If Jrue is to be traded...ideas

[tazzmaniac]

If Houston resigns Steven Adams, can they immediately trade him along with another player?

How about Jrue to Houston for Adams and Tari Eason?

Houston might do it if they see Eason as redundant with Thompson and thinks they're players are good enough to compete for a championship next year if they get that patented Jrue Holiday championship-caliber veteran know-how. Maybe the Celtics need to throw in a pick.

I couldn't get it to work in the fanspo trade machine.  Brooks and Eason for Jrue works.  Even if it did work, Adams would have to get at least a 3 year deal on a sign and trade.

[Birdman]

Brooks & Eason for Holiday would work but I really don?t want Brooks

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Here's a ridiculous one. This one started as a fake trade with my friend who is a Spurs fan. He wanted Jaylen Brown, and said he'd do Vassell, Castle, and the 2nd overall pick for him. The idea snowballed from there.

Celtics trade: Holiday, Brown, 25 28th pick, 25 32nd pick
Celtics receive: Vassell, Castle, Washington, and the 1st overall pick Flagg
The reasons are pretty evident for this trade. They get out of the 2nd apron. They refill their team with solid veterans and Flagg and Castle.

Spurs trade: Vassell, Castle, Johnson, 2nd overall pick
Spurs receive: Brown
According to my friend, he thought Brown was the best player for the Celtics in their championship run. He was excited about pairing Brown with Fox and Wemby and was hopeful about their ability to contend over the next few years.

Mavs trade: Washington, Thompson, Gafford, Marshall, Christie, Hardy, Prosper, Williams, Martin, Powell, 1st overall pick
Maves receive: Holliday and Durant, 25 28th pick, 25 32nd pick
The Mavs aren't trading the 1st overall pick, but if they were it would only be for a superstar player. I'm not as high on Durant anymore as many are, but he's been linked to them in the past. Their starting 5 is Davis-Lively-Durant-Holliday with Kyrie when he gets back. They fill out the roster with vet signings and the Celtics picks this year.

Suns trade: Durant
Suns receive: 25 2nd overall pick, Martin, Hardy, Marshall, Gafford, Thompson
The Suns get multiple solid veterans that can be flipped into other assets or used as they retool around Booker. The 2nd overall pick gives them a talent infusion.

Nets trade: nothing of consequence
Nets receive: Johnson, Williams, Prosper, Powell, Christie
The nets get multiple young players for participating in the trade.

Where to start? This trade is nuts on a lot of levels. Technically the numbers work, but the logic breaks down in several places. It went from the Celtics getting the 2nd pick to "how much would it take to flip that into the 1st pick?" to "wait the Mavs have been linked to Durant and Holliday in the past" to "the Nets need to be in this trade just to make it work."

Still, fun to think through as I tried to break the trade machine.

[tazzmaniac]

Here's a ridiculous one. This one started as a fake trade with my friend who is a Spurs fan. He wanted Jaylen Brown, and said he'd do Vassell, Castle, and the 2nd overall pick for him. The idea snowballed from there.

Celtics trade: Holiday, Brown, 25 28th pick, 25 32nd pick
Celtics receive: Vassell, Castle, Washington, and the 1st overall pick Flagg
The reasons are pretty evident for this trade. They get out of the 2nd apron. They refill their team with solid veterans and Flagg and Castle.

Spurs trade: Vassell, Castle, Johnson, 2nd overall pick
Spurs receive: Brown
According to my friend, he thought Brown was the best player for the Celtics in their championship run. He was excited about pairing Brown with Fox and Wemby and was hopeful about their ability to contend over the next few years.

Mavs trade: Washington, Thompson, Gafford, Marshall, Christie, Hardy, Prosper, Williams, Martin, Powell, 1st overall pick
Maves receive: Holliday and Durant, 25 28th pick, 25 32nd pick
The Mavs aren't trading the 1st overall pick, but if they were it would only be for a superstar player. I'm not as high on Durant anymore as many are, but he's been linked to them in the past. Their starting 5 is Davis-Lively-Durant-Holliday with Kyrie when he gets back. They fill out the roster with vet signings and the Celtics picks this year.

Suns trade: Durant
Suns receive: 25 2nd overall pick, Martin, Hardy, Marshall, Gafford, Thompson
The Suns get multiple solid veterans that can be flipped into other assets or used as they retool around Booker. The 2nd overall pick gives them a talent infusion.

