Presser take aways.

[ozgod]

Crap move, but whatever at this stage. If the fans start turning negative during games, it won't help anything. The best thing people can do is support the team and hope for the best, or at least give them a chance. Booing and being hostile at this stage would be completely counterproductive.

Especially with PG, it didn't go unnoticed that he waived his trade kicker. He must have wanted out of Philly, and that fan base had become pretty toxic. Replicating that here won't help anyone.

I'm expecting fans to boo the @#$% out of PG13...the fanbase will hate him. He's replacing a favorite son, everyone thinks he's a terrible return, his production these days, since he's a complementary player, more matches a $20-25m player than a $58m one, plus all his off court issues like the drugs and dumping Doc's daughter for a stripper who was his baby mama (who at least he married). I don't know if anyone could start off on the wronger foot in Boston 

It kind of reminds me of all the criticism Gordon Hayward got when he came back from his injury and was getting paid a max and everyone was criticizing him because he wasn't scoring "at the level we expect a max player to score", and was losing out to the likes of Mook and the Jays. I'm expecting much the same criticism when people see his production isn't matching that of Jaylen, advance stats be [dang]ed. That's much the same criticism that the Sixers had of him, when he was getting outscored by the likes of Maxey and VJ (who, it must be said, were trying to get paid and fill up the box score).

[Ilikesports17]

Crap move, but whatever at this stage. If the fans start turning negative during games, it won't help anything. The best thing people can do is support the team and hope for the best, or at least give them a chance. Booing and being hostile at this stage would be completely counterproductive.

Especially with PG, it didn't go unnoticed that he waived his trade kicker. He must have wanted out of Philly, and that fan base had become pretty toxic. Replicating that here won't help anyone.

I'm expecting fans to boo the @#$% out of PG13...the fanbase will hate him. He's replacing a favorite son, everyone thinks he's a terrible return, his production these days, since he's a complementary player, more matches a $20-25m player than a $58m one, plus all his off court issues like the drugs and dumping Doc's daughter for a stripper who was his baby mama (who at least he married). I don't know if anyone could start off on the wronger foot in Boston 

It kind of reminds me of all the criticism Gordon Hayward got when he came back from his injury and was getting paid a max and everyone was criticizing him because he wasn't scoring "at the level we expect a max player to score", and was losing out to the likes of Mook and the Jays. I'm expecting much the same criticism when people see his production isn't matching that of Jaylen, advance stats be [dang]ed. That's much the same criticism that the Sixers had of him, when he was getting outscored by the likes of Maxey and VJ (who, it must be said, were trying to get paid and fill up the box score).

That would be so stupid to boo Paul George.

[ozgod]

Crap move, but whatever at this stage. If the fans start turning negative during games, it won't help anything. The best thing people can do is support the team and hope for the best, or at least give them a chance. Booing and being hostile at this stage would be completely counterproductive.

Especially with PG, it didn't go unnoticed that he waived his trade kicker. He must have wanted out of Philly, and that fan base had become pretty toxic. Replicating that here won't help anyone.

I'm expecting fans to boo the @#$% out of PG13...the fanbase will hate him. He's replacing a favorite son, everyone thinks he's a terrible return, his production these days, since he's a complementary player, more matches a $20-25m player than a $58m one, plus all his off court issues like the drugs and dumping Doc's daughter for a stripper who was his baby mama (who at least he married). I don't know if anyone could start off on the wronger foot in Boston 

It kind of reminds me of all the criticism Gordon Hayward got when he came back from his injury and was getting paid a max and everyone was criticizing him because he wasn't scoring "at the level we expect a max player to score", and was losing out to the likes of Mook and the Jays. I'm expecting much the same criticism when people see his production isn't matching that of Jaylen, advance stats be [dang]ed. That's much the same criticism that the Sixers had of him, when he was getting outscored by the likes of Maxey and VJ (who, it must be said, were trying to get paid and fill up the box score).

That would be so stupid to boo Paul George.

Fans generally tend to be emotion based, not reason based 

[Jiri Welsch]

I would like to think the average Celtics fan has the critical thinking skills of at least a five year old and would not boo Paul George.

