Shams: Butler Prefers A Trade Out Of Miami By Trade Deadline (Update: GSW)

[ozgod]

I just don't understand Butler's actions.  Why put himself in a position to get suspended, losing millions of dollars in the process?

He wants to make himself as difficult to deal with as possible in order to force a trade out of there. He can get more money from a long term extension (with an extra year) than he will lose from these suspensions or playing it out until the summer and looking for a sign and trade.

It is a rational self serving strategy.

But at this point he's going to get traded.  All he's doing now is costing himself money.

It's unlikely but I can see a scenario where Riley doesn't like any of the returns he's getting and decides to let him walk to just create cap space. Kind of like what the Clippers did with PG13. Maybe he's trying to be as obnoxious as possible, burn as many bridges as possible, to make sure it happens 

Their active roster cap  next season if everyone comes back and re-signs, including Buckets at $52m, is $193m plus $17m in holds, so letting him walk and sign elsewhere would only create $13m in cap space, but they would reset the luxury tax. If Pat wanted to do that, and do Buckets a solid, I suppose he could trade him somewhere he would be ok with, as long as that other team had enough salary to send back that was expiring, which would have the same effect of creating cap space?

I don't think he wants that though, because AFAIK only Brooklyn has the cap space to sign him next season? And I'm guessing they won't be interested, plus they have Simmons on their team and we all know how those guys feel about each other 

[ozgod]

I just don't understand Butler's actions.  Why put himself in a position to get suspended, losing millions of dollars in the process?

Spo gave him a chance by continuously starting him. He played with zero effort. Now he?s insulted when being relegated to the bench. What exactly does he want? He?s showing the whole NBA his true character.

Can?t believe people wanted to trade Jaylen for Buckets

The history with Buckets is there? Pretty much every day he?s had with the team has ended in tears and discord like this. I wouldn?t touch him with a 10 foot pole.

Idk, man. I think Jimmy would have played better defense than that on Thompson. 

First he would need to actually suit up - which he hasn't been doing a lot of lately.

Then he actually needs to be in the mood to play, which seems to happen when he feels like it. 

And thirdly he would have to get along with the people on the roster, otherwise he'll create lockerroom issues and destroy team chemistry.  The man doesn't even show respect to Pat Riley, good luck getting him to listen to Joe Mazulla.

I think he?s just saving himself for the postseason. Playoff Jimmy is real. 

The whole 'playoff Jimmy' tagline is complete nonsense. 

In 14 NBA seasons Butler has had only two great playoff runs - in 21/22 and 22/23.  And he still got outplayed by Jayson Tatum in both of them.

Since then he's missed 32% of his regular season games, hasn't played a single playoff game, and has done nothing but run his mouth.  The man is cooked, but can't accept it.

Idk, man. Last year Playoff Jimmy averaged 27pts, 6rebs, 6ast, 2stls with shooting splits of 47/36/80. 

You're just scarred by him because he did it against us twice 

[Who]

I just don't understand Butler's actions.  Why put himself in a position to get suspended, losing millions of dollars in the process?

He wants to make himself as difficult to deal with as possible in order to force a trade out of there. He can get more money from a long term extension (with an extra year) than he will lose from these suspensions or playing it out until the summer and looking for a sign and trade.

It is a rational self serving strategy.

But at this point he's going to get traded.  All he's doing now is costing himself money.

It's unlikely but I can see a scenario where Riley doesn't like any of the returns he's getting and decides to let him walk to just create cap space. Kind of like what the Clippers did with PG13. Maybe he's trying to be as obnoxious as possible, burn as many bridges as possible, to make sure it happens 

Their active roster cap  next season if everyone comes back and re-signs, including Buckets at $52m, is $193m plus $17m in holds, so letting him walk and sign elsewhere would only create $13m in cap space, but they would reset the luxury tax. If Pat wanted to do that, and do Buckets a solid, I suppose he could trade him somewhere he would be ok with, as long as that other team had enough salary to send back that was expiring, which would have the same effect of creating cap space?

