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Re: Time for a change?
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Brad's comments seem a bit interesting.

Yeah it is still happening. Lotta interesting comments including stuff with the new CBA, and also he said they will try to add size this off-season and maybe another player with speed (guard or wing). The size comment though implied he could look at multiple additions not just one

Multiple additions tracks with the roster.  We have 15 players, but several non-guaranteed.  It seems unlikely Banton and Shulga will be on the 15-man next year, and I certainly would not write Williams name in pen, so there are openings as well as financial room.

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Brad looks so uncomfortable answering questions following the draft. Yeesh.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HSinq64xBtI&ra=m

Yep, that's about the most combative I've ever seen Brad.
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Brad is talking to the media. Will not go into details on the Giannis stuff, which to be fair is usually his M.O. even in the past he does not disclose this stuff on Draft times.

He also said Jaylen is a big part of this team going forward and he has conversations with him throughout.

The fact that Jaylen was not traded tonight signals to me he is staying. I mean, would they trade him for just role players and picks NEXT year? No thanks. The rumors were they would get back players as well as some picks in this first round but now it is over. Jaylen is staying

Brad was noncommittal on weather Brown would be here this season. I?ve never seen him that anxious during an interview.
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Colin Cowherd said that the Celtics are fading fast and that they no longer feel elite


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The biggest thing will be if Brad has had conversations with Brown and both want to go separate ways but Brad cannot find a good enough deal to move Brown.

I think the demand for Brown is nowhere near what these media talking heads have said. And Brad cannot just trade him for spare parts.

In the end it just might be each side realizes the situation and the best path for both is just staying together.

That May meeting with Brown signaled from JB that he was ok with being traded and probably wanted to be. None of this has been a surprise to him. I

I think Brad felt he could get Giannis but that fell through and now he looks a bit anxious because he cannot find a deal.

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Brad is talking to the media. Will not go into details on the Giannis stuff, which to be fair is usually his M.O. even in the past he does not disclose this stuff on Draft times.

He also said Jaylen is a big part of this team going forward and he has conversations with him throughout.

The fact that Jaylen was not traded tonight signals to me he is staying. I mean, would they trade him for just role players and picks NEXT year? No thanks. The rumors were they would get back players as well as some picks in this first round but now it is over. Jaylen is staying

Brad was noncommittal on weather Brown would be here this season. I?ve never seen him that anxious during an interview.

Yeah, I think people who definitely want to keep Jaylen saw one thing, and those who are okay moving on saw another. I don't think this was particularly reassuring.

Was asked: "Is Jaylen Brown going to be on this team at the beginning of next season?"

Answered: "Jaylen Brown is a big part of us. I'm never going to predict the future but everything I think about over the past few years has been building around those guys"

Goes on to say basically you never know how things play out but Brown's always been highly valued.


I get that he speaks highly of Brown here, but 'never going to predict the future,' and all the past tense stuff isn't wonderful for his prospects. We just lost out on Giannis yesterday, which then immediately led into the draft. I am still pretty disappointed about Giannis and not sure what the best path is moving forward, but we are far from being out of the woods on this one. Still lots of time to make a deal. We were never getting a top 4 pick in this draft anyway.


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Colin Cowherd said that the Celtics are fading fast and that they no longer feel elite

Ah, Colin Cowherd, patron saint of hot takes.

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Brad is talking to the media. Will not go into details on the Giannis stuff, which to be fair is usually his M.O. even in the past he does not disclose this stuff on Draft times.

He also said Jaylen is a big part of this team going forward and he has conversations with him throughout.

The fact that Jaylen was not traded tonight signals to me he is staying. I mean, would they trade him for just role players and picks NEXT year? No thanks. The rumors were they would get back players as well as some picks in this first round but now it is over. Jaylen is staying

Brad was noncommittal on weather Brown would be here this season. I?ve never seen him that anxious during an interview.

Yeah, I think people who definitely want to keep Jaylen saw one thing, and those who are okay moving on saw another. I don't think this was particularly reassuring.

Was asked: "Is Jaylen Brown going to be on this team at the beginning of next season?"

Answered: "Jaylen Brown is a big part of us. I'm never going to predict the future but everything I think about over the past few years has been building around those guys"

Goes on to say basically you never know how things play out but Brown's always been highly valued.


