Danny vs. Brad trading approach

[Roy H.]

I'm curious if people think we'd reach a different outcome if Danny was still in charge of the front office.

I think a couple of the criticisms of Danny were that 1) he developed attachments to certain players and wouldn't trade them (Smart, JB), and that he 2) refused to "lose" trades, or even break even.  Danny wanted the homerun.  I'm not sure that the first criticism was fair (he traded Perk and IT), but the second one probably is.

We've seen with Brad that there's no sentimentality at all; Marcus and Timelord were traded, and now JB is being shopped.

Brad has also been more willing to pat the price to land the guys he has wanted.  There's an argument that at some level he paid a heavy price for white and Jrue, but those trades worked out fantastically.

Brad hasn't had to trade a superstar yet.  Danny missed his first shot with Antoine to some extent, but in Utah he's made some wild blockbusters, including trading Gobert for Walker Kessler and four #1s and a further right to swap, and moving Mitchell for Markannen ,Sexton, three #1s and two rights to swap.

I get the sense that Danny would refuse to trade Brown unless his price was met, whereas I think Brad is going to take the best deal offered, even if that's less than he thinks JB is worth.

I would prefer the Danny approach here, because the options there are either get a boatload of compensation, or keep JB.  I'm fine with that.  I worry that Brad is going to accept a deal below full value, and that would leave us both in the short and long term worse than if we had just repaired the relationship.

[Vermont Green]

I'm curious if people think we'd reach a different outcome if Danny was still in charge of the front office.

I think a couple of the criticisms of Danny were that 1) he developed attachments to certain players and wouldn't trade them (Smart, JB), and that he 2) refused to "lose" trades, or even break even.  Danny wanted the homerun.  I'm not sure that the first criticism was fair (he traded Perk and IT), but the second one probably is.

We've seen with Brad that there's no sentimentality at all; Marcus and Timelord were traded, and now JB is being shopped.

Brad has also been more willing to pat the price to land the guys he has wanted.  There's an argument that at some level he paid a heavy price for white and Jrue, but those trades worked out fantastically.

Brad hasn't had to trade a superstar yet.  Danny missed his first shot with Antoine to some extent, but in Utah he's made some wild blockbusters, including trading Gobert for Walker Kessler and four #1s and a further right to swap, and moving Mitchell for Markannen ,Sexton, three #1s and two rights to swap.

I get the sense that Danny would refuse to trade Brown unless his price was met, whereas I think Brad is going to take the best deal offered, even if that's less than he thinks JB is worth.

I would prefer the Danny approach here, because the options there are either get a boatload of compensation, or keep JB.  I'm fine with that.  I worry that Brad is going to accept a deal below full value, and that would leave us both in the short and long term worse than if we had just repaired the relationship.

I think the bolded part is the key.  And I am not sure what "boatload" means but whatever it is, I feel the team should be better for the trade this season, not worse, or just keep Brown.  That can include subsequent trades, it does not need to all get done in one trade, but by the start of the season, if the team isn't better than it would have been by keeping Brown, then to me, it was a bad trade.  I guess I could extend that some if additional trades are done during the season but the net needs to be a better team this season.  A first round pick in 2030 or whatever does not make the team better.

[Celtics4ever]

I do think Danny drove a harder bargain, I would also point out he had a different owner group who would spin deep in the tax, something we have no seen with Chisholm for whatever reason.  It was also a different collective bargaining period.

I do think Brad had a finite limit he opposed on the Giannis trade to only spend so much.    There is so much going on that we do not have all the information.  We don't know how the meetings with Brown went.    I am not sure they are GMs out there to lining up helping us.  Everyone of them will drive a hard bargain and who knows what intel they have on Brown.  Brown's value is at it's peak after last season.

The more this goes on, the less leverage we have over the situation.   The could all be ended with a press statement, we are not trading Brown.   However, that is not happening.

[Neurotic Guy]

I do think Danny drove a harder bargain, I would also point out he had a different owner group who would spin deep in the tax, something we have no seen with Chisholm for whatever reason.  It was also a different collective bargaining period.

I do think Brad had a finite limit he opposed on the Giannis trade to only spend so much.    There is so much going on that we do not have all the information.  We don't know how the meetings with Brown went.    I am not sure they are GMs out there to lining up helping us.  Everyone of them will drive a hard bargain and who knows what intel they have on Brown.  Brown's value is at it's peak after last season.

The more this goes on, the less leverage we have over the situation.   The could all be ended with a press statement, we are not trading Brown.   However, that is not happening.

My favorite Red quote: after drafting Bird a year early Red said facing some criticism, he said "Do you know how short a time a year is?"  If Brad trades JB for an obvious step back in 26-27, I want to know his plan for contending within 2 years. Patience is fine if there is a legit light at the end.

[Roy H.]

I do think Danny drove a harder bargain, I would also point out he had a different owner group who would spin deep in the tax, something we have no seen with Chisholm for whatever reason.  It was also a different collective bargaining period.

I think it's the CBA moreso than the willingness of ownership.  During Danny's tenure, the team went over the tax nine times, but only spent a total of $52 million.  The Celtics tax payment in 2023 alone was $63 million.  Last year without any changes it would have been over $300 million, if I'm remembering correctly.

... The could all be ended with a press statement, we are not trading Brown.   However, that is not happening.

I wish that were the case.  I guess we'll see what we end up with; if it's a haul like the Gobert or Mitchell trades i won't be all that unhappy.

[Who]

What Danny would do that I am not sure Brad Stevens would do is tell Jaylen "no".

If Jaylen asked for a trade, or wants out, Danny would be comfortable and confident enough to tell "it's not happening, you're staying".

Mitch Kupchack did a great job doing that with Kobe Bryant back in 2007 (or around then) when Kobe demanded a trade. They looked at the market. Found no suitable offers. Then went back to Kobe and said it was not happening. You're staying.

A lot of GMs (the large majority of them) do not have the balls to do that / say that to star players. Danny Ainge did. It is unclear whether Brad Stevens does or does not. Well we are about to find out. And if Jaylen is traded, the trade package will tell us a lot about whether Stevens was willing to say "no" to Jaylen or not.