Time for a change?

[Goldstar88]

Bill Simmons also reiterated his earlier claim that Boston is a preferred destination for the Bucks star. Giannis Antetokounmpo is pushing for Miami or Boston, Simmons said. Those are the two locations and really wants to end up in Boston because he would have the best chance to win a title. Boston is not ruling out the idea is my intel. In general, I?m prepared for anything with Boston now.
Booth Newspapers

It's fun to think about, but I don't buy it.  Simmons doesn't have any real sources.

Yeah, I agree.

Another issue with a Celtics Giannis trade is that it would require a third team to be involved. The Bucks would not want Brown because they would have the same issues as the past few seasons. Three team trades are rare because there are too many variables involved in getting a deal done.

What are the same issues? From my perspective, that would be a slam dunk for the Bucks.

If the Bucks swapped Giannis for Brown, they still would not be good enough to contend in any meaningful way and still would not have control of their first round picks until 2031.

I would imagine the Bucks would want to redirect Brown for draft capital and young prospects they can develop.

I agree and there are teams out there like Houston and Atlanta that have young talent and would love to add JB.

[Moranis]

Bill Simmons also reiterated his earlier claim that Boston is a preferred destination for the Bucks star. Giannis Antetokounmpo is pushing for Miami or Boston, Simmons said. Those are the two locations and really wants to end up in Boston because he would have the best chance to win a title. Boston is not ruling out the idea is my intel. In general, I?m prepared for anything with Boston now.
Booth Newspapers

It's fun to think about, but I don't buy it.  Simmons doesn't have any real sources.

Yeah, I agree.

Another issue with a Celtics Giannis trade is that it would require a third team to be involved. The Bucks would not want Brown because they would have the same issues as the past few seasons. Three team trades are rare because there are too many variables involved in getting a deal done.

What are the same issues? From my perspective, that would be a slam dunk for the Bucks.

If the Bucks swapped Giannis for Brown, they still would not be good enough to contend in any meaningful way and still would not have control of their first round picks until 2031.

I would imagine the Bucks would want to redirect Brown for draft capital and young prospects they can develop.

I agree and there are teams out there like Houston and Atlanta that have young talent and would love to add JB.

Portland. San Antonio. Detroit. Obviously not all realistic, but all could make a solid offer to acquire Brown.

[slightly biased bias fan]

Bill Simmons also reiterated his earlier claim that Boston is a preferred destination for the Bucks star. Giannis Antetokounmpo is pushing for Miami or Boston, Simmons said. Those are the two locations and really wants to end up in Boston because he would have the best chance to win a title. Boston is not ruling out the idea is my intel. In general, I?m prepared for anything with Boston now.
Booth Newspapers

It's fun to think about, but I don't buy it.  Simmons doesn't have any real sources.

Yeah, I agree.

Another issue with a Celtics Giannis trade is that it would require a third team to be involved. The Bucks would not want Brown because they would have the same issues as the past few seasons. Three team trades are rare because there are too many variables involved in getting a deal done.

What are the same issues? From my perspective, that would be a slam dunk for the Bucks.

If the Bucks swapped Giannis for Brown, they still would not be good enough to contend in any meaningful way and still would not have control of their first round picks until 2031.

I would imagine the Bucks would want to redirect Brown for draft capital and young prospects they can develop.

I agree and there are teams out there like Houston and Atlanta that have young talent and would love to add JB.

I think Portland would be their ideal trade partner for Brown. The Blazers have swap rights on the Bucks 2028, 2029 & 2030 first round picks.

But there in lies the problem. All Portland have to do is rebuke one detail of a Giannis, Brown trade and the deal collapses.

[Jiri Welsch]

With the new anti-tanking rules, I?m not sure that draft capital carries the same weight it used to.

I think the Bucks ownership would be happy making the playoffs with a star. Even if not competing for a title every year.

[Celtics2021]

With the new anti-tanking rules, I?m not sure that draft capital carries the same weight it used to.
Yes
I think the Bucks ownership would be happy making the playoffs with a star. Even if not competing for a title every year.