I don't think he wants that though, because AFAIK only Brooklyn has the cap space to sign him next season? And I'm guessing they won't be interested, plus they have Simmons on their team and we all know how those guys feel about each other 

Yeah, this is what I see.

There is still a risk no trade happens due to how poor the offers have been. If Riley felt Jimmy would be a good soldier the rest of the season, it would be better for Miami to keep him and let him walk for free in the summer.

If Jimmy is going to be a massive problem, then a crappy offer will be a more desireable outcome.

[slightly biased bias fan]

I just don't understand Butler's actions.  Why put himself in a position to get suspended, losing millions of dollars in the process?

He wants to make himself as difficult to deal with as possible in order to force a trade out of there. He can get more money from a long term extension (with an extra year) than he will lose from these suspensions or playing it out until the summer and looking for a sign and trade.

It is a rational self serving strategy.

But at this point he's going to get traded.  All he's doing now is costing himself money.

It's unlikely but I can see a scenario where Riley doesn't like any of the returns he's getting and decides to let him walk to just create cap space. Kind of like what the Clippers did with PG13. Maybe he's trying to be as obnoxious as possible, burn as many bridges as possible, to make sure it happens 

Their active roster cap  next season if everyone comes back and re-signs, including Buckets at $52m, is $193m plus $17m in holds, so letting him walk and sign elsewhere would only create $13m in cap space, but they would reset the luxury tax. If Pat wanted to do that, and do Buckets a solid, I suppose he could trade him somewhere he would be ok with, as long as that other team had enough salary to send back that was expiring, which would have the same effect of creating cap space?

I don't think he wants that though, because AFAIK only Brooklyn has the cap space to sign him next season? And I'm guessing they won't be interested, plus they have Simmons on their team and we all know how those guys feel about each other 

Yeah, this is what I see.

There is still a risk no trade happens due to how poor the offers have been. If Riley felt Jimmy would be a good soldier the rest of the season, it would be better for Miami to keep him and let him walk for free in the summer.

If Jimmy is going to be a massive problem, then a crappy offer will be a more desireable outcome.

That is never going to happen.

Jimmy has a 50+ player option he is 100% picking up. No contender has that amount of cap space available this upcoming offseason. I would imagine that if Jimmy is still with the Heat after the trade deadline passes, he will shut up and play his ass off to show he is worth trading for and giving a max extension.

[slightly biased bias fan]

If Butler does not get traded before the deadline, Jimmy back to the Bulls in the offseason would be interesting.

Butler being traded back to the Chicago in exchange for LaVine seems like a fair trade for all involved.

If the Bulls let all their free agents walk (including Giddey), they would have room for a max salary. Illinois native Fred VanVleet is a potential free agent option to pair with Butler.

VanVleet
White
Williams
Butler
Vucevic

[Who]

I just don't understand Butler's actions.  Why put himself in a position to get suspended, losing millions of dollars in the process?

He wants to make himself as difficult to deal with as possible in order to force a trade out of there. He can get more money from a long term extension (with an extra year) than he will lose from these suspensions or playing it out until the summer and looking for a sign and trade.

It is a rational self serving strategy.

But at this point he's going to get traded.  All he's doing now is costing himself money.

It's unlikely but I can see a scenario where Riley doesn't like any of the returns he's getting and decides to let him walk to just create cap space. Kind of like what the Clippers did with PG13. Maybe he's trying to be as obnoxious as possible, burn as many bridges as possible, to make sure it happens 

Their active roster cap  next season if everyone comes back and re-signs, including Buckets at $52m, is $193m plus $17m in holds, so letting him walk and sign elsewhere would only create $13m in cap space, but they would reset the luxury tax. If Pat wanted to do that, and do Buckets a solid, I suppose he could trade him somewhere he would be ok with, as long as that other team had enough salary to send back that was expiring, which would have the same effect of creating cap space?