I get that he speaks highly of Brown here, but 'never going to predict the future,' and all the past tense stuff isn't wonderful for his prospects. We just lost out on Giannis yesterday, which then immediately led into the draft. I am still pretty disappointed about Giannis and not sure what the best path is moving forward, but we are far from being out of the woods on this one. Still lots of time to make a deal. We were never getting a top 4 pick in this draft anyway.

Exactly. He was very careful with how he phrased everything and left the door open. Brad could have shut down the trade speculation, but he didn?t.
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So assuming Cenac signs for the standard 120% of draft slot (about 3.0 million year one), the Celtics will have 15 guys under contract and right around 10 million below the tax. They will have 6 guys on non-guaranteed club options for next year including Queta, Walsh, Banton, Shulga, Harper and Amari Williams.

They could get to full MLE space (15.0 million) and stay below the tax by moving off two of those guys. I imagine Williams and Shulga would be candidates to return on 2-ways if they were cut. I'd also expect to whomever they raft at 40 (if they keep the pick) to get a two-way. John Tonje whom they acquired last year could also return on a two-way.

Trading #40 for future second(s) would not surprise me, Boston is out 2nd rounders in 2027-2030.

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Brad is talking to the media. Will not go into details on the Giannis stuff, which to be fair is usually his M.O. even in the past he does not disclose this stuff on Draft times.

He also said Jaylen is a big part of this team going forward and he has conversations with him throughout.

The fact that Jaylen was not traded tonight signals to me he is staying. I mean, would they trade him for just role players and picks NEXT year? No thanks. The rumors were they would get back players as well as some picks in this first round but now it is over. Jaylen is staying

Brad was noncommittal on weather Brown would be here this season. I?ve never seen him that anxious during an interview.

Yeah, I think people who definitely want to keep Jaylen saw one thing, and those who are okay moving on saw another. I don't think this was particularly reassuring.

Was asked: "Is Jaylen Brown going to be on this team at the beginning of next season?"

Answered: "Jaylen Brown is a big part of us. I'm never going to predict the future but everything I think about over the past few years has been building around those guys"

Goes on to say basically you never know how things play out but Brown's always been highly valued.


I get that he speaks highly of Brown here, but 'never going to predict the future,' and all the past tense stuff isn't wonderful for his prospects. We just lost out on Giannis yesterday, which then immediately led into the draft. I am still pretty disappointed about Giannis and not sure what the best path is moving forward, but we are far from being out of the woods on this one. Still lots of time to make a deal. We were never getting a top 4 pick in this draft anyway.

Exactly. He was very careful with how he phrased everything and left the door open. Brad could have shut down the trade speculation, but he didn?t.

 He also didn't exactly make it seem like they were in a hurry to move on from Brown either. Whatever is going on behind the scenes it certainly doesn't feel like they HAVE TO move him.

I don't feel much differently after hearing Brad than I did before. I think they'll listen, I would lean (60-40) towards him being back next year.

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He also didn't exactly make it seem like they were in a hurry to move on from Brown either. Whatever is going on behind the scenes it certainly doesn't feel like they HAVE TO move him.

I don't feel much differently after hearing Brad than I did before. I think they'll listen, I would lean (60-40) towards him being back next year.

For sure, I don't think you can take too much away from this, but the fact that Brad didn't clearly state we were definitely going to build around Brown and Tatum leaves the door open.

I do think Brad understands that even though Brown's value isn't necessarily as high as he hoped it would be (Giannis), there is not going to be no better time to trade him than now. 3 years left on his contract, top 6 MVP, still 29. Each season after this - especially with him back as Tatum's sidekick - will continue to deplete his value.

I can't imagine Brad is excited to offer Brown a 2yr/$142M extension when there are already questions about our team structure and ceiling after two years of very disappointing playoff finishes. If he doesn't offer that extension, then the clock is ticking on when he'll be traded, not if.

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Brad is talking to the media. Will not go into details on the Giannis stuff, which to be fair is usually his M.O. even in the past he does not disclose this stuff on Draft times.

He also said Jaylen is a big part of this team going forward and he has conversations with him throughout.

The fact that Jaylen was not traded tonight signals to me he is staying. I mean, would they trade him for just role players and picks NEXT year? No thanks. The rumors were they would get back players as well as some picks in this first round but now it is over. Jaylen is staying

Brad was noncommittal on weather Brown would be here this season. I?ve never seen him that anxious during an interview.

