Presser take aways.

[Donoghus]

Crap move, but whatever at this stage. If the fans start turning negative during games, it won't help anything. The best thing people can do is support the team and hope for the best, or at least give them a chance. Booing and being hostile at this stage would be completely counterproductive.

Especially with PG, it didn't go unnoticed that he waived his trade kicker. He must have wanted out of Philly, and that fan base had become pretty toxic. Replicating that here won't help anyone.

I'm expecting fans to boo the @#$% out of PG13...the fanbase will hate him. He's replacing a favorite son, everyone thinks he's a terrible return, his production these days, since he's a complementary player, more matches a $20-25m player than a $58m one, plus all his off court issues like the drugs and dumping Doc's daughter for a stripper who was his baby mama (who at least he married). I don't know if anyone could start off on the wronger foot in Boston 

It kind of reminds me of all the criticism Gordon Hayward got when he came back from his injury and was getting paid a max and everyone was criticizing him because he wasn't scoring "at the level we expect a max player to score", and was losing out to the likes of Mook and the Jays. I'm expecting much the same criticism when people see his production isn't matching that of Jaylen, advance stats be [dang]ed. That's much the same criticism that the Sixers had of him, when he was getting outscored by the likes of Maxey and VJ (who, it must be said, were trying to get paid and fill up the box score).

That would be so stupid to boo Paul George.

Fans generally tend to be emotion based, not reason based 

I think the bulk of the ire from fans is gonna be directed at Chisholm, not PG.  I wouldn't be showing him on the jumbotron if I was the organization.

[Kernewek]

Listening to the talk about the cap under the new CBA was intriguing.  I wonder, has the NBA backed itself into a corner.  What are teams like SAS, OKC, PHI, and others going to do when these max contracts hit.

It is what Adam Silver wanted.  He did not want another Golden State, and no team has even won its conference in consecutive years since 2018-2019.  The Celtics and Heat are the only two teams to have been to multiple finals in the last 7 seasons.  I do not think he feels he has backed anything into a corner.  Everything is right where he wants it to be.  OKC is way over the second apron this year, and is going to have lose a lot of players next summer, if they do not get rid of them sooner.  This is even after they dumped two rotation players this offseason.  Next year they are losing one of Williams or Holmgren, or else they are getting rid of/letting walk several other players (likely including all of Dort, Caruso, and Cason Wallace).

Everyone's happy except for the players.

It's like the old Devo song - freedom from choice is what you want, freedom of choice is what you got. People think they want parity, but they don't like how parity looks now that it's here.

The problem is that the situation the governors are trying to avoid: Durant-to-the-Warriors, James-to-the-Heat, &c. makes it very difficult to avoid 'breaking up the band'.

I think the long-term goal is to create pressure on players to take less money to keep the band together, rather than on ownership  to pay more to do so.

I am not sure I agree with that, if only because you'll never really see a situation again where enough of the needle-moving players are going to take less in a meaningful way (i.e. the top 5 free agents/extendable players all leave tens if not hundreds of millions on the table in order to compete) - you'd have to go back to the Heatles to see that, and Miami didn't have to deal with the same punitive structures of the aprons and the luxury tax to build around their three stars - and the 2011 CBA made it harder, with the most recent CBA going harder in that direction.

The players keep getting taken to the cleaners in CBA negotiations, but I don't think the owners are using the current cap structure to actively pay top players less (even though this is obviously a mgmt goal every time they go to negotiations), just to keep one team from paying them max contracts.

[Csfan1984]

I took it as we on a budget from now on. It's easier to stay on budget without two max players.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

I'm upset Bill Chisolm wasn't asked more questions in the presser, but boy he looked shook answering the 3 to 4 questions he was asked, like he wasn't ready for the moment. Well guess what buddy, if you treat this like the Red Sox post-2018, the fans and media will shred you and rightfully so. He's absolutely gonna get booed if he steps in the Garden next season, I'm curious to see if he still shows up on the sidelines this season like he did last season.

chisolm sounded like a clown. what a joke all these pressers were. pure damage control because they know we are pizzed off.

[Celtics2021]

Listening to the talk about the cap under the new CBA was intriguing.  I wonder, has the NBA backed itself into a corner.  What are teams like SAS, OKC, PHI, and others going to do when these max contracts hit.

