Patriots 2024 Season

[kraidstar]

Pat's have the #1 pick if they lose next week, and even if they win they apparently can't drop lower than 4th (according to someone on reddit). That's an awesome place to be in, best case is we have the chance to pick up a future first in a trade while still getting a top prospect, worst case is we have our choice of the non-QB/Travis Hunter prospects. That almost makes it worth how unwatchable the team has been most weeks

If they Win vs Buffalo they'd have a 4-13 record, along with a batch of other teams. But the tie breaker for draft order is SOS, the weaker your opponents were win percentage wise the better for your draft order. The Patriots have the lowest SOS of .469 of any team with 3 or 4 wins, so even if they fall to four wins they'd likely pick first amongst that group. The only team with 3/4 win's that COULD pass them is Jacksonville (SOS .472). So ya, they will pick somewhere between 1-5.

If they get pick #1 I'd actually like to see them trade down, try to get one of those massive pick hauls. They have SO MANY holes, as dynamic as Hunter is getting more shots at starter level players might be better for the pats.

Jacksonville can't actually pass us, though, based on the remaining games. It's detailed in this Reddit post, but the short explanation is that most outcomes are fixed (where 2 teams we played are playing each other, so 1 win and 1 loss is guaranteed [ignoring ties]), and of the remaining 3 opponents, 2 of them are shared with Jacksonville. So the only possible change is one extra loss in either direction, and if Jacksonville gets that they still lose to us because the next tie breaker is head-to-head record (and we lost to them in week 7).

I still think we lose Sunday, but with 4th being the worst case I won't be too stressed about it. I don't like Hunter's fit here so the only loss I see from getting #4 is losing the chance to trade down and picking up an extra 1st rounder next year. Pick up a good DT/Edge or a WR and I'll be happy.

TP

I saw that reddit post and that is a good summation of it.

[Vermont Green]

So here is my bold prediction.  Pats win vs. BUF but TEN wins vs HOU so Pats end up with the 3rd pick and take Travis Hunter after CLE and NYG take QBs.

I hope I am wrong, would rather have the first pick to trade, but would this outcome be all that bad?  My prediction is more of a wild guess but TEN is actually favored by 2 at home so this is at least realistic.  3rd pick feels way better than 4th pick.

Hunter may well end up being the best player in the draft and a top player for years.  It feels a little greedy to hope for Hunter and a trade for more picks.

I guess the best best outcome would be Pats win, and all the other 3 win teams also win but NYG beating PHI, even with them resting everyone and CLE beating BAL (who I think needs to win for the Division) are both really unlikely.

[Silas]

So here is my bold prediction.  Pats win vs. BUF but TEN wins vs HOU so Pats end up with the 3rd pick and take Travis Hunter after CLE and NYG take QBs.

I hope I am wrong, would rather have the first pick to trade, but would this outcome be all that bad?  My prediction is more of a wild guess but TEN is actually favored by 2 at home so this is at least realistic.  3rd pick feels way better than 4th pick.

Hunter may well end up being the best player in the draft and a top player for years.  It feels a little greedy to hope for Hunter and a trade for more picks.

I guess the best best outcome would be Pats win, and all the other 3 win teams also win but NYG beating PHI, even with them resting everyone and CLE beating BAL (who I think needs to win for the Division) are both really unlikely.

I think the best outcome would be for the Pats to lose, have the 1st pick, and keep everything simple. 

[Donoghus]

So here is my bold prediction.  Pats win vs. BUF but TEN wins vs HOU so Pats end up with the 3rd pick and take Travis Hunter after CLE and NYG take QBs.

I hope I am wrong, would rather have the first pick to trade, but would this outcome be all that bad?  My prediction is more of a wild guess but TEN is actually favored by 2 at home so this is at least realistic.  3rd pick feels way better than 4th pick.

Hunter may well end up being the best player in the draft and a top player for years.  It feels a little greedy to hope for Hunter and a trade for more picks.

I guess the best best outcome would be Pats win, and all the other 3 win teams also win but NYG beating PHI, even with them resting everyone and CLE beating BAL (who I think needs to win for the Division) are both really unlikely.

I think the best outcome would be for the Pats to lose, have the 1st pick, and keep everything simple.

Bingo. It's pretty simple.

[Phantom255x]

So here is my bold prediction.  Pats win vs. BUF but TEN wins vs HOU so Pats end up with the 3rd pick and take Travis Hunter after CLE and NYG take QBs.

I hope I am wrong, would rather have the first pick to trade, but would this outcome be all that bad?  My prediction is more of a wild guess but TEN is actually favored by 2 at home so this is at least realistic.  3rd pick feels way better than 4th pick.

Hunter may well end up being the best player in the draft and a top player for years.  It feels a little greedy to hope for Hunter and a trade for more picks.