Nets trade: nothing of consequence
Nets receive: Johnson, Williams, Prosper, Powell, Christie
The nets get multiple young players for participating in the trade.

Where to start? This trade is nuts on a lot of levels. Technically the numbers work, but the logic breaks down in several places. It went from the Celtics getting the 2nd pick to "how much would it take to flip that into the 1st pick?" to "wait the Mavs have been linked to Durant and Holliday in the past" to "the Nets need to be in this trade just to make it work."

Still, fun to think through as I tried to break the trade machine.

If the Mavs GM trades the #1 pick, Flagg, for a soon-to-be 37 year old Durant, he'd be tarred and feathered, lynched and I don't even want to speculate what would be done with his dead body.  They'd be in 2nd apron hell with just the starting lineup being at 192M or so. 

Celtics make a killing.  Vassell and Castle and Flagg for Brown and get under the 2nd apron.  Are you kidding me?  You don't even include future firsts. 

[Who]

Here's a ridiculous one. This one started as a fake trade with my friend who is a Spurs fan. He wanted Jaylen Brown, and said he'd do Vassell, Castle, and the 2nd overall pick for him. The idea snowballed from there.

Celtics trade: Holiday, Brown, 25 28th pick, 25 32nd pick
Celtics receive: Vassell, Castle, Washington, and the 1st overall pick Flagg
The reasons are pretty evident for this trade. They get out of the 2nd apron. They refill their team with solid veterans and Flagg and Castle.

Spurs trade: Vassell, Castle, Johnson, 2nd overall pick
Spurs receive: Brown
According to my friend, he thought Brown was the best player for the Celtics in their championship run. He was excited about pairing Brown with Fox and Wemby and was hopeful about their ability to contend over the next few years.

Mavs trade: Washington, Thompson, Gafford, Marshall, Christie, Hardy, Prosper, Williams, Martin, Powell, 1st overall pick
Maves receive: Holliday and Durant, 25 28th pick, 25 32nd pick
The Mavs aren't trading the 1st overall pick, but if they were it would only be for a superstar player. I'm not as high on Durant anymore as many are, but he's been linked to them in the past. Their starting 5 is Davis-Lively-Durant-Holliday with Kyrie when he gets back. They fill out the roster with vet signings and the Celtics picks this year.

Suns trade: Durant
Suns receive: 25 2nd overall pick, Martin, Hardy, Marshall, Gafford, Thompson
The Suns get multiple solid veterans that can be flipped into other assets or used as they retool around Booker. The 2nd overall pick gives them a talent infusion.

Nets trade: nothing of consequence
Nets receive: Johnson, Williams, Prosper, Powell, Christie
The nets get multiple young players for participating in the trade.

Where to start? This trade is nuts on a lot of levels. Technically the numbers work, but the logic breaks down in several places. It went from the Celtics getting the 2nd pick to "how much would it take to flip that into the 1st pick?" to "wait the Mavs have been linked to Durant and Holliday in the past" to "the Nets need to be in this trade just to make it work."

Still, fun to think through as I tried to break the trade machine.

If the Mavs GM trades the #1 pick, Flagg, for a soon-to-be 37 year old Durant, he'd be tarred and feathered, lynched and I don't even want to speculate what would be done with his dead body.  They'd be in 2nd apron hell with just the starting lineup being at 192M or so. 

Celtics make a killing.  Vassell and Castle and Flagg for Brown and get under the 2nd apron.  Are you kidding me?  You don't even include future firsts.

Fun giant trade idea.

Yeah, I agree with Tazz that Durant doesn't have enough trade value to get the #1 pick / Cooper Flagg. Just too old.

Jaylen Instead of Durant

I think you could make a case for trading the #1 pick for Jaylen but not for Durant.

The question with Jaylen would be "is he good enough" + "how good would the team be with Jaylen". So even if Jaylen is not quite good enough for a 1-for-1 swap, is the team so good after getting Jaylen that you do it anyway because it guarantees a 3-5 year Championship window. A thoroughbred of a contender. AD, Kyrie, Jaylen + great strength in depth.

I wouldn't trade Flagg for Jaylen if I were Dallas but it is at least something I would have to stop and think about. No need to think about Durant though. Just too old. Not worth it.

Kevin Durant

In general, I think Durant is considered (by fans & media) to have trade value far beyond what it should be. He is 37 years old. Teams shouldn't be giving up a massive bounty for a guy that has 2-3 years left in him. And is a major injury risk for those 2-3 years. You could easily come up empty.