It will carry different weight.  Take the JB-to-Pelicans trades that dominate multiple threads here.  The Pels with JB still likely are not making the playoffs.  Maybe they will make the play-in, maybe they will just miss.  Before, that would very likely be a pick in the 10-14 range, with an 8-12% chance to move up to the top 4.  Now that would be a 22-34% chance to move up to the top 4, and a 59-73% that you are somewhere in the top 10.  There is a the risk of falling a few spots, but that is less of a big deal at that part of the draft compared with the opportunity to move up.

But if you are trading with someone who looks to be bottom 5, that is probably worse, as you have further to fall, and if they are bottom 3 they could fall very far.

Long story short, picks for teams like the Pelicans and Kings, who just lose without trying but likely will not be a bottom 3 team, have probably gotten more valuable.

[keevsnick]

Bill Simmons also reiterated his earlier claim that Boston is a preferred destination for the Bucks star. Giannis Antetokounmpo is pushing for Miami or Boston, Simmons said. Those are the two locations and really wants to end up in Boston because he would have the best chance to win a title. Boston is not ruling out the idea is my intel. In general, I?m prepared for anything with Boston now.
Booth Newspapers

It's fun to think about, but I don't buy it.  Simmons doesn't have any real sources.

Yeah, I agree.

Another issue with a Celtics Giannis trade is that it would require a third team to be involved. The Bucks would not want Brown because they would have the same issues as the past few seasons. Three team trades are rare because there are too many variables involved in getting a deal done.

What are the same issues? From my perspective, that would be a slam dunk for the Bucks.

If the Bucks swapped Giannis for Brown, they still would not be good enough to contend in any meaningful way and still would not have control of their first round picks until 2031.

I would imagine the Bucks would want to redirect Brown for draft capital and young prospects they can develop.

I agree and there are teams out there like Houston and Atlanta that have young talent and would love to add JB.

I think Portland would be their ideal trade partner for Brown. The Blazers have swap rights on the Bucks 2028, 2029 & 2030 first round picks.

But there in lies the problem. All Portland have to do is rebuke one detail of a Giannis, Brown trade and the deal collapses.

If I'm Portland an I saw the Bucks about to trade Giannis I would think I' be pretty reluctant to turn around and trade those picks back to MIL. Those picks are about to be immensely valuable. If you don't trade them back to MIL they could very easily get you in the conversation for the next superstar that becomes available.

Or if I'm giving up the far as part of a third team in a Giannis tare to get Jaylen Brwon why am I not just trading for Giannis instead? A Giannis + Deni star u with a supporting cats of Holiday, Lillard, Camara, ect could be very interesting.

[Celtics2021]

Bill Simmons also reiterated his earlier claim that Boston is a preferred destination for the Bucks star. Giannis Antetokounmpo is pushing for Miami or Boston, Simmons said. Those are the two locations and really wants to end up in Boston because he would have the best chance to win a title. Boston is not ruling out the idea is my intel. In general, I?m prepared for anything with Boston now.
Booth Newspapers

It's fun to think about, but I don't buy it.  Simmons doesn't have any real sources.

Yeah, I agree.

Another issue with a Celtics Giannis trade is that it would require a third team to be involved. The Bucks would not want Brown because they would have the same issues as the past few seasons. Three team trades are rare because there are too many variables involved in getting a deal done.

What are the same issues? From my perspective, that would be a slam dunk for the Bucks.

If the Bucks swapped Giannis for Brown, they still would not be good enough to contend in any meaningful way and still would not have control of their first round picks until 2031.

I would imagine the Bucks would want to redirect Brown for draft capital and young prospects they can develop.

I agree and there are teams out there like Houston and Atlanta that have young talent and would love to add JB.

I think Portland would be their ideal trade partner for Brown. The Blazers have swap rights on the Bucks 2028, 2029 & 2030 first round picks.

But there in lies the problem. All Portland have to do is rebuke one detail of a Giannis, Brown trade and the deal collapses.

If I'm Portland an I saw the Bucks about to trade Giannis I would think I' be pretty reluctant to turn around and trade those picks back to MIL. Those picks are about to be immensely valuable. If you don't trade them back to MIL they could very easily get you in the conversation for the next superstar that becomes available.

Or if I'm giving up the far as part of a third team in a Giannis tare to get Jaylen Brwon why am I not just trading for Giannis instead? A Giannis + Deni star u with a supporting cats of Holiday, Lillard, Camara, ect could be very interesting.

