 9 vetoes would cancel the trade) can veto said trade.  If Edgar wants to give up his first rounder next year he should be allowed to do so if the trade is not vetoed.

Also, Edgar, I never really see too many trades get vetoed in any of my other leagues, so it is not like people will veto someones trade just because that team is doing well.  Or at least that is usually the case, I can't tell you what would happen it this league.

[Edgar]

Wow.  I'm about to bar this group from using the Celticsblog forums  to conduct its draft, if it's going to be done in such an arbitrary manner. 

The "commissioner" who proposed trading first round picks in the first place, and who made multiple posts about such picks, is now saying they can't be traded, because Edgar came out ahead?

I hope you guys realize how arbitrary and ridiculous this looks from afar.  A veto system is fine.  Arbitrarily changing the rules to specifically exclude one player's trade shouldn't be.  Since draft pick trades *have* been allowed since the draft began -- per the "commissioner" -- they should be allowed now.  Changing the rules half way through is bush league.

Roy, I agree with what you are saying.  Edgar's trade should be accepted, but it should be subject to veto as every trade in any fantasy league should be (check our CelticsBlog fantasy football league, it also has a veto option.), and it doesn't seem that Edgar is willing to accept even that at this point.  I really don't care how many picks he has this year, b/c there are only so many roster spots, so he will have to cut some guys or forfeit picks later on anyway.

On a side note, it seems a little strange that you would lock this thread for any reason other than profanity which has, for the most part, been avoided.  I really appreciate all of the hard work that you guys put into this site and thank you for helping it to run smoothly, but closing this thread would be absolutely egregious.  I love the fact that the younger kids in my family can come onto this site and not have to worry about reading some of the asinine stuff that they are subject to on ESPN's boards, but please don't overpolice.

Yes Wd and sadly I cannot say u didnt told me cause u did.
i m just trying to save the whole thing but its gettin difficult by the second.

OK here i go

To post a rule about the inacceptability of trading a next year pick at this time is out of the question
The veto system is acceptable and keep the things fair when is democratic, but Im pretty sure a trade that benefit a contender will never be pro voted in a demogratic election  . And anyone can veto anything with the right "motivations"

Im not overreacting im pointing the obvious
So

I will be destroyed in this Venezuelan elections but here we go
Please listen to ur heart
We are voting THIS trade specifically

Accept Edgars trade: 2 vote in favor, 1 cote against.   

veto

Accept Edgars trade: 2 vote in favor, 2 vote against

[CelticsDynasty5]

Wow.  I'm about to bar this group from using the Celticsblog forums  to conduct its draft, if it's going to be done in such an arbitrary manner. 

The "commissioner" who proposed trading first round picks in the first place, and who made multiple posts about such picks, is now saying they can't be traded, because Edgar came out ahead?

I hope you guys realize how arbitrary and ridiculous this looks from afar.  A veto system is fine.  Arbitrarily changing the rules to specifically exclude one player's trade shouldn't be.  Since draft pick trades *have* been allowed since the draft began -- per the "commissioner" -- they should be allowed now.  Changing the rules half way through is bush league.

Roy, I agree with what you are saying.  Edgar's trade should be accepted, but it should be subject to veto as every trade in any fantasy league should be (check our CelticsBlog fantasy football league, it also has a veto option.), and it doesn't seem that Edgar is willing to accept even that at this point.  I really don't care how many picks he has this year, b/c there are only so many roster spots, so he will have to cut some guys or forfeit picks later on anyway.

On a side note, it seems a little strange that you would lock this thread for any reason other than profanity which has, for the most part, been avoided.  I really appreciate all of the hard work that you guys put into this site and thank you for helping it to run smoothly, but closing this thread would be absolutely egregious.  I love the fact that the younger kids in my family can come onto this site and not have to worry about reading some of the asinine stuff that they are subject to on ESPN's boards, but please don't overpolice.

Yes Wd and sadly I cannot say u didnt told me cause u did.
i m just trying to save the whole thing but its gettin difficult by the second.

OK here i go

To post a rule about the inacceptability of trading a next year pick at this time is out of the question
The veto system is acceptable and keep the things fair when is democratic, but Im pretty sure a trade that benefit a contender will never be pro voted in a demogratic election  . And anyone can veto anything with the right "motivations"

Im not overreacting im pointing the obvious
So

I will be destroyed in this Venezuelan elections but here we go
Please listen to ur heart
We are voting THIS trade specifically

Accept Edgars trade: 2 vote in favor, 1 cote against.   

veto

Accept Edgars trade: 2 vote in favor, 2 vote against

Who are the 2 people who said in favor? you and Blake? You guys aren't allowed to vote as you are the ones involved in the trade.

[Edgar]

Wow.  I'm about to bar this group from using the Celticsblog forums  to conduct its draft, if it's going to be done in such an arbitrary manner. 

The "commissioner" who proposed trading first round picks in the first place, and who made multiple posts about such picks, is now saying they can't be traded, because Edgar came out ahead?

I hope you guys realize how arbitrary and ridiculous this looks from afar.  A veto system is fine.  Arbitrarily changing the rules to specifically exclude one player's trade shouldn't be.  Since draft pick trades *have* been allowed since the draft began -- per the "commissioner" -- they should be allowed now.  Changing the rules half way through is bush league.

Roy, I agree with what you are saying.  Edgar's trade should be accepted, but it should be subject to veto as every trade in any fantasy league should be (check our CelticsBlog fantasy football league, it also has a veto option.), and it doesn't seem that Edgar is willing to accept even that at this point.  I really don't care how many picks he has this year, b/c there are only so many roster spots, so he will have to cut some guys or forfeit picks later on anyway.

On a side note, it seems a little strange that you would lock this thread for any reason other than profanity which has, for the most part, been avoided.  I really appreciate all of the hard work that you guys put into this site and thank you for helping it to run smoothly, but closing this thread would be absolutely egregious.  I love the fact that the younger kids in my family can come onto this site and not have to worry about reading some of the asinine stuff that they are subject to on ESPN's boards, but please don't overpolice.

Yes Wd and sadly I cannot say u didnt told me cause u did.
i m just trying to save the whole thing but its gettin difficult by the second.

OK here i go

To post a rule about the inacceptability of trading a next year pick at this time is out of the question
The veto system is acceptable and keep the things fair when is democratic, but Im pretty sure a trade that benefit a contender will never be pro voted in a demogratic election  . And anyone can veto anything with the right "motivations"

Im not overreacting im pointing the obvious
So

I will be destroyed in this Venezuelan elections but here we go
Please listen to ur heart
We are voting THIS trade specifically

Accept Edgars trade: 2 vote in favor, 1 cote against.   

veto

Accept Edgars trade: 2 vote in favor, 2 vote against

Who are the 2 people who said in favor? you and Blake? You guys aren't allowed to vote as you are the ones involved in the trade.

Please CD read before posting. Ripred.

And...Ure going to decide this too....by this time...nice. Must be a joke.