I don't think Durant should net any blue chip picks / prospects / young talent in return. He is too old. I wouldn't give up an All-Star caliber player in his prime for Durant either. Only an older All-Star or a sub-All-Star player in his 20s.

I would be thinking a Zach LaVine level player or something like that would be fair value for Durant given his age.

Spurs & Jaylen Trade Part

I don't think you could get all 3 pieces but 2 of the 3 pieces for Jaylen looks more reasonable. The #2 pick or Stephon Castle + Devin Vassell for Jaylen.

I don't know that you could get the #2 pick & S Castle together even if you left out Devin Vassell. That would be tempting if you could. Two star guards in the making for Jaylen. Big versatile. New window that stretches for the rest of Tatum's career. A bit like how Tim Duncan got Manu & T Parker. Tatum would get S Castle & Dylan Harper. And have this 2nd period of his career with a huge amount of winning.

If you can only get 1 of the 2 star guard prospects, plus Devin Vassell, I am not sure it is worth it. I would view that more as a cap dump type trade. Dump Jaylen's contract to get below the 2nd Apron and rebuild. In that type of a deal, it would be a good return. A very good return - because you get a star prospect in return in the form of S Castle or Dylan Harper. I am not sure I would do it on strictly a talent basis though. Win-now team with Jaylen trumps a prospect who may or may not become a high level star.

Devin Vassell

I do like Devin Vassell. I haven't always been fan but he has won me over. Nice well-rounded SG. He can score some. He can shoot some. He can handle the ball a bit. He can pass a bit. He can defend a bit. The type of guy who is 6/10 or 7/10 at most skills. He is a nice piece for San Antonio. I thought they under-utilized him last season. And played him out of position far too often. He is a one position guy. His value lowers significantly once you ask him to try and play SF.

Vassell reminds me of 90s SGs like Hersey Hawkins. Maybe not big time 3rd options (in terms of individual shot-creation, being a 20-25ppg threat) but rock solid all round players. High skill levels. Well rounded. The types of guys that title contenders love to have as their 3rd/4th option. Two way player.

[Phantom255x]

The 2 ideas I support

1. Jrue + a 2nd round pick for Gafford + Hardy

2. Jrue + two future seconds (or 1 protected first rounder) for DeRozan + Ellis (I am VERY high on Ellis, personally)

[slightly biased bias fan]

Lonzo Ball, Jrue Holiday, and Chris Paul are names to watch for the Dallas Mavericks, per Marc Stein.
 

League sources say Dallas is expected to at least explore whether there are any feasible trade pathways to Boston's Jrue Holiday complicated as that would likely be given the three years and $104 million still left on Holiday's contract while also maintaining an interest in a far more reasonable trade target as we've discussed on the DLLS Mavs podcast: Lonzo Ball. Another name to monitor for Dallas: Chris Paul. The free agent-to-be just turned 40 on May 6, but Paul also just played (and started) 82 games in his maiden season as a San Antonio Spur.

[mef730]

Here's a ridiculous one. This one started as a fake trade with my friend who is a Spurs fan. He wanted Jaylen Brown, and said he'd do Vassell, Castle, and the 2nd overall pick for him. The idea snowballed from there.

Celtics trade: Holiday, Brown, 25 28th pick, 25 32nd pick
Celtics receive: Vassell, Castle, Washington, and the 1st overall pick Flagg
The reasons are pretty evident for this trade. They get out of the 2nd apron. They refill their team with solid veterans and Flagg and Castle.

Spurs trade: Vassell, Castle, Johnson, 2nd overall pick
Spurs receive: Brown
According to my friend, he thought Brown was the best player for the Celtics in their championship run. He was excited about pairing Brown with Fox and Wemby and was hopeful about their ability to contend over the next few years.

Mavs trade: Washington, Thompson, Gafford, Marshall, Christie, Hardy, Prosper, Williams, Martin, Powell, 1st overall pick
Maves receive: Holliday and Durant, 25 28th pick, 25 32nd pick
The Mavs aren't trading the 1st overall pick, but if they were it would only be for a superstar player. I'm not as high on Durant anymore as many are, but he's been linked to them in the past. Their starting 5 is Davis-Lively-Durant-Holliday with Kyrie when he gets back. They fill out the roster with vet signings and the Celtics picks this year.