Yeah, I think people who definitely want to keep Jaylen saw one thing, and those who are okay moving on saw another. I don't think this was particularly reassuring.

Was asked: "Is Jaylen Brown going to be on this team at the beginning of next season?"

Answered: "Jaylen Brown is a big part of us. I'm never going to predict the future but everything I think about over the past few years has been building around those guys"

Goes on to say basically you never know how things play out but Brown's always been highly valued.


I get that he speaks highly of Brown here, but 'never going to predict the future,' and all the past tense stuff isn't wonderful for his prospects. We just lost out on Giannis yesterday, which then immediately led into the draft. I am still pretty disappointed about Giannis and not sure what the best path is moving forward, but we are far from being out of the woods on this one. Still lots of time to make a deal. We were never getting a top 4 pick in this draft anyway.

Exactly. He was very careful with how he phrased everything and left the door open. Brad could have shut down the trade speculation, but he didn?t.

 He also didn't exactly make it seem like they were in a hurry to move on from Brown either. Whatever is going on behind the scenes it certainly doesn't feel like they HAVE TO move him.

I don't feel much differently after hearing Brad than I did before. I think they'll listen, I would lean (60-40) towards him being back next year.
I'm leaning 100/0 Brown is back next year

Stevens has allowed Brown to be a part of several possible trades over the years, each and every time, it has been for a superstar. Kawhi, Durant, Giannis, etc.

Each time Jaylen has returned and come back a better overall player. EACH TIME.

Brown was being traded for a better player this off season or he was returning. It's really that simple. Everything else is just white noise

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Brad is talking to the media. Will not go into details on the Giannis stuff, which to be fair is usually his M.O. even in the past he does not disclose this stuff on Draft times.

He also said Jaylen is a big part of this team going forward and he has conversations with him throughout.

The fact that Jaylen was not traded tonight signals to me he is staying. I mean, would they trade him for just role players and picks NEXT year? No thanks. The rumors were they would get back players as well as some picks in this first round but now it is over. Jaylen is staying

Brad was noncommittal on weather Brown would be here this season. I?ve never seen him that anxious during an interview.

Yeah, I think people who definitely want to keep Jaylen saw one thing, and those who are okay moving on saw another. I don't think this was particularly reassuring.

Was asked: "Is Jaylen Brown going to be on this team at the beginning of next season?"

Answered: "Jaylen Brown is a big part of us. I'm never going to predict the future but everything I think about over the past few years has been building around those guys"

Goes on to say basically you never know how things play out but Brown's always been highly valued.


I get that he speaks highly of Brown here, but 'never going to predict the future,' and all the past tense stuff isn't wonderful for his prospects. We just lost out on Giannis yesterday, which then immediately led into the draft. I am still pretty disappointed about Giannis and not sure what the best path is moving forward, but we are far from being out of the woods on this one. Still lots of time to make a deal. We were never getting a top 4 pick in this draft anyway.

Exactly. He was very careful with how he phrased everything and left the door open. Brad could have shut down the trade speculation, but he didn?t.

 He also didn't exactly make it seem like they were in a hurry to move on from Brown either. Whatever is going on behind the scenes it certainly doesn't feel like they HAVE TO move him.

I don't feel much differently after hearing Brad than I did before. I think they'll listen, I would lean (60-40) towards him being back next year.

Sure, but Brad would never give off that impression. Nor would any other GM regarding a star player that they were looking to move.
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Brad looks so uncomfortable answering questions following the draft. Yeesh.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HSinq64xBtI&ra=m

Yep, that's about the most combative I've ever seen Brad.
Yes, Brad looked like he might Throw Up!! Look, people are going to hear and see what they want, but to me Brad was acknowledging that this is not a good feel for Brown. When asked if Brown still may be moved he said this is our team. As a sports cameraman, I shot a lot of this kind of stuff and to me, Brad was evading answering anything to do with whether or not he will trade Brown. That is what he is supposed to do! If you say this duo is not going to work anymore, you open the wrong kind of bidding war! One out of Desperation. I will be okay, no matter what happens going forward. Love the Celtics and 2026 was a lot more fun than I thought it would be. Brad is a pretty smart guy, Cautious sometimes to a Fault, but a smart basketball guy. I will just sit back and to enjoy the ride.