Time for a change?

[Goldstar88]

Bill Simmons also reiterated his earlier claim that Boston is a preferred destination for the Bucks star. Giannis Antetokounmpo is pushing for Miami or Boston, Simmons said. Those are the two locations and really wants to end up in Boston because he would have the best chance to win a title. Boston is not ruling out the idea is my intel. In general, I?m prepared for anything with Boston now.
Booth Newspapers

It's fun to think about, but I don't buy it.  Simmons doesn't have any real sources.

Yeah, I agree.

Another issue with a Celtics Giannis trade is that it would require a third team to be involved. The Bucks would not want Brown because they would have the same issues as the past few seasons. Three team trades are rare because there are too many variables involved in getting a deal done.

What are the same issues? From my perspective, that would be a slam dunk for the Bucks.

If the Bucks swapped Giannis for Brown, they still would not be good enough to contend in any meaningful way and still would not have control of their first round picks until 2031.

I would imagine the Bucks would want to redirect Brown for draft capital and young prospects they can develop.

I agree and there are teams out there like Houston and Atlanta that have young talent and would love to add JB.

[Moranis]

Bill Simmons also reiterated his earlier claim that Boston is a preferred destination for the Bucks star. Giannis Antetokounmpo is pushing for Miami or Boston, Simmons said. Those are the two locations and really wants to end up in Boston because he would have the best chance to win a title. Boston is not ruling out the idea is my intel. In general, I?m prepared for anything with Boston now.
Booth Newspapers

It's fun to think about, but I don't buy it.  Simmons doesn't have any real sources.

Yeah, I agree.

Another issue with a Celtics Giannis trade is that it would require a third team to be involved. The Bucks would not want Brown because they would have the same issues as the past few seasons. Three team trades are rare because there are too many variables involved in getting a deal done.

What are the same issues? From my perspective, that would be a slam dunk for the Bucks.

If the Bucks swapped Giannis for Brown, they still would not be good enough to contend in any meaningful way and still would not have control of their first round picks until 2031.

I would imagine the Bucks would want to redirect Brown for draft capital and young prospects they can develop.

I agree and there are teams out there like Houston and Atlanta that have young talent and would love to add JB.

Portland. San Antonio. Detroit. Obviously not all realistic, but all could make a solid offer to acquire Brown.

[slightly biased bias fan]

Bill Simmons also reiterated his earlier claim that Boston is a preferred destination for the Bucks star. Giannis Antetokounmpo is pushing for Miami or Boston, Simmons said. Those are the two locations and really wants to end up in Boston because he would have the best chance to win a title. Boston is not ruling out the idea is my intel. In general, I?m prepared for anything with Boston now.
Booth Newspapers

It's fun to think about, but I don't buy it.  Simmons doesn't have any real sources.

Yeah, I agree.

Another issue with a Celtics Giannis trade is that it would require a third team to be involved. The Bucks would not want Brown because they would have the same issues as the past few seasons. Three team trades are rare because there are too many variables involved in getting a deal done.

What are the same issues? From my perspective, that would be a slam dunk for the Bucks.

If the Bucks swapped Giannis for Brown, they still would not be good enough to contend in any meaningful way and still would not have control of their first round picks until 2031.

I would imagine the Bucks would want to redirect Brown for draft capital and young prospects they can develop.

I agree and there are teams out there like Houston and Atlanta that have young talent and would love to add JB.

I think Portland would be their ideal trade partner for Brown. The Blazers have swap rights on the Bucks 2028, 2029 & 2030 first round picks.

But there in lies the problem. All Portland have to do is rebuke one detail of a Giannis, Brown trade and the deal collapses.

[Jiri Welsch]

With the new anti-tanking rules, I?m not sure that draft capital carries the same weight it used to.

I think the Bucks ownership would be happy making the playoffs with a star. Even if not competing for a title every year.

[Celtics2021]

With the new anti-tanking rules, I?m not sure that draft capital carries the same weight it used to.
Yes
I think the Bucks ownership would be happy making the playoffs with a star. Even if not competing for a title every year.

