If Jrue is to be traded...ideas

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Would you guys do this trade for Jrue?



The idea here is, you keep Porzingis, trade away Hauser somewhere, and roll with basically a similar team except Jrue is replaced by Bogdanovic who is also about 15M cheaper (and a lot more in luxury tax savings)

Me personally I still would rather do the two that I posted above with either Dallas or Sacramento. If we want to potentially replace Jrue with another player that has talent, DeRozan might honestly be the best possible guy and it's great if you can also pry away Ellis. Or you can just be fine taking back young role player-type talent + potentially pick(s) or filler. I like Gafford too though he's "less talented" than DeRozan but probably a better long term fit including age.

No for a lot of reasons. This is not a fair return. Bogdon is not a good player anymore. It does not save us enough cap space.

I genuinely believe we are undervaluing Holliday's value around the league.

[Birdman]

Holiday gotta be hard to trade with that contract & his age plus he didn?t have a great season

[Indocelts]

I personally would like to keep both Jrue and KP. JB and Hauser are the ones I would consider to trade. I just don't think having 2 inefficient 3pt shooters (JT and JB) fits the current Mazulla's style that shoots almost 50 3pta per game. His high turnovers and salary don't help either.
Hauser shooting and defense regress to a point that he has little value to the team, imo.

[celticinorlando]

The trade with the clippers is absolutely horrible

[slamtheking]

I personally would like to keep both Jrue and KP. JB and Hauser are the ones I would consider to trade. I just don't think having 2 inefficient 3pt shooters (JT and JB) fits the current Mazulla's style that shoots almost 50 3pta per game. His high turnovers and salary don't help either.
Hauser shooting and defense regress to a point that he has little value to the team, imo.

if your reason for moving JB is Joe's style, you move Joe, not JB

[Who]

Would you guys do this trade for Jrue?



The idea here is, you keep Porzingis, trade away Hauser somewhere, and roll with basically a similar team except Jrue is replaced by Bogdanovic who is also about 15M cheaper (and a lot more in luxury tax savings)

Me personally I still would rather do the two that I posted above with either Dallas or Sacramento. If we want to potentially replace Jrue with another player that has talent, DeRozan might honestly be the best possible guy and it's great if you can also pry away Ellis. Or you can just be fine taking back young role player-type talent + potentially pick(s) or filler. I like Gafford too though he's "less talented" than DeRozan but probably a better long term fit including age.

No for a lot of reasons. This is not a fair return. Bogdon is not a good player anymore. It does not save us enough cap space.

I genuinely believe we are undervaluing Holliday's value around the league.

I think Bogdanovic is the same player he has always been.

He has never been a guy who moves the needle much. He has always been a bad defensive player who hurts you on that end of the floor. He has been a minimal rebounder. A marginal ball-handler and passer. A streaky contributor who only has a positive impact on his team when his shot is falling. And if it is not falling, he is a net negative (as he was in the playoffs this year for LAC). He has some shot creation but it is middling. He has always been susceptible to being shut down.

A guy whose reputation has always been bigger than his capabilities. Rated for being a 15ppg in 28mpg off the bench with good shooting numbers but in reality a bad defender + streaky offensive player who is only useful when his outside shot is falling because he cannot create any other type of offense reliably.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Would you guys do this trade for Jrue?



The idea here is, you keep Porzingis, trade away Hauser somewhere, and roll with basically a similar team except Jrue is replaced by Bogdanovic who is also about 15M cheaper (and a lot more in luxury tax savings)

Me personally I still would rather do the two that I posted above with either Dallas or Sacramento. If we want to potentially replace Jrue with another player that has talent, DeRozan might honestly be the best possible guy and it's great if you can also pry away Ellis. Or you can just be fine taking back young role player-type talent + potentially pick(s) or filler. I like Gafford too though he's "less talented" than DeRozan but probably a better long term fit including age.

No for a lot of reasons. This is not a fair return. Bogdon is not a good player anymore. It does not save us enough cap space.

I genuinely believe we are undervaluing Holliday's value around the league.

I think Bogdanovic is the same player he has always been.

He has never been a guy who moves the needle much. He has always been a bad defensive player who hurts you on that end of the floor. He has been a minimal rebounder. A marginal ball-handler and passer. A streaky contributor who only has a positive impact on his team when his shot is falling. And if it is not falling, he is a net negative (as he was in the playoffs this year for LAC). He has some shot creation but it is middling. He has always been susceptible to being shut down.