My takeaways:

* Chisholm was clearly reluctant to say they want to avoid the tax one more year. However, you could tell he was also itching to say that they are going to start spending again soon. Just feels like next year is not that year.

* Brad did not think our team looked like a contender the last two years in the playoffs. He wants the opportunity to re-tool for the future and make the most of Tatum and his prime years. Getting picks allows him to do that.

* Brad mentioned a couple young guys garnering larger contracts in the future and that he wants the chance to retain some. I imagine he is thinking of a couple specifically.

[tenn_smoothie]

OK fine. So to be competitive for championships the next 5 years, we could not sink most of our salary into two players and limit our ability to fill needs as we see them.

My concerns:
Still can't help but think we could have done better than Paul George and future picks for an All-NBA player.
If we are in reality shooting for '27-'28 to be a serious contender again and are picking our competitive seasons as the roster dictates, what is going to be done to protect Tatum's health during the "in-between" years, 'cause Joe doesn't have enough sense to manage that on his own.
We gained roster flexibility, but have the same playoff-incompetent coach who designed the offense that literally shot us out of the playoffs two years in a row.

[Who]

* Brad did not think our team looked like a contender the last two years in the playoffs. He wants the opportunity to re-tool for the future and make the most of Tatum and his prime years. Getting picks allows him to do that.

I get him thinking last year's team wasn't a contender but how in the world was the team two years ago not a contender?

[Celtics2021]

* Brad did not think our team looked like a contender the last two years in the playoffs. He wants the opportunity to re-tool for the future and make the most of Tatum and his prime years. Getting picks allows him to do that.

I get him thinking last year's team wasn't a contender but how in the world was the team two years ago not a contender?

They were so hurt entering the playoffs two years ago.  Jaylen had a torn meniscus, KP could barely stand up, Jrue had a shoulder injury and finger injury entering the playoffs, and then hurt his hamstring, etc.

[Celtics4ever]

I'm expecting fans to boo the @#$% out of PG13...the fanbase will hate him. He's replacing a favorite son, everyone thinks he's a terrible return, his production these days, since he's a complementary player, more matches a $20-25m player than a $58m one, plus all his off court issues like the drugs and dumping Doc's daughter for a stripper who was his baby mama (who at least he married). I don't know if anyone could start off on the wronger foot in Boston 

I hope not.  It is not like he did this trade, I think more onus will be on  Chisholm after his disingenuous press conference.   People are starting to see the pattern.  Boston fans are smart, they know not all these decisions are basketball based. 

[boscel33]

Listening to the talk about the cap under the new CBA was intriguing.  I wonder, has the NBA backed itself into a corner.  What are teams like SAS, OKC, PHI, and others going to do when these max contracts hit.

[Celtics2021]

Listening to the talk about the cap under the new CBA was intriguing.  I wonder, has the NBA backed itself into a corner.  What are teams like SAS, OKC, PHI, and others going to do when these max contracts hit.

It is what Adam Silver wanted.  He did not want another Golden State, and no team has even won its conference in consecutive years since 2018-2019.  The Celtics and Heat are the only two teams to have been to multiple finals in the last 7 seasons.  I do not think he feels he has backed anything into a corner.  Everything is right where he wants it to be.  OKC is way over the second apron this year, and is going to have lose a lot of players next summer, if they do not get rid of them sooner.  This is even after they dumped two rotation players this offseason.  Next year they are losing one of Williams or Holmgren, or else they are getting rid of/letting walk several other players (likely including all of Dort, Caruso, and Cason Wallace).

[KeepBigAl]

They try to spin it but it's obviously money. If Brown was making 40M a year, analytics and live streaming wouldn't be causing any fires.  This is how they sell it b/c they cant tell season ticket holders they are cheaper than previous owners. Optionality is just a silver lining of the clearly talent-reducing move of losing JB by of not paying him.

Reporters should have asked -

-Why were you willing to exceed 70% on two players while trading draft picks to get Giannis? Optionality be [dang]ed!

-Analytically speaking, how many games to you expect Paul George to play this season vs Jaylen Brown?

