Time for a change?

[Goldstar88]

If Giannis main reason for wanting to be traded is that he is looking to win another championship, how can he believe that is possible in Miami. Pairing himself with Bam is not good enough and the Heat would be gutting their team to get him.

A Miami starting 5 of: Mitchell, Powell, Wiggins, Giannis, Bam isn?t winning anything.

A Boston starting 5 of: Pritchard, White, Hauser, Tatum, Giannis is a contender.

It's not, but it also depends what team is actually making a competitive offer. For example, if Boston isn't including Jaylen and the Cavs aren't including Mobley, who else has an offer that's better than Miami's? Miami's offer can easily be outbid but there has to be teams willing to make them. Maybe Portland and others can, but the hurdle there is it seems Giannis is only open to signing an extension with Miami and Boston, based on reports. In that case, POR also wouldn't give up a ton for potentially a rental.

So what is the main reason for wanting a trade? I get there may be some ancillary reasons, but I thought winning another championship was the main motivation.  As you mentioned, if Giannis isn?t open to an extension with say Portland, they are not going to give up much for him. Feel like Giannis has all the leverage in terms of where he ends up. If he chooses Miami he is a fraud. They could not even make the playoffs!

[Who]

I'm kind of with Moranis though, the reporting on this has been sus considering the C's are usually tight-lipped. A lot of the recent reporting has come from Miami's side it seems. Makes me wonder too if maybe they truly are just trying to drive up the price, or they might have interest in being involved as a 3rd team where they don't get Giannis, but other assets/players?

Which they should be doing. Bobby Portis would be an interesting backup forward. Myles Turner an interesting starting center with Queta staying as his backup. Ryan Rollins could be an interesting defensive guard for the team as either a starter or reserve.

[Moranis]

I'm kind of with Moranis though, the reporting on this has been sus considering the C's are usually tight-lipped. A lot of the recent reporting has come from Miami's side it seems. Makes me wonder too if maybe they truly are just trying to drive up the price, or they might have interest in being involved as a 3rd team where they don't get Giannis, but other assets/players?

Which they should be doing. Bobby Portis would be an interesting backup forward. Myles Turner an interesting starting center with Queta staying as his backup. Ryan Rollins could be an interesting defensive guard for the team as either a starter or reserve.

They aren't trading Rollins. They love him and believe he is their future. 

[Phantom255x]

If Giannis main reason for wanting to be traded is that he is looking to win another championship, how can he believe that is possible in Miami. Pairing himself with Bam is not good enough and the Heat would be gutting their team to get him.

A Miami starting 5 of: Mitchell, Powell, Wiggins, Giannis, Bam isn?t winning anything.

A Boston starting 5 of: Pritchard, White, Hauser, Tatum, Giannis is a contender.

It's not, but it also depends what team is actually making a competitive offer. For example, if Boston isn't including Jaylen and the Cavs aren't including Mobley, who else has an offer that's better than Miami's? Miami's offer can easily be outbid but there has to be teams willing to make them. Maybe Portland and others can, but the hurdle there is it seems Giannis is only open to signing an extension with Miami and Boston, based on reports. In that case, POR also wouldn't give up a ton for potentially a rental.

So what is the main reason for wanting a trade? I get there may be some ancillary reasons, but I thought winning another championship was the main motivation.  As you mentioned, if Giannis isn?t open to an extension with say Portland, they are not going to give up much for him. Feel like Giannis has all the leverage in terms of what he ends up. If he chooses Miami he is a fraud. They could not even make the playoffs!

It's weird lol. I wonder if Giannis thought the Knicks were a real possibility but now they aren't. If Boston or Cleveland don't swoop in, he has to decide if Portland or Miami is the best shot to win a championship and other logistics. In that instance, it's gotta be Miami. OR he just chooses to remain with Milwaukee but at that point the bridge has to be burned.

[Who]

I'm kind of with Moranis though, the reporting on this has been sus considering the C's are usually tight-lipped. A lot of the recent reporting has come from Miami's side it seems. Makes me wonder too if maybe they truly are just trying to drive up the price, or they might have interest in being involved as a 3rd team where they don't get Giannis, but other assets/players?

Which they should be doing. Bobby Portis would be an interesting backup forward. Myles Turner an interesting starting center with Queta staying as his backup. Ryan Rollins could be an interesting defensive guard for the team as either a starter or reserve.

They aren't trading Rollins. They love him and believe he is their future.

They don't view him as a role player?

They think he has star potential?

[celticinorlando]

If boston does not trade Brown for giannis, this will be very hard for the bridge to be repaired between them.

Brown knows his name is being floated all over. He still is p---ed about the KD stuff 4 years ago. My fear is he will be an absolute poison pill if he has to stay in Boston.

Maybe Brad has other deals lined up for JB...I just can't see them being able to smooth things over this time.

And I agree...the Heat roster is not very good that Giannis wouild go to. Bam is so overvalued by Miami and their fans. Good player but he is not leading anyone to a title. Powell is a UFA. Wiggins is ok. Mitchell stinks.

Then look at their bench. Absolutely no one on it.

[Phantom255x]

If boston does not trade Brown for giannis, this will be very hard for the bridge to be repaired between them.

Brown knows his name is being floated all over. He still is p---ed about the KD stuff 4 years ago. My fear is he will be an absolute poison pill if he has to stay in Boston.

Maybe Brad has other deals lined up for JB...I just can't see them being able to smooth things over this time.