I guess the best best outcome would be Pats win, and all the other 3 win teams also win but NYG beating PHI, even with them resting everyone and CLE beating BAL (who I think needs to win for the Division) are both really unlikely.

I think the best outcome would be for the Pats to lose, have the 1st pick, and keep everything simple.

Bingo. It's pretty simple.

For me, best case scenario is:

-Patriots have #1 pick
-Patriots trade #1 to whoever is #3 and acquire back their #3, 2025 2nd, 2026 2nd, and a player of some sort (could be a young WR, pass rusher or offensive lineman)
-With #3, take Travis Hunter
-Using 2025 2nd and maybe your own, trade up for an OT in the 1st round OR just use both selections on O-Lineman and another player

This way, you also have a nice 2nd rounder for 2026, you can add a player (ex. if you trade with the Browns maybe you can get WR Jeudy or OT Dawand Jones, or someone like that), and still get potentially the BPA and additional picks/assets. It's like how in the Panthers-Bears #1 pick Bryce Young trade, the Bears also got back DJ Moore in addition to all the picks

In this scenario too you still have 100M+ in cap space to splurge on a few FAs like Higgins, etc.

[SparzWizard]

Jerod Mayo wants to finish strong and win Week 18's game. Not focused on draft positioning. "Finish the season strong"...finish strong against the C-team of Buffalo? Should've done that the other 17 weeks of the season.

He also intends to start Drake Maye, coming off of a head injury and also dealing with a throwing-hand injury. This is malpractice.

Deserves to get fired.

[Csfan1984]

Jerod Mayo wants to finish strong and win Week 18's game. Not focused on draft positioning. "Finish the season strong"...finish strong against the C-team of Buffalo? Should've done that the other 17 weeks of the season.

He also intends to start Drake Maye, coming off of a head injury and also dealing with a throwing-hand injury. This is malpractice.

Deserves to get fired.

I'd let Jacoby start and bring Joe after first series of second quarter is complete. Allow Joe a shot at game action in a replacement scenario. We aren't going to get much development with one more game of Maye this year. We need to be looking at next year now! 

[Phantom255x]

Vrabel interviewed with the Jets today.

Also, Shaughnessy wrote an article on the Boston Globe literally saying Mayo should be fired, and there's A TON of local media indicating the same. Even reporters like Mike Reiss and Karen Guregian who are usually super nice, positive and level-measured aren't as sold on Mayo anymore and criticize him often.

It's becoming a mess. Add in Tavai's BS comments today about the fans (SMH) and it's gonna get way more ugly. I'm curious to see the scene in Gillette this Sunday. I expect it to only be 40-50% filled and most of them will probably chant "Fire Mayo" and other obscenities. And rightfully so.

[Donoghus]

It's a crap situation.  Robert Kraft shouldn't be making decisions anymore at this point & I have zero confidence in Jonathan Kraft. 

Mayo should get fired, though.  There really needs to be an organizational overhaul in the front office as well. 

[SparzWizard]

Vrabel interviewed with the Jets today.

Also, Shaughnessy wrote an article on the Boston Globe literally saying Mayo should be fired, and there's A TON of local media indicating the same. Even reporters like Mike Reiss and Karen Guregian who are usually super nice, positive and level-measured aren't as sold on Mayo anymore and criticize him often.

It's becoming a mess. Add in Tavai's BS comments today about the fans (SMH) and it's gonna get way more ugly. I'm curious to see the scene in Gillette this Sunday. I expect it to only be 40-50% filled and most of them will probably chant "Fire Mayo" and other obscenities. And rightfully so.

Maybe this is what the New England Patriots franchise needed. Pressuring Robert Kraft. Pressure him to step down and sell the team. I'm tired of the yearly blunders this team has had post-Brady. Hiring Matt Patricia to do OC? What a joke. Pushing Mac Jones out (despite him sucking) and Kraft dissing Belichick? Harsh. And now this mess with Jerod Mayo, Eliot Wolf, and the sorry lineup of a front office? Think that was the last straw

[Donoghus]

Vrabel interviewed with the Jets today.

Also, Shaughnessy wrote an article on the Boston Globe literally saying Mayo should be fired, and there's A TON of local media indicating the same. Even reporters like Mike Reiss and Karen Guregian who are usually super nice, positive and level-measured aren't as sold on Mayo anymore and criticize him often.

It's becoming a mess. Add in Tavai's BS comments today about the fans (SMH) and it's gonna get way more ugly. I'm curious to see the scene in Gillette this Sunday. I expect it to only be 40-50% filled and most of them will probably chant "Fire Mayo" and other obscenities. And rightfully so.

Maybe this is what the New England Patriots franchise needed. Pressuring Robert Kraft. Pressure him to step down and sell the team. I'm tired of the yearly blunders this team has had post-Brady. Hiring Matt Patricia to do OC? What a joke. Pushing Mac Jones out (despite him sucking) and Kraft dissing Belichick? Harsh. And now this mess with Jerod Mayo, Eliot Wolf, and the sorry lineup of a front office? Think that was the last straw

You're living in fantasyland if you think he's selling the team.