A guy whose reputation has always been bigger than his capabilities. Rated for being a 15ppg in 28mpg off the bench with good shooting numbers but in reality a bad defender + streaky offensive player who is only useful when his outside shot is falling because he cannot create any other type of offense reliably.

Exactly. Compared to Jrue who helps in every area of the game and consistently makes a positive impact even if his shot is not falling (he's a pretty comparable shooter to Bogdan at this point).

[Roy H.]

Why BB instead of Norman Powell?

[wdleehi]

If Dallas and LA are going to be competing for Jrue, I imagine they may have to be the teams that pay for another team to take on salary.   

[Who]

Why BB instead of Norman Powell?

Bogs is $16mil next season.
Norm Powell is $20.4mil.

I expect that is the reason. More cap savings.

[Who]

Why BB instead of Norman Powell?

Is there that much difference between Bogs and Norm Powell?

I'd prefer Norm Powell as well but I don't think he offers that much more than Bogdanovic. More able to defend his position. Not that good of a defender but competent which is more than Bogdanovic is who is a liability.

I feel Norm Powell is one of the more over-rated players in the league over the past season. Coming off a career year. Put up 21ppg on good shooting numbers. Got a lot of plaudits. Too much plaudits for me. Being talked about as an All-Star. I thought that was ridiculous.

Norm Powell is not that different from Bogdanovic. Neither guy brings much to the table when their outside shot isn't falling. Both are streaky contributors as a result. Norm Powell a better defender but a worse rebounder, worse ball-handler, worse passer.

Like Bogs, Norm Powell tends to be a regular season warrior playoff pretender. Both put up their best performances in the regular season and are prone to going missing in action in the postseason.

[Who]

(double post)

[Goldstar88]

Why BB instead of Norman Powell?

Is there that much difference between Bogs and Norm Powell?

I'd prefer Norm Powell as well but I don't think he offers that much more than Bogdanovic. More able to defend his position. Not that good of a defender but competent which is more than Bogdanovic is who is a liability.

I feel Norm Powell is one of the more over-rated players in the league over the past season. Coming off a career year. Put up 21ppg on good shooting numbers. Got a lot of plaudits. Too much plaudits for me. Being talked about as an All-Star. I thought that was ridiculous.

Norm Powell is not that different from Bogdanovic. Neither guy brings much to the table when their outside shot isn't falling. Both are streaky contributors as a result. Norm Powell a better defender but a worse rebounder, worse ball-handler, worse passer.

Like Bogs, Norm Powell tends to be a regular season warrior playoff pretender. Both put up their best performances in the regular season and are prone to going missing in action in the postseason.

Yes. Powell is coming off of his best year ever and Bogdanovic is horrific defensively.

[Indocelts]

I personally would like to keep both Jrue and KP. JB and Hauser are the ones I would consider to trade. I just don't think having 2 inefficient 3pt shooters (JT and JB) fits the current Mazulla's style that shoots almost 50 3pta per game. His high turnovers and salary don't help either.
Hauser shooting and defense regress to a point that he has little value to the team, imo.

if your reason for moving JB is Joe's style, you move Joe, not JB

Agreed, that scenario is if Joe stays.
However, I don't like Joe's scheme and in game adjustment this year and he should be moved too if he can't adjust.

[Moranis]

Serious question, does this blog actually think Boston is going to compete for a title in either of the 2 next seasons without making significant moves.  I just don't see how it is possible.  It is time to blow it up.  Get the team not just below the 2nd apron, but straight up below the cap over the next srason or two.  Add young players and draft picks and build the team again.

Think of it this way, pretty much everyone pegged this window ending when KP's contract came off the books (Al would likely be retired, Jrue would be too old, and the heavy luxury tax would be too much to re-sign KP).  The Tatum injury throws next year out and then KP is gone.  White will be 32, Tatum will be recovering, and Brown isn't going to become less injury prone as he moves into his 30's.  In other words those 3 are not going to be good enough to truly compete in 26-27 with mid-level or late 1st round type players around them.

The window of this squad is closed. Trading every player should be seriously explored. Not for 10 cents on the dollar, but all reasonable offers should be taken.