Another thing to consider is, Jaylen is extension eligible. If the C's offer it to him (2/142M), Jaylen will 1000% take it and stay here even if he's upset. So we need to also see what happens on that front.

[celticinorlando]

If boston does not trade Brown for giannis, this will be very hard for the bridge to be repaired between them.

Brown knows his name is being floated all over. He still is p---ed about the KD stuff 4 years ago. My fear is he will be an absolute poison pill if he has to stay in Boston.

Maybe Brad has other deals lined up for JB...I just can't see them being able to smooth things over this time.

Another thing to consider is, Jaylen is extension eligible. If the C's offer it to him (2/142M), Jaylen will 1000% take it and stay here even if he's upset. So we need to also see what happens on that front.

That is my biggest issue. Having to pay Brown $70 mill a season is a ton. Esp. for a guy that usually does not play great in the playoffs.

[Goldstar88]

If boston does not trade Brown for giannis, this will be very hard for the bridge to be repaired between them.

Brown knows his name is being floated all over. He still is p---ed about the KD stuff 4 years ago. My fear is he will be an absolute poison pill if he has to stay in Boston.

Maybe Brad has other deals lined up for JB...I just can't see them being able to smooth things over this time.

And I agree...the Heat roster is not very good that Giannis wouild go to. Bam is so overvalued by Miami and their fans. Good player but he is not leading anyone to a title. Powell is a UFA. Wiggins is ok. Mitchell stinks.

Then look at their bench. Absolutely no one on it.

I was thinking about this as well. Should be interesting..

[SparzWizard]

If boston does not trade Brown for giannis, this will be very hard for the bridge to be repaired between them.

Brown knows his name is being floated all over. He still is p---ed about the KD stuff 4 years ago. My fear is he will be an absolute poison pill if he has to stay in Boston.

Maybe Brad has other deals lined up for JB...I just can't see them being able to smooth things over this time.

And I agree...the Heat roster is not very good that Giannis wouild go to. Bam is so overvalued by Miami and their fans. Good player but he is not leading anyone to a title. Powell is a UFA. Wiggins is ok. Mitchell stinks.

Then look at their bench. Absolutely no one on it.

I don't wanna overpay for a bum who can never play well in the playoffs (Jaylen Brown). Also, Brown should understand that NBA is a business at the end of the day. So should Tatum.

We split Isaiah Thomas up. We split Smart up. We split Timelord, Horford etc up. We are willing to break up Brown from Tatum. Besides, it sounds like Brown wants to be the true alpha on this team and throwing a diss on Tatum based on his comments immediately after his Game 7 loss. But to me, he doesn't seem like a viable leader here.

[Phantom255x]

Jaylen has 3/183M left on his contract. The 2/142M extension would ultimately make it 5/325M.

Giannis has 2/120M left, and his upcoming extension could be 4/275M. So 6/395M in total.

They might also be looking at that and weighing their options. FWIW, I still think regardless whether it's Brown or Giannis, they will try to reset the repeater tax and then go all out again after 2027 similar to how they got KP-Jrue in 2024. White may not be part of it, or he could and they could just try to land one legit player to pair with Tatum-Giannis-White and go the second apron route again as a "last hurrah" of sorts.

[slightly biased bias fan]

Walker Kessler is reportedly frustrated with the Jazz front office after not receiving an extension offer last summer and over how his upcoming restricted free agency is being handled.

Sam Amick

Perhaps the Celtics could work out a sign & trade.

[Moranis]

I'm kind of with Moranis though, the reporting on this has been sus considering the C's are usually tight-lipped. A lot of the recent reporting has come from Miami's side it seems. Makes me wonder too if maybe they truly are just trying to drive up the price, or they might have interest in being involved as a 3rd team where they don't get Giannis, but other assets/players?

Which they should be doing. Bobby Portis would be an interesting backup forward. Myles Turner an interesting starting center with Queta staying as his backup. Ryan Rollins could be an interesting defensive guard for the team as either a starter or reserve.

They aren't trading Rollins. They love him and believe he is their future.

They don't view him as a role player?

They think he has star potential?

That was my understanding based on some things said during the year, but maybe that wasn't accurate or has changed.  I mean he is 23 shot over 40% from 3 and averaged 17/6/5. Doesn't turn it over a ton, gets a lot of steals.  Slow start to his NBA career, but really has improved.  Maybe he has a Jimmy Butler type trajectory.  Not sure they think of him as a 1, but I can see how they might think he could be a 2. 

[jambr380]

Jaylen has 3/183M left on his contract. The 2/142M extension would ultimately make it 5/325M.

Giannis has 2/120M left, and his upcoming extension could be 4/275M. So 6/395M in total.

They might also be looking at that and weighing their options. FWIW, I still think regardless whether it's Brown or Giannis, they will try to reset the repeater tax and then go all out again after 2027 similar to how they got KP-Jrue in 2024. White may not be part of it, or he could and they could just try to land one legit player to pair with Tatum-Giannis-White and go the second apron route again as a "last hurrah" of sorts.

I'm pretty sure that in order to sign a new 4 yr extension, Giannis would have to decline his 2027-28 player option. And because they are both 35% supermax players, their contracts should be pretty similar for the next 5 years with Jaylen's 2 yr extension.

[SHAQATTACK]

I?m kinda bored .  ..maybe more changes need to happen??something doesn?t feel right .