It is what Adam Silver wanted.  He did not want another Golden State, and no team has even won its conference in consecutive years since 2018-2019.  The Celtics and Heat are the only two teams to have been to multiple finals in the last 7 seasons.  I do not think he feels he has backed anything into a corner.  Everything is right where he wants it to be.  OKC is way over the second apron this year, and is going to have lose a lot of players next summer, if they do not get rid of them sooner.  This is even after they dumped two rotation players this offseason.  Next year they are losing one of Williams or Holmgren, or else they are getting rid of/letting walk several other players (likely including all of Dort, Caruso, and Cason Wallace).

Everyone's happy except for the players.

It's like the old Devo song - freedom from choice is what you want, freedom of choice is what you got. People think they want parity, but they don't like how parity looks now that it's here.

The problem is that the situation the governors are trying to avoid: Durant-to-the-Warriors, James-to-the-Heat, &c. makes it very difficult to avoid 'breaking up the band'.

I think the long-term goal is to create pressure on players to take less money to keep the band together, rather than on ownership  to pay more to do so.

I am not sure I agree with that, if only because you'll never really see a situation again where enough of the needle-moving players are going to take less in a meaningful way (i.e. the top 5 free agents/extendable players all leave tens if not hundreds of millions on the table in order to compete) - you'd have to go back to the Heatles to see that, and Miami didn't have to deal with the same punitive structures of the aprons and the luxury tax to build around their three stars - and the 2011 CBA made it harder, with the most recent CBA going harder in that direction.

The players keep getting taken to the cleaners in CBA negotiations, but I don't think the owners are using the current cap structure to actively pay top players less (even though this is obviously a mgmt goal every time they go to negotiations), just to keep one team from paying them max contracts.

Brunson took less for that purpose, and Towns at had volunteered to do the same.  I am quite sure the NBA owners loved that, and are hoping the same for their own teams.  Will it happen, who know, but having a de facto hard cap has led to similar behavior in football amongst some star players.

[LilRip]

Listening to the talk about the cap under the new CBA was intriguing.  I wonder, has the NBA backed itself into a corner.  What are teams like SAS, OKC, PHI, and others going to do when these max contracts hit.

It is what Adam Silver wanted.  He did not want another Golden State, and no team has even won its conference in consecutive years since 2018-2019.  The Celtics and Heat are the only two teams to have been to multiple finals in the last 7 seasons.  I do not think he feels he has backed anything into a corner.  Everything is right where he wants it to be.  OKC is way over the second apron this year, and is going to have lose a lot of players next summer, if they do not get rid of them sooner.  This is even after they dumped two rotation players this offseason.  Next year they are losing one of Williams or Holmgren, or else they are getting rid of/letting walk several other players (likely including all of Dort, Caruso, and Cason Wallace).

Everyone's happy except for the players.

It's like the old Devo song - freedom from choice is what you want, freedom of choice is what you got. People think they want parity, but they don't like how parity looks now that it's here.

The problem is that the situation the governors are trying to avoid: Durant-to-the-Warriors, James-to-the-Heat, &c. makes it very difficult to avoid 'breaking up the band'.

I think the long-term goal is to create pressure on players to take less money to keep the band together, rather than on ownership  to pay more to do so.

The way the league is headed, soon there will not be a band to keep together because players will not stay long enough. It is the era of parity, and good players will move and decent players will be traded. Unless the player is a franchise player like SGA, Wemby, JT, Ant, Haliburton, etc., they are probably going to be moved at some point in their career moving forward.

[Csfan1984]

If guys stop being together long because of $ owners don't want to pay. then fans will end up just being less invested because teams are letting their favorite players go. It's a dangerous game to play. Could ruin the value of the whole league.

[Kuberski33]

To the Chisholm is a cheapskate crowd - I would suggest that the real cheapskate approach would have been to extend Jaylen, then go cheap on the rest of the roster - and still tell the fan base you're 'championship driven' when the real business plan is get one to two rounds of playoff home games per season and call it a day.

They're actually not doing that. They're going the extremely unpopular route of moving on from Jaylen and trying to restructure the team.

You may or may not agree with how they're doing it (count me in the latter category) but he is trying to win.  Keeping Jaylen, raising ticket prices each season and know you're not gonna win another title anytime soon, would have been the best way to make money - if that's all you cared about.