It will carry different weight.  Take the JB-to-Pelicans trades that dominate multiple threads here.  The Pels with JB still likely are not making the playoffs.  Maybe they will make the play-in, maybe they will just miss.  Before, that would very likely be a pick in the 10-14 range, with an 8-12% chance to move up to the top 4.  Now that would be a 22-34% chance to move up to the top 4, and a 59-73% that you are somewhere in the top 10.  There is a the risk of falling a few spots, but that is less of a big deal at that part of the draft compared with the opportunity to move up.

But if you are trading with someone who looks to be bottom 5, that is probably worse, as you have further to fall, and if they are bottom 3 they could fall very far.

Long story short, picks for teams like the Pelicans and Kings, who just lose without trying but likely will not be a bottom 3 team, have probably gotten more valuable.

[keevsnick]

Bill Simmons also reiterated his earlier claim that Boston is a preferred destination for the Bucks star. Giannis Antetokounmpo is pushing for Miami or Boston, Simmons said. Those are the two locations and really wants to end up in Boston because he would have the best chance to win a title. Boston is not ruling out the idea is my intel. In general, I?m prepared for anything with Boston now.
Booth Newspapers

It's fun to think about, but I don't buy it.  Simmons doesn't have any real sources.

Yeah, I agree.

Another issue with a Celtics Giannis trade is that it would require a third team to be involved. The Bucks would not want Brown because they would have the same issues as the past few seasons. Three team trades are rare because there are too many variables involved in getting a deal done.

What are the same issues? From my perspective, that would be a slam dunk for the Bucks.

If the Bucks swapped Giannis for Brown, they still would not be good enough to contend in any meaningful way and still would not have control of their first round picks until 2031.

I would imagine the Bucks would want to redirect Brown for draft capital and young prospects they can develop.

I agree and there are teams out there like Houston and Atlanta that have young talent and would love to add JB.

I think Portland would be their ideal trade partner for Brown. The Blazers have swap rights on the Bucks 2028, 2029 & 2030 first round picks.

But there in lies the problem. All Portland have to do is rebuke one detail of a Giannis, Brown trade and the deal collapses.

If I'm Portland an I saw the Bucks about to trade Giannis I would think I' be pretty reluctant to turn around and trade those picks back to MIL. Those picks are about to be immensely valuable. If you don't trade them back to MIL they could very easily get you in the conversation for the next superstar that becomes available.

Or if I'm giving up the far as part of a third team in a Giannis tare to get Jaylen Brwon why am I not just trading for Giannis instead? A Giannis + Deni star u with a supporting cats of Holiday, Lillard, Camara, ect could be very interesting.

[Celtics2021]

Bill Simmons also reiterated his earlier claim that Boston is a preferred destination for the Bucks star. Giannis Antetokounmpo is pushing for Miami or Boston, Simmons said. Those are the two locations and really wants to end up in Boston because he would have the best chance to win a title. Boston is not ruling out the idea is my intel. In general, I?m prepared for anything with Boston now.
Booth Newspapers

It's fun to think about, but I don't buy it.  Simmons doesn't have any real sources.

Yeah, I agree.

Another issue with a Celtics Giannis trade is that it would require a third team to be involved. The Bucks would not want Brown because they would have the same issues as the past few seasons. Three team trades are rare because there are too many variables involved in getting a deal done.

What are the same issues? From my perspective, that would be a slam dunk for the Bucks.

If the Bucks swapped Giannis for Brown, they still would not be good enough to contend in any meaningful way and still would not have control of their first round picks until 2031.

I would imagine the Bucks would want to redirect Brown for draft capital and young prospects they can develop.

I agree and there are teams out there like Houston and Atlanta that have young talent and would love to add JB.

I think Portland would be their ideal trade partner for Brown. The Blazers have swap rights on the Bucks 2028, 2029 & 2030 first round picks.

But there in lies the problem. All Portland have to do is rebuke one detail of a Giannis, Brown trade and the deal collapses.