I don't think he wants that though, because AFAIK only Brooklyn has the cap space to sign him next season? And I'm guessing they won't be interested, plus they have Simmons on their team and we all know how those guys feel about each other 

Yeah, this is what I see.

There is still a risk no trade happens due to how poor the offers have been. If Riley felt Jimmy would be a good soldier the rest of the season, it would be better for Miami to keep him and let him walk for free in the summer.

If Jimmy is going to be a massive problem, then a crappy offer will be a more desireable outcome.

That is never going to happen.

Jimmy has a 50+ player option he is 100% picking up. No contender has that amount of cap space available this upcoming offseason. I would imagine that if Jimmy is still with the Heat after the trade deadline passes, he will shut up and play his ass off to show he is worth trading for and giving a max extension.

Jimmy has previously said he will only opt-in to that contract if it is part of a trade to somewhere else that he wants to go. He will not opt in to stay at Miami.

[MattyIce]

I just don't understand Butler's actions.  Why put himself in a position to get suspended, losing millions of dollars in the process?

He wants to make himself as difficult to deal with as possible in order to force a trade out of there. He can get more money from a long term extension (with an extra year) than he will lose from these suspensions or playing it out until the summer and looking for a sign and trade.

It is a rational self serving strategy.

But at this point he's going to get traded.  All he's doing now is costing himself money.

It's unlikely but I can see a scenario where Riley doesn't like any of the returns he's getting and decides to let him walk to just create cap space. Kind of like what the Clippers did with PG13. Maybe he's trying to be as obnoxious as possible, burn as many bridges as possible, to make sure it happens 

Their active roster cap  next season if everyone comes back and re-signs, including Buckets at $52m, is $193m plus $17m in holds, so letting him walk and sign elsewhere would only create $13m in cap space, but they would reset the luxury tax. If Pat wanted to do that, and do Buckets a solid, I suppose he could trade him somewhere he would be ok with, as long as that other team had enough salary to send back that was expiring, which would have the same effect of creating cap space?

I don't think he wants that though, because AFAIK only Brooklyn has the cap space to sign him next season? And I'm guessing they won't be interested, plus they have Simmons on their team and we all know how those guys feel about each other 

Yeah, this is what I see.

There is still a risk no trade happens due to how poor the offers have been. If Riley felt Jimmy would be a good soldier the rest of the season, it would be better for Miami to keep him and let him walk for free in the summer.

If Jimmy is going to be a massive problem, then a crappy offer will be a more desireable outcome.

That is never going to happen.

Jimmy has a 50+ player option he is 100% picking up. No contender has that amount of cap space available this upcoming offseason. I would imagine that if Jimmy is still with the Heat after the trade deadline passes, he will shut up and play his ass off to show he is worth trading for and giving a max extension.

Jimmy has previously said he will only opt-in to that contract if it is part of a trade to somewhere else that he wants to go. He will not opt in to stay at Miami.

he would still opt in

[Donoghus]

I just don't understand Butler's actions.  Why put himself in a position to get suspended, losing millions of dollars in the process?

He wants to make himself as difficult to deal with as possible in order to force a trade out of there. He can get more money from a long term extension (with an extra year) than he will lose from these suspensions or playing it out until the summer and looking for a sign and trade.

It is a rational self serving strategy.

But at this point he's going to get traded.  All he's doing now is costing himself money.

It's unlikely but I can see a scenario where Riley doesn't like any of the returns he's getting and decides to let him walk to just create cap space. Kind of like what the Clippers did with PG13. Maybe he's trying to be as obnoxious as possible, burn as many bridges as possible, to make sure it happens 

Their active roster cap  next season if everyone comes back and re-signs, including Buckets at $52m, is $193m plus $17m in holds, so letting him walk and sign elsewhere would only create $13m in cap space, but they would reset the luxury tax. If Pat wanted to do that, and do Buckets a solid, I suppose he could trade him somewhere he would be ok with, as long as that other team had enough salary to send back that was expiring, which would have the same effect of creating cap space?

