If Jrue is to be traded...ideas

[Who]

another idea to toss out there. Per Fanspo trade checker this would save the Cs 17.4 million

Celtics: Jonathan Issac + #16 via Orlando

Magic: Jrue Holiday + #36 via Orlando

Nets: Cole Anthony + Gary Harris


Cs: get a potential nice Al role replacement in Issac and a nice draft asset. Cs could use the pick in another trade for a player or package #16+#28+Hauser to move up further into the lottery.

Magic: Trading for Jrue is a move to take advantage of Tatum being out and Giannis likely getting moved.

Nets: Depending on how they build their roster Cole Anthony could be very productive for them.

Jonathon Isaac had such a bad season for Orlando. I wouldn't go after him. Not worth the risk.

Only played 15 minutes a game last year. 5ppg 4rpg. He shot only 41% FG and 26% 3PT. His defense was very good but his offense was so bad that it was hard for Orlando to keep him on the court.

I also doubt how well his body would hold up if he was asked to play more minutes. I think he is a "stay away from".

[slightly biased bias fan]

The Kings are expected to show interest in Jrue Holiday, per Brett Siegel

[Phantom255x]

The Kings are expected to show interest in Jrue Holiday, per Brett Siegel

I've seen some rumors say DeRozan, or Jrue + KP for Lavine, Keon Ellis + pick(s). Along those lines. I'm not a huge DeRozan fan but I can live with it, his lethal mid-range scoring ability might be a fresh change from just every single guy jacking up 3s. And it's not like anyone is asking him to be an alpha or even a #2 here. If you can pry someone like Ellis in a trade though that'd be awesome. Everyone talks about spacing issues but idk, sometimes I feel like this team has trouble generating shots especially when Tatum isn't playing. DeRozan is capable of doing that.

[CFAN38]

Another Trade idea

Celtics get PJ Washington (or Gafford)

Dallas gets Cole Anthony

Orlando gets Holiday and Hauser

Nets get Caldwell-Pope, Bitadze, and #25 from Magic

[keevsnick]

The Kings are expected to show interest in Jrue Holiday, per Brett Siegel

I've seen some rumors say DeRozan, or Jrue + KP for Lavine, Keon Ellis + pick(s). Along those lines. I'm not a huge DeRozan fan but I can live with it, his lethal mid-range scoring ability might be a fresh change from just every single guy jacking up 3s. And it's not like anyone is asking him to be an alpha or even a #2 here. If you can pry someone like Ellis in a trade though that'd be awesome. Everyone talks about spacing issues but idk, sometimes I feel like this team has trouble generating shots especially when Tatum isn't playing. DeRozan is capable of doing that.

If Tatum wasn't injured I wouldn't have much interest in DeRozen. But with Tatum more than likely out all of next year getting another player who can reliably create their own shot and is pretty much always healthy isn't the worst idea in the world.

[Phantom255x]

The Kings are expected to show interest in Jrue Holiday, per Brett Siegel

I've seen some rumors say DeRozan, or Jrue + KP for Lavine, Keon Ellis + pick(s). Along those lines. I'm not a huge DeRozan fan but I can live with it, his lethal mid-range scoring ability might be a fresh change from just every single guy jacking up 3s. And it's not like anyone is asking him to be an alpha or even a #2 here. If you can pry someone like Ellis in a trade though that'd be awesome. Everyone talks about spacing issues but idk, sometimes I feel like this team has trouble generating shots especially when Tatum isn't playing. DeRozan is capable of doing that.

If Tatum wasn't injured I wouldn't have much interest in DeRozen. But with Tatum more than likely out all of next year getting another player who can reliably create their own shot and is pretty much always healthy isn't the worst idea in the world.

I'd give up Jrue and 2 future seconds (or one future protected 1st) for DeRozan + Ellis

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Brown + Holliday for Lavine, Murray, Ellis and a future 1st

Kings have DeRozan-Brown-Holliday-Sabonis-Hauser with Jonas and some subs off the bench. I'd argue that team is much better equipped to be a playoff team.

For the Celtics, I confess that I've long been a Zach Lavine fan. I've long thought that in the right situation, he could be number 2 on a championship team. He's always played in bad situations, and was a number 2 to Derozan (who himself is a fringe number 2 option) for years and years on mediocre teams. I think Lavine could be really good in a good team system. Ellis fills in for Holliday. Murray fills in for an injured Tatum.