If I'm Portland an I saw the Bucks about to trade Giannis I would think I' be pretty reluctant to turn around and trade those picks back to MIL. Those picks are about to be immensely valuable. If you don't trade them back to MIL they could very easily get you in the conversation for the next superstar that becomes available.

Or if I'm giving up the far as part of a third team in a Giannis tare to get Jaylen Brwon why am I not just trading for Giannis instead? A Giannis + Deni star u with a supporting cats of Holiday, Lillard, Camara, ect could be very interesting.

The rationale for JB over Giannis if you are Portland is if Giannis will not sign an extension.  He has a player option next season, so it could easily become a 1-year rental.  Brown has three years left.  If you are giving up the farm for one of them and you are Portland, JB might be the better fit because he can?t immediately walk away.

[celticinorlando]

Not buying any of this. Brad stays the course and signs some very very small parts that really don't move the needle.

[jambr380]

Bill Simmons also reiterated his earlier claim that Boston is a preferred destination for the Bucks star. Giannis Antetokounmpo is pushing for Miami or Boston, Simmons said. Those are the two locations and really wants to end up in Boston because he would have the best chance to win a title. Boston is not ruling out the idea is my intel. In general, I?m prepared for anything with Boston now.
Booth Newspapers

It's fun to think about, but I don't buy it.  Simmons doesn't have any real sources.

Yeah, I agree.

Another issue with a Celtics Giannis trade is that it would require a third team to be involved. The Bucks would not want Brown because they would have the same issues as the past few seasons. Three team trades are rare because there are too many variables involved in getting a deal done.

What are the same issues? From my perspective, that would be a slam dunk for the Bucks.

If the Bucks swapped Giannis for Brown, they still would not be good enough to contend in any meaningful way and still would not have control of their first round picks until 2031.

I would imagine the Bucks would want to redirect Brown for draft capital and young prospects they can develop.

I agree and there are teams out there like Houston and Atlanta that have young talent and would love to add JB.

I think Portland would be their ideal trade partner for Brown. The Blazers have swap rights on the Bucks 2028, 2029 & 2030 first round picks.

But there in lies the problem. All Portland have to do is rebuke one detail of a Giannis, Brown trade and the deal collapses.

If I'm Portland an I saw the Bucks about to trade Giannis I would think I' be pretty reluctant to turn around and trade those picks back to MIL. Those picks are about to be immensely valuable. If you don't trade them back to MIL they could very easily get you in the conversation for the next superstar that becomes available.

Or if I'm giving up the far as part of a third team in a Giannis tare to get Jaylen Brown why am I not just trading for Giannis instead? A Giannis + Deni star u with a supporting cats of Holiday, Lillard, Camara, ect could be very interesting.

The rationale for JB over Giannis if you are Portland is if Giannis will not sign an extension.  He has a player option next season, so it could easily become a 1-year rental.  Brown has three years left.  If you are giving up the farm for one of them and you are Portland, JB might be the better fit because he can?t immediately walk away.

Yeah, I keep seeing posts all over saying why doesn't [insert city here] trade for Giannis themselves, and it's exactly what you said. What matters is if Giannis will sign an extension, and by all accounts, that list is pretty small. East coast, contenders, city he wants to go to. I'm not even sure Cleveland would fall into this category.

Portland would do very well to land Jaylen Brown. They aren't exactly the most desirable FA destination, so him being signed for 3 more years is a real bonus. We know Cronin and Stevens have a good working relationship, too, so sometimes that just makes it easier and expedites moves like this.

[jambr380]

Not buying any of this. Brad stays the course and signs some very very small parts that really don't move the needle.

I'm just wondering, why are you so sure about this? I'm not saying it definitely won't happen, but do you just think Brad has cooled down from his press conference and will be willing to run things back? I feel like Brad has consistently made decent splashes to try and make the team better. Never has he had to deal with back to back postseason failures like this, so it seems possible/even probable that he'll make at least a Derrick White level trade, but I definitely wouldn't rule out a Jaylen trade.

By the sounds of your comment, it sounds like you want to see something bigger, just that you doubt it will happen.