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Re: Simmons Trade Idea: BOS/SAC/LAC
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2025, 07:07:48 PM »

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Keith Smith chiming in on this.

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This trade isn't even close to legal. Clippers are currently about $1.3M under their first-apron hard cap. This trade has them taking on over $10M in salary.

I once again recommend using our Trade Machine on
@spotrac
! We also have an Apple app version!

That said, I think Spotrac also has a flaw in their app with teams between the first and second aprons (like the Celtics).  Isn?t the rule that we cannot take back more than 110% of outgoing salary?  It gave me an error earlier today when I was trying to get Sabonis because I was taking in more than was going out, even though it was within the 110% rule.

Fanspo trade machine has BOS restricted to only 100% of outgoing also, not 110%.  I don't know what the CBA says specifically though.

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Transition Traded Player Exception. During the 2023-24
Salary Cap Year only, and subject to the rules set forth in
Section 2(e) above: a Team may use the ?Transition Traded
Player Exception? to replace one (1) or more Traded Players
with one (1) or more Replacement Players whose Player
Contracts are acquired simultaneously and whose post-trade
Salaries for the 2023-24 Salary Cap Year, in the aggregate,
are no more than an amount equal to one hundred ten
percent (110%) of the pre-trade Salaries of the Traded
Player(s), plus $250,000

The 110% rule was just for 2023-2024 it looks.

Was it?  This article from this June by NBC Sports Boston says otherwise:

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nba/second-apron-nba-cba-explained/716143/?amp=1

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What are the second apron penalties in the NBA?

These are the key penalties for teams in the first apron and second apron:

First apron:

Sign-and-trades are not permitted if the player acquired keeps the team above the apron.
Cannot sign players who were waived during the regular season if their salary was above the $12.2 million mid-level exception.
Salary matching in trades has to be within 110% instead of the 125% teams in good standing get.
Second apron:

Includes all first-apron penalties
Cannot have access to the MLE in free agency or absorbing contracts.
Cannot trade first-round picks from seven years out.
Cannot use trade exceptions from previous years.
Cannot use cash in trades.
First round pick moves straight to the end of the first round if the team stays in the second apron for three of five years.

You would think the media outlet part-owned by the Celtics explaining why the Celtics were massively cutting payroll would get that detail correct.

Re: Simmons Trade Idea: BOS/SAC/LAC
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2025, 11:25:37 AM »

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The C's say no for sure.  Comparing Monk vs Simons, I think Simons is the better (younger) player.

I kind of agree with you, but it is not a bad trade by any measure.   Monk has improved a lot but his shooting is still suspect at 33% from the three.

Re: Simmons Trade Idea: BOS/SAC/LAC
« Reply #17 on: Today at 04:58:49 PM »

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Yeah, league says no first - it is hard for any app and us as fans to navigate exactly how close various teams are to hard caps, but the Clippers are really close. To make it work on spotrac (and even that may not be accurate), the Clippers would have to throw in Derrick Jones Jr to the Kings. That itself puts the Kings taking back too much salary, so you have to throw in a minimum contract going to Boston - I picked French rookie center Maxine Reynaud, a second round pick (as many of us know having looked at available second round centers). I didn't pick him for any skill reasons, he might be okay, maybe not, I don't know, I just picked him because he has the lowest salary. That's what you have to do to make it work.

For Celtics, I have been going back and forth recently on what to do with Simons. He is fine. Shooting pretty efficiently, but I genuinely do not care whether he is on the team or not. I think he is better than Monk but I would not want to pay either guy more than $12 million a year. So I am not pumped about the idea of paying Monk $20 and $21.5 the next two years. Financially, adding Monk and Reynaud would cut salary this year by $7.6 million, putting the Celtics below the first apron, and about $4.5 million above the tax line, reducing the tax bill for this year by $26 million. But next year, the Celtics currently project to have somewhere in the neighborhood of $15-20 million available below the tax level, $25-30 below the first apron, depending on draft slot and raises, for 12 guys under NBA contract next year (this year's 14 minus Simons, Tillman, Boucher plus a first rounder). Monk and Reynaud would push the roster to 14 and probably put the Celtics a little above the first apron, and also probably pushing them a little above the first apron for 27-28, when they will have (barring other moves and including 26 and 27 first rounders) 11 players, and Queta, Minott and Walsh will all be free agents.

The advantage of Monk MAY be having a sizable contract to trade next year to try to get a better big to back up, play alongside, or play ahead of Queta. Simons might be willing to come back at $10-12 million this summer, which would not give you as much salary to trade but at better value and more potential intrigue for another team, but Simons may also prefer to go somewhere he thinks he has a better chance at more playing time. He has gone from a 32+ mpg guy to 24. And when Tatum comes back - do the Cs switch to a starting lineup of White-Brown-Walsh-Tatum-Queta and have both Simons and Pritchard coming off the bench? If so, Simons usage will take a hit. He is probably not even the sixth man here when Tatum returns. So there is a good chance of a large salary space walking. They could still get one in with the trade exceptions but it might be complicated with apron rules. If Monk only had one extra year, I think I would probably do it - the $26 million in luxury tax savings this year would more than pay for Monk next year while adding a dice roll on another young center. But with two years, nah.

I do not care about the other teams but I do not think the Clippers would take on all that extra salary next year for Lavine.
Go Celtics.