[Neurotic Guy]

Vrabel interviewed with the Jets today.

Also, Shaughnessy wrote an article on the Boston Globe literally saying Mayo should be fired, and there's A TON of local media indicating the same. Even reporters like Mike Reiss and Karen Guregian who are usually super nice, positive and level-measured aren't as sold on Mayo anymore and criticize him often.

It's becoming a mess. Add in Tavai's BS comments today about the fans (SMH) and it's gonna get way more ugly. I'm curious to see the scene in Gillette this Sunday. I expect it to only be 40-50% filled and most of them will probably chant "Fire Mayo" and other obscenities. And rightfully so.

Maybe this is what the New England Patriots franchise needed. Pressuring Robert Kraft. Pressure him to step down and sell the team. I'm tired of the yearly blunders this team has had post-Brady. Hiring Matt Patricia to do OC? What a joke. Pushing Mac Jones out (despite him sucking) and Kraft dissing Belichick? Harsh. And now this mess with Jerod Mayo, Eliot Wolf, and the sorry lineup of a front office? Think that was the last straw

You're living in fantasyland if you think he's selling the team.

I think maybe some people who want Kraft out may not have experienced prior owners.  I actually can?t think of a previous owner that I?d prefer to the Krafts.  Sometimes the devil you know?.  And incidentally the Krafts did bring 6 championships, so there?s that.

[Phantom255x]

Vrabel interviewed with the Jets today.

Also, Shaughnessy wrote an article on the Boston Globe literally saying Mayo should be fired, and there's A TON of local media indicating the same. Even reporters like Mike Reiss and Karen Guregian who are usually super nice, positive and level-measured aren't as sold on Mayo anymore and criticize him often.

It's becoming a mess. Add in Tavai's BS comments today about the fans (SMH) and it's gonna get way more ugly. I'm curious to see the scene in Gillette this Sunday. I expect it to only be 40-50% filled and most of them will probably chant "Fire Mayo" and other obscenities. And rightfully so.

Maybe this is what the New England Patriots franchise needed. Pressuring Robert Kraft. Pressure him to step down and sell the team. I'm tired of the yearly blunders this team has had post-Brady. Hiring Matt Patricia to do OC? What a joke. Pushing Mac Jones out (despite him sucking) and Kraft dissing Belichick? Harsh. And now this mess with Jerod Mayo, Eliot Wolf, and the sorry lineup of a front office? Think that was the last straw

You're living in fantasyland if you think he's selling the team.

I think maybe some people who want Kraft out may not have experienced prior owners.  I actually can?t think of a previous owner that I?d prefer to the Krafts.  Sometimes the devil you know?.  And incidentally the Krafts did bring 6 championships, so there?s that.

So just to be clear, I haven't personally met the Krafts and this is just from what I've heard from a friend who attended a big work event at Gillette Stadium last year which the Krafts and other higher-ups attended. And btw, some of this stuff has also been said by others on Patriots reddit, twitter, etc.

But apparently while Robert Kraft is super nice and friendly to everyone, even guests. Apparently his son Jonathan isn't the same and actually treats people like "robots" or strictly "business entities"/"assets". My friend even said he saw brief interactions between his colleagues and Jonathan where Jonathan was acting like a jerk and sort of hostile to them. Not friendly at all. Meanwhile Rob Kraft was super inviting and conversational with everyone.

I was surprised to hear that. But even in recent months I've seen people on Reddit echo the same, that apparently it's an "open secret" around the Pats organization that this is how Jonathan is. He's basically an "A - hol" especially to staff. And obviously, he's the heir to the Pats after and probably going to run it soon. So that may not be a good sign especially if he's already been involved with recent football and personnel decisions.

TLDR - The Pats organization might be in even bigger trouble when Jonathan Kraft, Robert's son runs it going forward.

[Phantom255x]

Very curious to see what happens with the franchise 24 hours from now when the game ends.

I mean I know "Black Monday" is on Monday as the name suggests but could there be decisions and/or firings made after tomorrow's game? Will the Pats officially have the #1 or #2-4 pick?

If Mayo remains here after Monday I think he's staying, idk why they'd delay it further.

[SparzWizard]

Very curious to see what happens with the franchise 24 hours from now when the game ends.

I mean I know "Black Monday" is on Monday as the name suggests but could there be decisions and/or firings made after tomorrow's game? Will the Pats officially have the #1 or #2-4 pick?

If Mayo remains here after Monday I think he's staying, idk why they'd delay it further.

They delayed it last year and it was a circus show which caused us to lose opportunities in free agency/drafting the right players.

If folks are getting fired Monday then it needs to be done that day or after that game.