Jaylen Traded to PHI for PG, 2 First Round Picks & 2 Second Round Picks

[A Future of Stevens]

PG is a two year experiment where they probably dump him after he opts in for his last year.

Yeah, that is how I see it. This is a 1 year period with PG13 and then he becomes an expiring contract. Then Brad will look to trade his expiring deal + the picks + BOS future picks to net a superstar back in return.

So next summer (12 months time) or the 2028 trade deadline (18 months time), Brad makes his move to put BOS back into title contention and sets BOS up to stay there for the remainder of Tatum's best years.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, that's interesting. What kind of return could Paul George bring back from a trade during his expiring year ?

Although, can't George make his final year a moot point by opting out and becoming a free agent, which would result in us losing him with zero return ?

I?m curious about this as well. I know an expiring contract makes it tradable, but not sure that teams give up big talent for it. Interested to know what others think. As to opting out, it would be a miracle. That would be PG leaving 10s of millions of dollars (maybe 50) on the table as no chance he?d get anything close as a FA.

I get what you are saying. I don't view it as returning big talent, but a large expiring contract like that doesn't carry the negative value it does as if it had a year or two left on it. So theoretically, we would have a 56 million contract to bundle with our other assets to get that superstar.

[CFAN38]

Taking a break from the Celtics after this post....


Brad Stevens is paid a lot of money to manage this roster, he up until this off-season has done a wonderful job. Foresight and projection are a large part of the job. Projecting future prospect development, projecting future drafts, projecting player salary, projecting teams cap, and projecting other teams future moves. While Brown's trade may very well prove to be a projection into the future (2028 draft, future FAs, and Brown's future extension) it is a failure to project that has brought this terrible trade return.

If Brown's future extension was a big enough worry to require this trade than he should have been moved last off-season. Would ATL have traded Brown for Alexander-Walker and the 2026 Pelicans pick that ended up being #8? Prior to his amazing Rookie season would the Hornets have traded Kon Knueppel and picks for Brown? Hindsight is 20/20 but when you are paid 10+million per season to predict the NBA future I expect better..

[jambr380]

How did Brad not even manage to get the 2028 pick outright and why isn't this being reported as likely one 1st instead of two?

The only way we get two picks in 2028 is if they are both bad picks. We can't even trade a 2028 pick now because we still owe a 2029 pick to Portland. So it's very likely we just traded Brown for one 1st round pick and a horrible contract

[Vermont Green]

Like everyone, I was stunned when I heard this.  It is everything I didn't want in a trade.  The team is not better today, the team is worse.  I don't see any silver linings here.  Paul George is not as good as Jaylen Brown and the difference will only get worse over the next couple of seasons.

That said, I thought that Paul George played very well in the series vs BOS.  Not as good as Brown, but better than I was expecting.  He hit some big shots.

There is still some possibility to flip these draft picks in the near term to bring in additional players and get the team back to where it was with Brown.  PGeorge + some additional players being equal to or greater than Brown.  I am not optimistic on this front.  People seem to think Trey Murphy is available.  We still have the TPE.  We can trade Hauser to free up some space.  But we are hard-capped at the first apron.

The reporting is that Brown did not request a trade, that he wanted to stay in BOS (with a supermax extension I assume).  That this is all BOS (per Shams).  I don't know.  It is hard to believe that a GM who has been as good as Stevens has been, would make this trade unless pressured to do so.  If Brown is not the one forcing this, then it must be ownership.  I don't know.  It all just seems so wrong.

[Vermont Green]

And what exactly is the deal with the 2028 first?

2028 First-Round Pick: An unprotected first-rounder from the 76ers, with a stipulation that it can convert into a pick swap if it becomes more favorable to the Celtics

How could a pick swap ever be more favorable to BOS than simply getting the pick from PHI and keeping the one BOS already has?  I don't see how it could be more favorable to do a swap.

[Birdman]

Will they retire Brown #7???

[Birdman]

As we all know this was basically a future move by not extending Brown at 70 a year plus White will be gone after 3 years , so will George in 2..gotta have plenty of cash to spend

[RodyTur10]

An interesting article (don't know whether it was posted yet):

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/did-the-celtics-give-away-jaylen-brown-why-analytics-dont-see-phillys-new-star-as-elite-of-elite-004011270.html

[mef730]

As we all know this was basically a future move by not extending Brown at 70 a year plus White will be gone after 3 years , so will George in 2..gotta have plenty of cash to spend

Might not be too far from the truth, but this article suggests that they are not going to be spending that money on free agents:

https://www.hitc.com/boston-celtics-may-have-traded-jaylen-brown-due-to-a-unique-concern-from-new-owner/

Mike

[gift]

And what exactly is the deal with the 2028 first?