I don't think he wants that though, because AFAIK only Brooklyn has the cap space to sign him next season? And I'm guessing they won't be interested, plus they have Simmons on their team and we all know how those guys feel about each other 

Yeah, this is what I see.

There is still a risk no trade happens due to how poor the offers have been. If Riley felt Jimmy would be a good soldier the rest of the season, it would be better for Miami to keep him and let him walk for free in the summer.

If Jimmy is going to be a massive problem, then a crappy offer will be a more desireable outcome.

That is never going to happen.

Jimmy has a 50+ player option he is 100% picking up. No contender has that amount of cap space available this upcoming offseason. I would imagine that if Jimmy is still with the Heat after the trade deadline passes, he will shut up and play his ass off to show he is worth trading for and giving a max extension.

Jimmy has previously said he will only opt-in to that contract if it is part of a trade to somewhere else that he wants to go. He will not opt in to stay at Miami.

he would still opt in

Yeah, he'd be nuts to opt out, IMO.

[Phantom255x]

This guy is a moron. Says he wants to go "anywhere but Miami" yet has also said he doesn't want to go Memphis and also won't sign a long term extension with GSW if traded.

Okay dude, then have fun staying in Miami while suspended and losing money.

Frankly I think Memphis would be the perfect spot for him. If they can have a Big 4 of Morant/Butler/Bane/JJJ that's scary. They are already a Top-3 team in the West. Meanwhile Miami can get back Smart, Clarke, Kennard and Konchar or Aldama + picks and use them to retool or rebuild. I think Riley would love a player of Smart's caliber and his toughness.

[Who]

This guy is a moron. Says he wants to go "anywhere but Miami" yet has also said he doesn't want to go Memphis and also won't sign a long term extension with GSW if traded.

Okay dude, then have fun staying in Miami while suspended and losing money.

Frankly I think Memphis would be the perfect spot for him. If they can have a Big 4 of Morant/Butler/Bane/JJJ that's scary. They are already a Top-3 team in the West. Meanwhile Miami can get back Smart, Clarke, Kennard and Konchar or Aldama + picks and use them to retool or rebuild. I think Riley would love a player of Smart's caliber and his toughness.

I don't think Memphis is a good spot because they won't offer him a max extension. So I understand Jimmy not wanting to go there. Otherwise, it would be a great team for him.

I do not understand him not being willing to sign a contract extension with the Warriors though. That is about as good a team (playoff hopes) he could hope for.

[keevsnick]

This guy is a moron. Says he wants to go "anywhere but Miami" yet has also said he doesn't want to go Memphis and also won't sign a long term extension with GSW if traded.

Okay dude, then have fun staying in Miami while suspended and losing money.

Frankly I think Memphis would be the perfect spot for him. If they can have a Big 4 of Morant/Butler/Bane/JJJ that's scary. They are already a Top-3 team in the West. Meanwhile Miami can get back Smart, Clarke, Kennard and Konchar or Aldama + picks and use them to retool or rebuild. I think Riley would love a player of Smart's caliber and his toughness.

I don't think Memphis is a good spot because they won't offer him a max extension. So I understand Jimmy not wanting to go there. Otherwise, it would be a great team for him.

I do not understand him not being willing to sign a contract extension with the Warriors though. That is about as good a team (playoff hopes) he could hope for.

My guess is he WOULD re-sign with the Warriors, but the Warriors aren't offering him the extension he wants. They may be willing to give him AN extension, just not everything he wants.

[Phantom255x]

OFFICIAL: Jimmy Butler to Golden State

I'm currently on the road and only on phone so tbh I can't link the tweet but it's online

[Goldstar88]

Golden state has the salary and young talent to get Butler. The Warriors are wasting Curry?s final years.

Called it! 

[Vermont Green]

Wiggins Schroeder Anderson, and a protected first round pick to Miami.

[Vermont Green]

Not a bad return for Miami under the circumstances. I wonder if Butler is happy about this. The reports he didn?t want to go to Golden State. Not sure why he wouldn?t want to go there.