Lavine-White-Murray-Zinger-Tatum with Ellis-Horford-Pritchard off the bench. We inject a bit more youth into our team. But most importantly, we are out 2nd apron.

[tazzmaniac]

Brown + Holliday for Lavine, Murray, Ellis and a future 1st

Kings have DeRozan-Brown-Holliday-Sabonis-Hauser with Jonas and some subs off the bench. I'd argue that team is much better equipped to be a playoff team.

For the Celtics, I confess that I've long been a Zach Lavine fan. I've long thought that in the right situation, he could be number 2 on a championship team. He's always played in bad situations, and was a number 2 to Derozan (who himself is a fringe number 2 option) for years and years on mediocre teams. I think Lavine could be really good in a good team system. Ellis fills in for Holliday. Murray fills in for an injured Tatum.

Lavine-White-Murray-Zinger-Tatum with Ellis-Horford-Pritchard off the bench. We inject a bit more youth into our team. But most importantly, we are out 2nd apron.

That trade doesn't work.  Celtics would have to take on more than 9M additional salary which would if workable put them well above the 2nd apron.  Don't want Lavine.  When has he ever contributed to winning?   

[CFAN38]

The Kings are expected to show interest in Jrue Holiday, per Brett Siegel

Interesting rumor given that Sac can be a bit of a front office wild card.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Brown + Holliday for Lavine, Murray, Ellis and a future 1st

Kings have DeRozan-Brown-Holliday-Sabonis-Hauser with Jonas and some subs off the bench. I'd argue that team is much better equipped to be a playoff team.

For the Celtics, I confess that I've long been a Zach Lavine fan. I've long thought that in the right situation, he could be number 2 on a championship team. He's always played in bad situations, and was a number 2 to Derozan (who himself is a fringe number 2 option) for years and years on mediocre teams. I think Lavine could be really good in a good team system. Ellis fills in for Holliday. Murray fills in for an injured Tatum.

Lavine-White-Murray-Zinger-Tatum with Ellis-Horford-Pritchard off the bench. We inject a bit more youth into our team. But most importantly, we are out 2nd apron.

That trade doesn't work.  Celtics would have to take on more than 9M additional salary which would if workable put them well above the 2nd apron.  Don't want Lavine.  When has he ever contributed to winning?   

Sorry - left off the part with Monk going to the Nets. Sorry.

[Roy H.]

BOS receives:  Jonas V.

WAS receives:  Monk

ATL receives:  Smart

SAC received: Jrue

Saves $22 million, adds a stretch center if we trade KP

[tazzmaniac]

Brown + Holliday for Lavine, Murray, Ellis and a future 1st

Kings have DeRozan-Brown-Holliday-Sabonis-Hauser with Jonas and some subs off the bench. I'd argue that team is much better equipped to be a playoff team.

For the Celtics, I confess that I've long been a Zach Lavine fan. I've long thought that in the right situation, he could be number 2 on a championship team. He's always played in bad situations, and was a number 2 to Derozan (who himself is a fringe number 2 option) for years and years on mediocre teams. I think Lavine could be really good in a good team system. Ellis fills in for Holliday. Murray fills in for an injured Tatum.

Lavine-White-Murray-Zinger-Tatum with Ellis-Horford-Pritchard off the bench. We inject a bit more youth into our team. But most importantly, we are out 2nd apron.

That trade doesn't work.  Celtics would have to take on more than 9M additional salary which would if workable put them well above the 2nd apron.  Don't want Lavine.  When has he ever contributed to winning?   

Sorry - left off the part with Monk going to the Nets. Sorry.

The one thing all these trade proposals does is show the Nets are sitting pretty with all that cap space. 

I just noticed your proposed Kings starters includes Hauser.  Is trading Hauser part of your trade? 

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Brown + Holliday for Lavine, Murray, Ellis and a future 1st

Kings have DeRozan-Brown-Holliday-Sabonis-Hauser with Jonas and some subs off the bench. I'd argue that team is much better equipped to be a playoff team.

For the Celtics, I confess that I've long been a Zach Lavine fan. I've long thought that in the right situation, he could be number 2 on a championship team. He's always played in bad situations, and was a number 2 to Derozan (who himself is a fringe number 2 option) for years and years on mediocre teams. I think Lavine could be really good in a good team system. Ellis fills in for Holliday. Murray fills in for an injured Tatum.