2028 First-Round Pick: An unprotected first-rounder from the 76ers, with a stipulation that it can convert into a pick swap if it becomes more favorable to the Celtics

How could a pick swap ever be for favorable to BOS than simply getting the pick from PHI and keeping the one BOS already has?  I don't see how it could be more favorable to do a swap.

I believe it's because if the PHI pick is outside of the top 8, then the Celtics would automatically get the Clippers pick if it's better than the PHI pick. Current trajectories would fairly project the Clippers to have a higher pick in 2028 and Philly to not be a bottom 8. So in that case the swap would be preferable to straight up getting Philly's pick. Things don't always go according to plan though.

[A Future of Stevens]

And what exactly is the deal with the 2028 first?

2028 First-Round Pick: An unprotected first-rounder from the 76ers, with a stipulation that it can convert into a pick swap if it becomes more favorable to the Celtics

How could a pick swap ever be more favorable to BOS than simply getting the pick from PHI and keeping the one BOS already has?  I don't see how it could be more favorable to do a swap.

It is the highest pick available between Philly, and the Clippers in 2028 in basic terms. We owe OUR first to SAS (top 1 protected) and we get Philly's first if it is 1-8. If it is not 1-8, we get the Clippers position wherever it falls.

And with the Clippers holding a firesale yesterday, we will most likely get a lottery pick from the Clippers.

[Vermont Green]

Will they retire Brown #7???

The finals MVP award started in 1969.  There have been 6 Celtics to win this.  Bird twice.  There was some controversy over the jersey for Max but his went up.  I would say that Brown's will go up.

John Havlicek         (1974)
Jo Jo White             (1976)
Cedric Maxwell       (1981)
Larry Bird              (1984, 1986)
Paul Pierce             (2008)
Jaylen Brown         (2024)

[Vermont Green]

And what exactly is the deal with the 2028 first?

2028 First-Round Pick: An unprotected first-rounder from the 76ers, with a stipulation that it can convert into a pick swap if it becomes more favorable to the Celtics

How could a pick swap ever be more favorable to BOS than simply getting the pick from PHI and keeping the one BOS already has?  I don't see how it could be more favorable to do a swap.

It is the highest pick available between Philly, and the Clippers in 2028 in basic terms. We owe OUR first to SAS (top 1 protected) and we get Philly's first if it is 1-8. If it is not 1-8, we get the Clippers position wherever it falls.

And with the Clippers holding a firesale yesterday, we will most likely get a lottery pick from the Clippers.

Thanks, good breakdown.  But under what scenario could this become a swap?  Is there any scenario where BOS only gets 1 first round pick out of this and not 2?  That 2028 becomes a swap (net 0 picks)?

[jambr380]

Will they retire Brown #7???

The finals MVP award started in 1969.  There have been 6 Celtics to win this.  Bird twice.  There was some controversy over the jersey for Max but his went up.  I would say that Brown's will go up.

John Havlicek         (1974)
Jo Jo White             (1976)
Cedric Maxwell       (1981)
Larry Bird              (1984, 1986)
Paul Pierce             (2008)
Jaylen Brown         (2024)

The Celtics have a weirdly disproportionate number of controversial FMVPs. Max over Bird, Pierce over KG, and especially Brown over Tatum.

So often the award just goes to the best player on the team if they play reasonably well, but I think the media got it wrong in all 3 cases. OG was pretty far ahead of Brunson after 4 games, but there was no doubt who they were giving it to. It's just strange how media narratives can crush player legacies.

[jpotter33]

And what exactly is the deal with the 2028 first?

2028 First-Round Pick: An unprotected first-rounder from the 76ers, with a stipulation that it can convert into a pick swap if it becomes more favorable to the Celtics

How could a pick swap ever be more favorable to BOS than simply getting the pick from PHI and keeping the one BOS already has?  I don't see how it could be more favorable to do a swap.

It is the highest pick available between Philly, and the Clippers in 2028 in basic terms. We owe OUR first to SAS (top 1 protected) and we get Philly's first if it is 1-8. If it is not 1-8, we get the Clippers position wherever it falls.

And with the Clippers holding a firesale yesterday, we will most likely get a lottery pick from the Clippers.

Thanks, good breakdown.  But under what scenario could this become a swap?  Is there any scenario where BOS only gets 1 first round pick out of this and not 2?  That 2028 becomes a swap (net 0 picks)?

Per Brian Robb, that was misinformation. We?ll get a second pick regardless. It?s just unknown at this time what combination of picks from the four teams it?ll be given swaps and prior deals - Boston, Philly, LAC, SAS.

And AFOS - 2028 is a swap with SAS not us giving it to them fully.