The rationale for JB over Giannis if you are Portland is if Giannis will not sign an extension.  He has a player option next season, so it could easily become a 1-year rental.  Brown has three years left.  If you are giving up the farm for one of them and you are Portland, JB might be the better fit because he can?t immediately walk away.

[celticinorlando]

Not buying any of this. Brad stays the course and signs some very very small parts that really don't move the needle.

[jambr380]

Bill Simmons also reiterated his earlier claim that Boston is a preferred destination for the Bucks star. Giannis Antetokounmpo is pushing for Miami or Boston, Simmons said. Those are the two locations and really wants to end up in Boston because he would have the best chance to win a title. Boston is not ruling out the idea is my intel. In general, I?m prepared for anything with Boston now.
Booth Newspapers

It's fun to think about, but I don't buy it.  Simmons doesn't have any real sources.

Yeah, I agree.

Another issue with a Celtics Giannis trade is that it would require a third team to be involved. The Bucks would not want Brown because they would have the same issues as the past few seasons. Three team trades are rare because there are too many variables involved in getting a deal done.

What are the same issues? From my perspective, that would be a slam dunk for the Bucks.

If the Bucks swapped Giannis for Brown, they still would not be good enough to contend in any meaningful way and still would not have control of their first round picks until 2031.

I would imagine the Bucks would want to redirect Brown for draft capital and young prospects they can develop.

I agree and there are teams out there like Houston and Atlanta that have young talent and would love to add JB.

I think Portland would be their ideal trade partner for Brown. The Blazers have swap rights on the Bucks 2028, 2029 & 2030 first round picks.

But there in lies the problem. All Portland have to do is rebuke one detail of a Giannis, Brown trade and the deal collapses.

If I'm Portland an I saw the Bucks about to trade Giannis I would think I' be pretty reluctant to turn around and trade those picks back to MIL. Those picks are about to be immensely valuable. If you don't trade them back to MIL they could very easily get you in the conversation for the next superstar that becomes available.

Or if I'm giving up the far as part of a third team in a Giannis tare to get Jaylen Brown why am I not just trading for Giannis instead? A Giannis + Deni star u with a supporting cats of Holiday, Lillard, Camara, ect could be very interesting.

The rationale for JB over Giannis if you are Portland is if Giannis will not sign an extension.  He has a player option next season, so it could easily become a 1-year rental.  Brown has three years left.  If you are giving up the farm for one of them and you are Portland, JB might be the better fit because he can?t immediately walk away.

Yeah, I keep seeing posts all over saying why doesn't [insert city here] trade for Giannis themselves, and it's exactly what you said. What matters is if Giannis will sign an extension, and by all accounts, that list is pretty small. East coast, contenders, city he wants to go to. I'm not even sure Cleveland would fall into this category.

Portland would do very well to land Jaylen Brown. They aren't exactly the most desirable FA destination, so him being signed for 3 more years is a real bonus. We know Cronin and Stevens have a good working relationship, too, so sometimes that just makes it easier and expedites moves like this.

[jambr380]

Not buying any of this. Brad stays the course and signs some very very small parts that really don't move the needle.

I'm just wondering, why are you so sure about this? I'm not saying it definitely won't happen, but do you just think Brad has cooled down from his press conference and will be willing to run things back? I feel like Brad has consistently made decent splashes to try and make the team better. Never has he had to deal with back to back postseason failures like this, so it seems possible/even probable that he'll make at least a Derrick White level trade, but I definitely wouldn't rule out a Jaylen trade.

By the sounds of your comment, it sounds like you want to see something bigger, just that you doubt it will happen.

[nickagneta]

I see talk about Milwaukee moving JB after they acquire him or do a three way. But do they WANT to get bad?

Let's face it, the draft and draft lottery are changing. It could make being bad last a much longer time with some less than great lottery luck.

And, having JB paired with Turner, Portis, Porter Jr., Rollins, Thomas, Trent and some draft picks, might be a pretty decent squad with Brown as a #1 given what Jaylen just did with the crew he had in Boston.

I am not sure the Bucks ownership group want to get irrelevantly bad for a long time and Brown would seem to be the exact type of locker room leader the Bucks new coach, Taylor Jenkins, would love to have to bring the type of team culture and togetherness he preaches.