Lavine-White-Murray-Zinger-Tatum with Ellis-Horford-Pritchard off the bench. We inject a bit more youth into our team. But most importantly, we are out 2nd apron.

That trade doesn't work.  Celtics would have to take on more than 9M additional salary which would if workable put them well above the 2nd apron.  Don't want Lavine.  When has he ever contributed to winning?   

Sorry - left off the part with Monk going to the Nets. Sorry.

The one thing all these trade proposals does is show the Nets are sitting pretty with all that cap space. 

I just noticed your proposed Kings starters includes Hauser.  Is trading Hauser part of your trade?

Yeah sorry - got caught between two trade ideas, one with Hauser and one without. This one did include Hauser. 

There's different iterations that work. This one gets us a lot space and some youth.

[Who]

Brown + Holliday for Lavine, Murray, Ellis and a future 1st

Kings have DeRozan-Brown-Holliday-Sabonis-Hauser with Jonas and some subs off the bench. I'd argue that team is much better equipped to be a playoff team.

For the Celtics, I confess that I've long been a Zach Lavine fan. I've long thought that in the right situation, he could be number 2 on a championship team. He's always played in bad situations, and was a number 2 to Derozan (who himself is a fringe number 2 option) for years and years on mediocre teams. I think Lavine could be really good in a good team system. Ellis fills in for Holliday. Murray fills in for an injured Tatum.

Lavine-White-Murray-Zinger-Tatum with Ellis-Horford-Pritchard off the bench. We inject a bit more youth into our team. But most importantly, we are out 2nd apron.

Are Jrue and Jaylen the 2 best players in the trade?

Kings

I agree. Better Sac-squad.

G: Jrue
G: Hauser
F: DeRozan
F: Jaylen
C: D Sabonis

Good improvement for Sacramento. Jrue is a big improvement for their perimeter defense. Hauser & Jaylen are an upgrade defensively over LaVine and K Murray. So a more well-rounded Kings squad.

Still a bit dodgy. So probably not more than a 45 win team and hoping for a play-in spot in the West. There will be 10-12 teams vying for those play-in spots so not even guaranteed but a good shot at getting it.

Still have a lack of a big forward. Still playing two small forwards alongside D Sabonis who needs a big defensive forward to help him since he is a minus defender. So the frontcourt is still dodgy as a defensive & rebounding unit.

A lack of quickness, driving, and playmaking on offense from the perimeter. Hauser a spot up shooter. Jrue a below average PG in terms of those attributes. DeRozan and Jaylen as your two perimeter playmakers is not convincing. So Sabonis will have to knit together the offense and try to make the parts work.

I would enjoy watching the squad. Jaylen will play off of Sabonis' passing better than LaVine does. LaVine and DeRozan together have disrupted their pretty offensive sets. Jrue and Jaylen will both play well off of Sabonis.

Celtics

G: D White, Pritchard
G: Z LaVine, K Ellis
F: Keegan Murray
F: [Tatum] Horford
C: Porzingis

It feels like we are becoming the Sacramento Kings. At least while Tatum is out. Well ... a Kings team without D Sabonis.

I think that squad struggles to get to 35 wins without Tatum. Will be outside the playoff spots and play-in spots.

The Zach LaVine and Keegan Murray wing duo is soft defensively. It is one thing to absorb one of them but both together create a lot of issues for the defense & the rebounding.

Questionable level of passing without Tatum. Porzingis not much of a passer. Zach LaVine a mediocre passer. Keegan Murray a limited passer. Horford is a willing ball mover but not a creative passer particularly at PF. Lack of ball-handling & passing. D White far and away the best at both and you do not want D White as your best ball-handler & passer. He is secondary playmaker at best.

Good levels of shooting which should make it a good offensive squad but the lack of handles & passing will make it more susceptible to struggles against good defensive squads.

Tatum is needed to make it work on both ends. The team would be a hard watch while Tatum is injured.

.... it does feel like we would becoming the Sacramento Kings.

[Big333223]

If Houston resigns Steven Adams, can they immediately trade him along with another player?

How about Jrue to Houston for Adams and Tari Eason?

Houston might do it if they see Eason as redundant with Thompson and thinks they're players are good enough to compete for a championship next year if they get that patented Jrue Holiday championship-caliber veteran know-how. Maybe the Celtics need to throw in a pick.