Keep Simons draft a bruiser

[boscel33]

Might have the bruiser, check out what Amari is doing in the G-League, 18PPG/11RPG.  In 2024, he was a 4-star Transfer prospect signing with Kentucky.  He averaged 11PPG and 8.5RPG in 22.8MPG at Kentucky where they lost in the sweet sixteen.

[Jiri Welsch]

I think this will be a "red-shirt" year for Amari. But hopefully by next year he could spell 5-10 minutes during some games.

Seems to take a few years for non superstar bigs to really become regularly effective.

[Vermont Green]

I'd rather give up Simons, picks and even possibly another player for a center we know can play. The draft is always a crapshoot, especially toward the back of the draft.

I had proposed this in another thread:

Simons
for
Okongwu and Kennard

I don't see the need as necessarily a center, but a big more in general.  Okongwu fits that and also meets the "we know can play" criteria.  He is playing as well as if not better than Porzingis, with a much better track record of durability.  He is not a true center but I think could give you some minutes there as part of the overall rotation.  A 4th or 5th starter level player is all that is needed.

[Roy H.]

I'd rather give up Simons, picks and even possibly another player for a center we know can play. The draft is always a crapshoot, especially toward the back of the draft.

I had proposed this in another thread:

Simons
for
Okongwu and Kennard

I don't see the need as necessarily a center, but a big more in general.  Okongwu fits that and also meets the "we know can play" criteria.  He is playing as well as if not better than Porzingis, with a much better track record of durability.  He is not a true center but I think could give you some minutes there as part of the overall rotation.  A 4th or 5th starter level player is all that is needed.

He's a flawed player, but for the price you're suggesting that would be a steal.

My question would be, why does Atlanta do it?

[Vermont Green]

I'd rather give up Simons, picks and even possibly another player for a center we know can play. The draft is always a crapshoot, especially toward the back of the draft.

I had proposed this in another thread:

Simons
for
Okongwu and Kennard

I don't see the need as necessarily a center, but a big more in general.  Okongwu fits that and also meets the "we know can play" criteria.  He is playing as well as if not better than Porzingis, with a much better track record of durability.  He is not a true center but I think could give you some minutes there as part of the overall rotation.  A 4th or 5th starter level player is all that is needed.

He's a flawed player, but for the price you're suggesting that would be a steal.

My question would be, why does Atlanta do it?

There was some talk about ATL looking to move on from him.  It may require more to get him, I don't know.  But this is the kind of trade I hope they are able to do if they do trade Simons.

[CFAN38]

I'd rather give up Simons, picks and even possibly another player for a center we know can play. The draft is always a crapshoot, especially toward the back of the draft.

I had proposed this in another thread:

Simons
for
Okongwu and Kennard

I don't see the need as necessarily a center, but a big more in general.  Okongwu fits that and also meets the "we know can play" criteria.  He is playing as well as if not better than Porzingis, with a much better track record of durability.  He is not a true center but I think could give you some minutes there as part of the overall rotation.  A 4th or 5th starter level player is all that is needed.

He's a flawed player, but for the price you're suggesting that would be a steal.

My question would be, why does Atlanta do it?

There was some talk about ATL looking to move on from him.  It may require more to get him, I don't know.  But this is the kind of trade I hope they are able to do if they do trade Simons.

Its strange to me that Onyeka Okongwu is being discussed as a trade candidate by the Hawks. If he really is available he could be a D White like target who the Cs over pay for and he than exceeds his value. I wonder if a package like Hauser, Minot, and two firsts is enough to get ATL to move him?

[No Nickname]

In my opinion, keeping Simons is only viable if he signs a team-friendly deal longer term.

If they have a sense that he would be willing to re-sign to something much smaller than his current $27 million per year, then maybe it's worth considering. But if that's not possible, they might be better served using him as a trade piece.

The other point of your post -- namely drafting a big regardless of what else is available -- is something I'm fine with. More than likely they'll be picking around 20-25 anyway. History tells us it's a crapshoot at that point.

Agree with Simons the resign is a huge factor, on a reasonable resign he can be a piece for the future.

What would be a "reasonable" contract in the Celtics' eyes that Simons would at least give a little thought to?

$22MM/yr average
$20MM/yr average
$17MM/yr average
$15MM/yr average

I don't think Simons would consider anything below $20MM/yr. 

And it sounds like most of you don't think the C's should offer anything more than say $15MM/yr.

In that case all this talk of keeping Simons is moot and in your eyes he should be traded.

[CFAN38]

In my opinion, keeping Simons is only viable if he signs a team-friendly deal longer term.

If they have a sense that he would be willing to re-sign to something much smaller than his current $27 million per year, then maybe it's worth considering. But if that's not possible, they might be better served using him as a trade piece.

The other point of your post -- namely drafting a big regardless of what else is available -- is something I'm fine with. More than likely they'll be picking around 20-25 anyway. History tells us it's a crapshoot at that point.

Agree with Simons the resign is a huge factor, on a reasonable resign he can be a piece for the future.

What would be a "reasonable" contract in the Celtics' eyes that Simons would at least give a little thought to?

$22MM/yr average
$20MM/yr average
$17MM/yr average
$15MM/yr average

I don't think Simons would consider anything below $20MM/yr. 

And it sounds like most of you don't think the C's should offer anything more than say $15MM/yr.

In that case all this talk of keeping Simons is moot and in your eyes he should be traded.

Simons contract is really tough to predict. In 2024 Malik Monk signed 4yr/78mill with the Kings, I really dont know what the market looks like for a Simons type player? Is the Cs offer 15mill per who makes him a better offer? Does a team go over 20mill per?

The other piece of the trade/resign Simons that I find myself debating is his role vs PP role when Tatum returns. 

With Tatum back do the Cs start PP, White, Brown, Tatum and Queta or does Walsh/Hugo develop into a 20-25mpg starter who with PP playing a higher minute higher usage role off the bench? If PP goes back to the bench Simons becomes redundant.