[jambr380]

I see talk about Milwaukee moving JB after they acquire him or do a three way. But do they WANT to get bad?

Let's face it, the draft and draft lottery are changing. It could make being bad last a much longer time with some less than great lottery luck.

And, having JB paired with Turner, Portis, Porter Jr., Rollins, Thomas, Trent and some draft picks, might be a pretty decent squad with Brown as a #1 given what Jaylen just did with the crew he had in Boston.

I am not sure the Bucks ownership group want to get irrelevantly bad for a long time and Brown would seem to be the exact type of locker room leader the Bucks new coach, Taylor Jenkins, would love to have to bring the type of team culture and togetherness he preaches.

I understand this perspective. If they sign Jaylen to that 2 year extension after acquiring him, they would have control of him for 5 years. If it's not working out after a couple of years, they could trade him again. MIL definitely doesn't want to just lose games. No reason to with the new lottery odds even if they did get their picks back. That team wouldn't be great, but they'd be a team you need to try against.

[Moranis]

Bill Simmons also reiterated his earlier claim that Boston is a preferred destination for the Bucks star. Giannis Antetokounmpo is pushing for Miami or Boston, Simmons said. Those are the two locations and really wants to end up in Boston because he would have the best chance to win a title. Boston is not ruling out the idea is my intel. In general, I?m prepared for anything with Boston now.
Booth Newspapers

It's fun to think about, but I don't buy it.  Simmons doesn't have any real sources.

Yeah, I agree.

Another issue with a Celtics Giannis trade is that it would require a third team to be involved. The Bucks would not want Brown because they would have the same issues as the past few seasons. Three team trades are rare because there are too many variables involved in getting a deal done.

What are the same issues? From my perspective, that would be a slam dunk for the Bucks.

If the Bucks swapped Giannis for Brown, they still would not be good enough to contend in any meaningful way and still would not have control of their first round picks until 2031.

I would imagine the Bucks would want to redirect Brown for draft capital and young prospects they can develop.

I agree and there are teams out there like Houston and Atlanta that have young talent and would love to add JB.

I think Portland would be their ideal trade partner for Brown. The Blazers have swap rights on the Bucks 2028, 2029 & 2030 first round picks.

But there in lies the problem. All Portland have to do is rebuke one detail of a Giannis, Brown trade and the deal collapses.

If I'm Portland an I saw the Bucks about to trade Giannis I would think I' be pretty reluctant to turn around and trade those picks back to MIL. Those picks are about to be immensely valuable. If you don't trade them back to MIL they could very easily get you in the conversation for the next superstar that becomes available.

Or if I'm giving up the far as part of a third team in a Giannis tare to get Jaylen Brwon why am I not just trading for Giannis instead? A Giannis + Deni star u with a supporting cats of Holiday, Lillard, Camara, ect could be very interesting.

The rationale for JB over Giannis if you are Portland is if Giannis will not sign an extension.  He has a player option next season, so it could easily become a 1-year rental.  Brown has three years left.  If you are giving up the farm for one of them and you are Portland, JB might be the better fit because he can?t immediately walk away.

Portland also has a greater need on the wing and wouldn't need to give up as much for Brown as they would for Giannis.  But Grant, Henderson, and future picks isn't exactly a good trade for Boston's win now approach.  The 3 team trade with Giannis to Boston, Brown to Portland, and all sorts of draft capital to Milwaukee makes way more sense for all 3 teams, especially since a lot of that dragt capital is Milwaukee's own picks back. 

Boston - Giannis, Wesley
Portland - Brown, 40
Milwaukee - Grant, Scoot, Hugo, 27, picks back from Por

Something like that.

[slamtheking]

Bill Simmons also reiterated his earlier claim that Boston is a preferred destination for the Bucks star. Giannis Antetokounmpo is pushing for Miami or Boston, Simmons said. Those are the two locations and really wants to end up in Boston because he would have the best chance to win a title. Boston is not ruling out the idea is my intel. In general, I?m prepared for anything with Boston now.
Booth Newspapers

It's fun to think about, but I don't buy it.  Simmons doesn't have any real sources.

Yeah, I agree.