-They kind of alluded to this, but did you offer JB an extension of less than the 70M per year max? if so, was it flatly rejected or was there potential to negotiate there?

-After Chisholm said with a bold face, money is no object - Is this ownership willing to exceed caps and pay the luxury taxes to the extent previous owners did?  If ownership had made a cash deal instead (Pags) and was not debt financed with PE money, would less concerns about returning value to their investors result in more flexibility to sign/retain big contracts? Is there a benchmark profitability metric your find manages this investment toward for the upcoming fiscal years?

-For Bill, given the widespread negative reaction to this deal, do you expect to be booed when sitting courtside for games a TD Garden?

[LilRip]

Listening to the talk about the cap under the new CBA was intriguing.  I wonder, has the NBA backed itself into a corner.  What are teams like SAS, OKC, PHI, and others going to do when these max contracts hit.

That is kinda the point of the CBA though. As much as Sixer fans may be celebrating now, they will not be able to hold on to their team for long.

The real trend that needs to happen would be players not accepting max deals, and teams being more judicious in who they hand out max deals to. But that is not going to happen ever

[lbgreen33]

Listening to the talk about the cap under the new CBA was intriguing.  I wonder, has the NBA backed itself into a corner.  What are teams like SAS, OKC, PHI, and others going to do when these max contracts hit.

That is the exact question that I asked! Brad said the league doesn't care if you drafted the player! He was saying, give teams a credit for drafting a player, for whatever reason the league decided not to do that. So, Teams like the Sixers, Spurs, OKC will be as screwed as we are.
This will be a different league in the years to come. More about moving your monopoly pieces around the board than building a dynasty!

[Kernewek]

Listening to the talk about the cap under the new CBA was intriguing.  I wonder, has the NBA backed itself into a corner.  What are teams like SAS, OKC, PHI, and others going to do when these max contracts hit.

It is what Adam Silver wanted.  He did not want another Golden State, and no team has even won its conference in consecutive years since 2018-2019.  The Celtics and Heat are the only two teams to have been to multiple finals in the last 7 seasons.  I do not think he feels he has backed anything into a corner.  Everything is right where he wants it to be.  OKC is way over the second apron this year, and is going to have lose a lot of players next summer, if they do not get rid of them sooner.  This is even after they dumped two rotation players this offseason.  Next year they are losing one of Williams or Holmgren, or else they are getting rid of/letting walk several other players (likely including all of Dort, Caruso, and Cason Wallace).

Everyone's happy except for the players.

It's like the old Devo song - freedom from choice is what you want, freedom of choice is what you got. People think they want parity, but they don't like how parity looks now that it's here.

The problem is that the situation the governors are trying to avoid: Durant-to-the-Warriors, James-to-the-Heat, &c. makes it very difficult to avoid 'breaking up the band'.

[Celtics2021]

Listening to the talk about the cap under the new CBA was intriguing.  I wonder, has the NBA backed itself into a corner.  What are teams like SAS, OKC, PHI, and others going to do when these max contracts hit.

It is what Adam Silver wanted.  He did not want another Golden State, and no team has even won its conference in consecutive years since 2018-2019.  The Celtics and Heat are the only two teams to have been to multiple finals in the last 7 seasons.  I do not think he feels he has backed anything into a corner.  Everything is right where he wants it to be.  OKC is way over the second apron this year, and is going to have lose a lot of players next summer, if they do not get rid of them sooner.  This is even after they dumped two rotation players this offseason.  Next year they are losing one of Williams or Holmgren, or else they are getting rid of/letting walk several other players (likely including all of Dort, Caruso, and Cason Wallace).

Everyone's happy except for the players.

It's like the old Devo song - freedom from choice is what you want, freedom of choice is what you got. People think they want parity, but they don't like how parity looks now that it's here.

The problem is that the situation the governors are trying to avoid: Durant-to-the-Warriors, James-to-the-Heat, &c. makes it very difficult to avoid 'breaking up the band'.

I think the long-term goal is to create pressure on players to take less money to keep the band together, rather than on ownership  to pay more to do so.