And trust me, if he had gone that route, Brad would soon decide he doesn't want his brand damaged by an organization that's just focused on making money primarily - and he'd be looking for a new job sooner vs later.

Again, disagree with the method (and I do think the trade was horrible) but the reason wasn't Chisholm cheaping out.

[Kuberski33]

If guys stop being together long because of $ owners don't want to pay. then fans will end up just being less invested because teams are letting their favorite players go. It's a dangerous game to play. Could ruin the value of the whole league.

The new collective bargaining agreement was done to keep the small markets competitive. It's gonna force more roster movement, which means more fans being p---ed off when their favorite players move on due to the cap or because they can make more money elsewhere. And I think that does ultimately hurt the league.

The hit the Celtics brand took moving on from Jaylen I think is going to be greater than even they realize right now.

Is that a good thing long term?  Keep in mind though, the players agreed to this too.

I think time will prove that both sides were being very short sighted when they signed off on the current agreement.

[ozgod]

There's a lot of hot takes because most fans don't really put a huge amount of thought into this...this is a pastime, nobody wants to dig into the salary cap in depth, try and work out the financial benefits that will lead to roster flexibility later on, basically they see a trade where a favorite son was shipped out for the basketball equivalent of a bag of peanuts and they don't like it.

I mean more of them than not probably wanted him shipped out since he was the common pinata for losses anyway (look at all the posts calling for him to be traded after we lost to the Sixers and the #JTJB hashtag) and nobody thought he was worth his supermax when it was signed and they don't think he deserves to be the highest paid player in the NBA 2 years from now, but they didn't want just two firsts and a broken down drug user in return for getting rid of him. They want another All-NBA player, like Giannis, and/or they want 4 or 5 firsts for him, because if also ran like Mikal Bridges can command 5 firsts why can't Jaylen?

And absent being able to look into a crystal ball and look into the future to see the effect of the trade they can only react to what appears to be a lopsided trade that made a hated foe stronger. Plus, we follow the Celtics because we like basketball, not accounting or understanding income tax or budgeting 

And let's be honest, 2 years from now, which is when the benefits of "optionality" will become apparent, that's forever for a fan. We like in the here and now. Anything that happens more than 6 months from now is an eternity away.

Personally, I feel that history will be kinder to Brad when we do get to that time period. As for Bill, maybe not. Fans need someone to blame for the team's ills. Jaylen is gone, so now Bill's the guy 

[Larry for 3]

There's a lot of hot takes because most fans don't really put a huge amount of thought into this...this is a pastime, nobody wants to dig into the salary cap in depth, try and work out the financial benefits that will lead to roster flexibility later on, basically they see a trade where a favorite son was shipped out for the basketball equivalent of a bag of peanuts and they don't like it.

I mean more of them than not probably wanted him shipped out since he was the common pinata for losses anyway (look at all the posts calling for him to be traded after we lost to the Sixers and the #JTJB hashtag) and nobody thought he was worth his supermax when it was signed and they don't think he deserves to be the highest paid player in the NBA 2 years from now, but they didn't want just two firsts and a broken down drug user in return for getting rid of him. They want another All-NBA player, like Giannis, and/or they want 4 or 5 firsts for him, because if also ran like Mikal Bridges can command 5 firsts why can't Jaylen?

And absent being able to look into a crystal ball and look into the future to see the effect of the trade they can only react to what appears to be a lopsided trade that made a hated foe stronger. Plus, we follow the Celtics because we like basketball, not accounting or understanding income tax or budgeting 

And let's be honest, 2 years from now, which is when the benefits of "optionality" will become apparent, that's forever for a fan. We like in the here and now. Anything that happens more than 6 months from now is an eternity away.

Personally, I feel that history will be kinder to Brad when we do get to that time period. As for Bill, maybe not. Fans need someone to blame for the team's ills. Jaylen is gone, so now Bill's the guy 

Things change in the NBA so quickly. To say 2 years from now is garbage. There is no guarantee a great player comes available and  even wants to come to Boston.  Then what ?  Tatum is 2 years older and maybe he wants out. This is all just a private equity owner saving money. An analytics is the scape goat. Actions speak louder than words sir, we know what the actions are. So I guess there is no reason to watch the Celtics for 2 years until Bill and Brad make some fictitious optionality move that may not be available. Cool man. Great way to run a team. They call the Red Sox for tips ?