Suns trade: Durant
Suns receive: 25 2nd overall pick, Martin, Hardy, Marshall, Gafford, Thompson
The Suns get multiple solid veterans that can be flipped into other assets or used as they retool around Booker. The 2nd overall pick gives them a talent infusion.

Nets trade: nothing of consequence
Nets receive: Johnson, Williams, Prosper, Powell, Christie
The nets get multiple young players for participating in the trade.

Where to start? This trade is nuts on a lot of levels. Technically the numbers work, but the logic breaks down in several places. It went from the Celtics getting the 2nd pick to "how much would it take to flip that into the 1st pick?" to "wait the Mavs have been linked to Durant and Holliday in the past" to "the Nets need to be in this trade just to make it work."

Still, fun to think through as I tried to break the trade machine.

TP for such a fun trade.

[tazzmaniac]

The 2 ideas I support

1. Jrue + a 2nd round pick for Gafford + Hardy

2. Jrue + two future seconds (or 1 protected first rounder) for DeRozan + Ellis (I am VERY high on Ellis, personally)

For the Kings, don't really want DeRozan.  I'd rather do: 
Jrue for Valanciunas, Ellis, Jones and Murray with Murray rerouted to another team. 
This would save 18M and leave us just above the 2nd apron.  Trading Hauser would then put us well below the 2nd apron. 

[celticinorlando]

If Jrue is moved to Dallas, Gafford will be one of the pieces for sure. After that , I would insist Hardy is included.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

If Jrue is moved to Dallas, Gafford will be one of the pieces for sure. After that , I would insist Hardy is included.

I think Washington is more likely on the outside. With Davis wanting to play at the 4 and Cooper Flagg likely coming in, there just isn't room for Washington.

I prefer him anyway if we trade for someone.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

The 2 ideas I support

1. Jrue + a 2nd round pick for Gafford + Hardy

2. Jrue + two future seconds (or 1 protected first rounder) for DeRozan + Ellis (I am VERY high on Ellis, personally)

I like Ellis too. Every time I watched the Kings play these last two seasons, he popped off the screen to me. I'm curious to see what he actually becomes, but he's a good player.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I've now heard of 3 distinct rumors about different teams that are interested in Jrue - Dallas, LA Clippers, and the Kings. There are sure to be more.

I really don't think we are going to need to dump him. I think it is reasonable to hope for a good young prospect (or a solid role player) and a first with the cap relief.

[Phantom255x]

Would you guys do this trade for Jrue?



The idea here is, you keep Porzingis, trade away Hauser somewhere, and roll with basically a similar team except Jrue is replaced by Bogdanovic who is also about 15M cheaper (and a lot more in luxury tax savings)

Me personally I still would rather do the two that I posted above with either Dallas or Sacramento. If we want to potentially replace Jrue with another player that has talent, DeRozan might honestly be the best possible guy and it's great if you can also pry away Ellis. Or you can just be fine taking back young role player-type talent + potentially pick(s) or filler. I like Gafford too though he's "less talented" than DeRozan but probably a better long term fit including age.

[Who]

Would you guys do this trade for Jrue?



The idea here is, you keep Porzingis, trade away Hauser somewhere, and roll with basically a similar team except Jrue is replaced by Bogdanovic who is also about 15M cheaper (and a lot more in luxury tax savings)

Me personally I still would rather do the two that I posted above with either Dallas or Sacramento. If we want to potentially replace Jrue with another player that has talent, DeRozan might honestly be the best possible guy and it's great if you can also pry away Ellis. Or you can just be fine taking back young role player-type talent + potentially pick(s) or filler. I like Gafford too though he's "less talented" than DeRozan but probably a better long term fit including age.

As a cap dump? Yeah. It is a solid return. A useful rotation player plus large cap savings. Good return.

G: D White, Pritchard
G: Hauser, Scheierman
F: Jaylen, Bogdanovic
F: [Tatum], Horford
C: Porzingis, Kornet, Queta

I would want to keep Hauser to be our starting SG. Keep Bogdanovic for a 6th man SG/SF role. Two offensive difference makers off the bench in Pritchard and Bogdanovic.

Not real comfortable with Bogdanovic as a starting SG. Too vulnerable on defense. Jrue leaves a sizeable gap there as starter in the backcourt. I trust Hauser the most to fill it. Pritchard may be the next best option.

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I like Gafford the most out of the three. I am not pushed much either way on DeRozan or Bogdanovic. Do not like either one. Empty calories type players. Gafford impacts winning the most.