Another issue with a Celtics Giannis trade is that it would require a third team to be involved. The Bucks would not want Brown because they would have the same issues as the past few seasons. Three team trades are rare because there are too many variables involved in getting a deal done.

What are the same issues? From my perspective, that would be a slam dunk for the Bucks.

If the Bucks swapped Giannis for Brown, they still would not be good enough to contend in any meaningful way and still would not have control of their first round picks until 2031.

I would imagine the Bucks would want to redirect Brown for draft capital and young prospects they can develop.

I agree and there are teams out there like Houston and Atlanta that have young talent and would love to add JB.

I think Portland would be their ideal trade partner for Brown. The Blazers have swap rights on the Bucks 2028, 2029 & 2030 first round picks.

But there in lies the problem. All Portland have to do is rebuke one detail of a Giannis, Brown trade and the deal collapses.

If I'm Portland an I saw the Bucks about to trade Giannis I would think I' be pretty reluctant to turn around and trade those picks back to MIL. Those picks are about to be immensely valuable. If you don't trade them back to MIL they could very easily get you in the conversation for the next superstar that becomes available.

Or if I'm giving up the far as part of a third team in a Giannis tare to get Jaylen Brwon why am I not just trading for Giannis instead? A Giannis + Deni star u with a supporting cats of Holiday, Lillard, Camara, ect could be very interesting.

The rationale for JB over Giannis if you are Portland is if Giannis will not sign an extension.  He has a player option next season, so it could easily become a 1-year rental.  Brown has three years left.  If you are giving up the farm for one of them and you are Portland, JB might be the better fit because he can?t immediately walk away.

Portland also has a greater need on the wing and wouldn't need to give up as much for Brown as they would for Giannis.  But Grant, Henderson, and future picks isn't exactly a good trade for Boston's win now approach.  The 3 team trade with Giannis to Boston, Brown to Portland, and all sorts of draft capital to Milwaukee makes way more sense for all 3 teams, especially since a lot of that dragt capital is Milwaukee's own picks back. 

Boston - Giannis, Wesley
Portland - Brown, 40
Milwaukee - Grant, Scoot, Hugo, 27, picks back from Por

Something like that.

so you think it's good value for the Celtics to give up this year's first, this year's second AND Hugo to add Blake Wesley?  no thanks. 

Anything more than Jaylen for Giannis is overpay.  in a vacuum Giannis is the better player but this isn't a vacuum.  Giannis is older and coming out of his prime, he's had injury issues the past few years and may have some attitude issues based on what occurred in Milwaukee this past year.  Add in that we have to get him to sign an extension that'll cost more than it'll cost to extend JB (who's in his prime and coming off a second team all-NBA season) that's not nothing in terms of affecting Giannis' trade value to the C's.

that doesn't even get into the questions of whether Joe knows how to integrate a player like Giannis who isn't a 3-point shooter and getting him to mesh with another ball-dominant star player in Tatum.

[Vermont Green]

I see talk about Milwaukee moving JB after they acquire him or do a three way. But do they WANT to get bad?

Let's face it, the draft and draft lottery are changing. It could make being bad last a much longer time with some less than great lottery luck.

And, having JB paired with Turner, Portis, Porter Jr., Rollins, Thomas, Trent and some draft picks, might be a pretty decent squad with Brown as a #1 given what Jaylen just did with the crew he had in Boston.

I am not sure the Bucks ownership group want to get irrelevantly bad for a long time and Brown would seem to be the exact type of locker room leader the Bucks new coach, Taylor Jenkins, would love to have to bring the type of team culture and togetherness he preaches.

If I was MIL, and I was trading Giannis, I would not want Brown back as the main piece.  It is a timeline thing to me.  If you can't win with Giannis and this supporting cast, you probably are not with Brown either, at least not right away.  And Brown is only a couple of years younger.  It may extend the timeline a little, but not that much.

That is why to me, it makes more sense for MIL to get young players and draft picks back for Giannis.  A classic "blow it up".  Hope you get lucky and draft the next Giannis and build around that player.  To me, Brown makes more sense for a team that has been rebuilding but needs a key piece added.  Atlanta, Portland, maybe even NOP are teams that make more sense to want to bring on Brown, and teams that might have pieces that fit with the MIL rebuild.