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Re: Time for a change?
« Reply #315 on: Yesterday at 10:02:49 PM »

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Bill Simmons also reiterated his earlier claim that Boston is a preferred destination for the Bucks star. Giannis Antetokounmpo is pushing for Miami or Boston, Simmons said. Those are the two locations and really wants to end up in Boston because he would have the best chance to win a title. Boston is not ruling out the idea is my intel. In general, I?m prepared for anything with Boston now.
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It's fun to think about, but I don't buy it.  Simmons doesn't have any real sources.

Yeah, I agree.

Another issue with a Celtics Giannis trade is that it would require a third team to be involved. The Bucks would not want Brown because they would have the same issues as the past few seasons. Three team trades are rare because there are too many variables involved in getting a deal done.

What are the same issues? From my perspective, that would be a slam dunk for the Bucks.

If the Bucks swapped Giannis for Brown, they still would not be good enough to contend in any meaningful way and still would not have control of their first round picks until 2031.

I would imagine the Bucks would want to redirect Brown for draft capital and young prospects they can develop.

I agree and there are teams out there like Houston and Atlanta that have young talent and would love to add JB.
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Re: Time for a change?
« Reply #316 on: Yesterday at 10:39:30 PM »

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Bill Simmons also reiterated his earlier claim that Boston is a preferred destination for the Bucks star. Giannis Antetokounmpo is pushing for Miami or Boston, Simmons said. Those are the two locations and really wants to end up in Boston because he would have the best chance to win a title. Boston is not ruling out the idea is my intel. In general, I?m prepared for anything with Boston now.
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It's fun to think about, but I don't buy it.  Simmons doesn't have any real sources.

Yeah, I agree.

Another issue with a Celtics Giannis trade is that it would require a third team to be involved. The Bucks would not want Brown because they would have the same issues as the past few seasons. Three team trades are rare because there are too many variables involved in getting a deal done.

What are the same issues? From my perspective, that would be a slam dunk for the Bucks.

If the Bucks swapped Giannis for Brown, they still would not be good enough to contend in any meaningful way and still would not have control of their first round picks until 2031.

I would imagine the Bucks would want to redirect Brown for draft capital and young prospects they can develop.

I agree and there are teams out there like Houston and Atlanta that have young talent and would love to add JB.
Portland. San Antonio. Detroit. Obviously not all realistic, but all could make a solid offer to acquire Brown.
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Re: Time for a change?
« Reply #317 on: Yesterday at 11:17:45 PM »

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Bill Simmons also reiterated his earlier claim that Boston is a preferred destination for the Bucks star. Giannis Antetokounmpo is pushing for Miami or Boston, Simmons said. Those are the two locations and really wants to end up in Boston because he would have the best chance to win a title. Boston is not ruling out the idea is my intel. In general, I?m prepared for anything with Boston now.
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It's fun to think about, but I don't buy it.  Simmons doesn't have any real sources.

Yeah, I agree.

Another issue with a Celtics Giannis trade is that it would require a third team to be involved. The Bucks would not want Brown because they would have the same issues as the past few seasons. Three team trades are rare because there are too many variables involved in getting a deal done.

What are the same issues? From my perspective, that would be a slam dunk for the Bucks.

If the Bucks swapped Giannis for Brown, they still would not be good enough to contend in any meaningful way and still would not have control of their first round picks until 2031.

I would imagine the Bucks would want to redirect Brown for draft capital and young prospects they can develop.

I agree and there are teams out there like Houston and Atlanta that have young talent and would love to add JB.

I think Portland would be their ideal trade partner for Brown. The Blazers have swap rights on the Bucks 2028, 2029 & 2030 first round picks.

But there in lies the problem. All Portland have to do is rebuke one detail of a Giannis, Brown trade and the deal collapses.

Re: Time for a change?
« Reply #318 on: Yesterday at 11:23:30 PM »

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With the new anti-tanking rules, I?m not sure that draft capital carries the same weight it used to.

I think the Bucks ownership would be happy making the playoffs with a star. Even if not competing for a title every year.

Re: Time for a change?
« Reply #319 on: Yesterday at 11:43:26 PM »

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With the new anti-tanking rules, I?m not sure that draft capital carries the same weight it used to.
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I think the Bucks ownership would be happy making the playoffs with a star. Even if not competing for a title every year.

It will carry different weight.  Take the JB-to-Pelicans trades that dominate multiple threads here.  The Pels with JB still likely are not making the playoffs.  Maybe they will make the play-in, maybe they will just miss.  Before, that would very likely be a pick in the 10-14 range, with an 8-12% chance to move up to the top 4.  Now that would be a 22-34% chance to move up to the top 4, and a 59-73% that you are somewhere in the top 10.  There is a the risk of falling a few spots, but that is less of a big deal at that part of the draft compared with the opportunity to move up.

But if you are trading with someone who looks to be bottom 5, that is probably worse, as you have further to fall, and if they are bottom 3 they could fall very far.

Long story short, picks for teams like the Pelicans and Kings, who just lose without trying but likely will not be a bottom 3 team, have probably gotten more valuable.