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Re: NBA Free Agency 2024
« Reply #45 on: June 29, 2024, 11:08:07 PM »

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There's reporting that Lebron is willing to take a paycut to allow LAL to target some FA's with the MLE, but then the names are Harden, Klay and Valenciunas. Are these three not getting more than the MLE?? Maybe someone like Klay decides to "ring chase" but I have to imagine he could still get pretty lucrative 2-3 year deals from others.
who?

https://twitter.com/LegionHoops/status/1807172351806918712
No, I mean which teams are giving Klay, Harden, or JV lucrative deals.  Harden I could see staying with the Clippers on a good sized deal, but outside of that, where are offers more than the MLE going to come from for those guys.

Klay can get more than the MLE, although the Lakers hope is that between LeBron, his father, and being the Lakers they can get him for the MLE.  Jonas is an MLE player, tops.  Harden will get much more than the MLE from someone, certainly the Clippers and probably other teams.  Some player valuation models still have him as worth near $50 million next year ? the question with Harden will be how many years do you feel comfortable signing up for.

Re: NBA Free Agency 2024
« Reply #46 on: June 29, 2024, 11:09:37 PM »

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There's reporting that Lebron is willing to take a paycut to allow LAL to target some FA's with the MLE, but then the names are Harden, Klay and Valenciunas. Are these three not getting more than the MLE?? Maybe someone like Klay decides to "ring chase" but I have to imagine he could still get pretty lucrative 2-3 year deals from others.
who?

https://twitter.com/LegionHoops/status/1807172351806918712
No, I mean which teams are giving Klay, Harden, or JV lucrative deals.  Harden I could see staying with the Clippers on a good sized deal, but outside of that, where are offers more than the MLE going to come from for those guys.

Philly, Orlando, Utah, OKC, and Detroit all have a lot of cap space.

Philly desperately needs to fill out their roster. With anyone.

Orlando and OKC could use some veteran leadership.

Re: NBA Free Agency 2024
« Reply #47 on: June 29, 2024, 11:17:02 PM »

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Why is Joe Ingles declining his 11mill option?? He's turning 37 soonish.
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Re: NBA Free Agency 2024
« Reply #48 on: June 29, 2024, 11:21:50 PM »

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Why is Joe Ingles declining his 11mill option?? He's turning 37 soonish.

he did not, Orlando did..although he is likely staying

Re: NBA Free Agency 2024
« Reply #49 on: June 29, 2024, 11:39:15 PM »

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There's reporting that Lebron is willing to take a paycut to allow LAL to target some FA's with the MLE, but then the names are Harden, Klay and Valenciunas. Are these three not getting more than the MLE?? Maybe someone like Klay decides to "ring chase" but I have to imagine he could still get pretty lucrative 2-3 year deals from others.
who?

https://twitter.com/LegionHoops/status/1807172351806918712
No, I mean which teams are giving Klay, Harden, or JV lucrative deals.  Harden I could see staying with the Clippers on a good sized deal, but outside of that, where are offers more than the MLE going to come from for those guys.

Philly, Orlando, Utah, OKC, and Detroit all have a lot of cap space.

Philly desperately needs to fill out their roster. With anyone.

Orlando and OKC could use some veteran leadership.
I can maybe see Klay going to Philly and perhaps OKC (though that is much less likely in my view, espeically after adding Caruso).  Harden isn't going to Philly or any other team on your list.  He is either re-signing for the Clippers or is going ring chasing on at best a MLE (he is a terrible fit in OKC).  JV isn't going to Philly as he makes no sense with Embiid.  Now OKC does make some sense for him, but he is also injured all of the time nad not a really great player even at his best, so I don't see why the Thunder would overpay him (that also isn't Presti's m.o.). 

Just because team's have cap room doesn't mean they are realistic fits for Harden, JV, or Klay.  None of those guys are going to Detroit or Utah, as an example. 
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Re: NBA Free Agency 2024
« Reply #50 on: June 29, 2024, 11:43:35 PM »

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There's reporting that Lebron is willing to take a paycut to allow LAL to target some FA's with the MLE, but then the names are Harden, Klay and Valenciunas. Are these three not getting more than the MLE?? Maybe someone like Klay decides to "ring chase" but I have to imagine he could still get pretty lucrative 2-3 year deals from others.
who?

https://twitter.com/LegionHoops/status/1807172351806918712
No, I mean which teams are giving Klay, Harden, or JV lucrative deals.  Harden I could see staying with the Clippers on a good sized deal, but outside of that, where are offers more than the MLE going to come from for those guys.

Philly, Orlando, Utah, OKC, and Detroit all have a lot of cap space.

Philly desperately needs to fill out their roster. With anyone.

Orlando and OKC could use some veteran leadership.
I can maybe see Klay going to Philly and perhaps OKC (though that is much less likely in my view, espeically after adding Caruso).  Harden isn't going to Philly or any other team on your list.  He is either re-signing for the Clippers or is going ring chasing on at best a MLE (he is a terrible fit in OKC).  JV isn't going to Philly as he makes no sense with Embiid.  Now OKC does make some sense for him, but he is also injured all of the time nad not a really great player even at his best, so I don't see why the Thunder would overpay him (that also isn't Presti's m.o.). 

Just because team's have cap room doesn't mean they are realistic fits for Harden, JV, or Klay.  None of those guys are going to Detroit or Utah, as an example.

I was hoping JV would go back to Memphis. He had a good spell there and they need the help.

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Re: NBA Free Agency 2024
« Reply #51 on: June 30, 2024, 07:54:17 AM »

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man, seeing teams like the Knicks trade 5 first rounders for a very a high quality role player to "put them over the top" in their eyes

and teams like the sixers/lakers pine over offering max deals to guys who are cooked (klay thompson) or ageing chokers (paul george/harden) to get them over the hump.

I am so glad Brad did most of his cooking last year to bring in Holiday/Porzingis.

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« Reply #52 on: June 30, 2024, 10:35:11 AM »

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man, seeing teams like the Knicks trade 5 first rounders for a very a high quality role player to "put them over the top" in their eyes

and teams like the sixers/lakers pine over offering max deals to guys who are cooked (klay thompson) or ageing chokers (paul george/harden) to get them over the hump.

I am so glad Brad did most of his cooking last year to bring in Holiday/Porzingis.

Not sure I?d call Mikal a role player. The year before last he averaged 26ppg. He?s a 2nd or 3rd option on the Knicks.
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« Reply #53 on: June 30, 2024, 10:40:24 AM »

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man, seeing teams like the Knicks trade 5 first rounders for a very a high quality role player to "put them over the top" in their eyes

and teams like the sixers/lakers pine over offering max deals to guys who are cooked (klay thompson) or ageing chokers (paul george/harden) to get them over the hump.

I am so glad Brad did most of his cooking last year to bring in Holiday/Porzingis.

Not sure I?d call Mikal a role player. The year before last he averaged 26ppg. He?s a 2nd or 3rd option on the Knicks.

I'd say he's more of a Derrick White than a Tatum or Brown. He's an elite role player, but not a foundational star. Guys like Hayward and Banton put up really nice stats on bad teams but could barely get a basket a game on contending teams.

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« Reply #54 on: June 30, 2024, 12:19:47 PM »

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man, seeing teams like the Knicks trade 5 first rounders for a very a high quality role player to "put them over the top" in their eyes

and teams like the sixers/lakers pine over offering max deals to guys who are cooked (klay thompson) or ageing chokers (paul george/harden) to get them over the hump.

I am so glad Brad did most of his cooking last year to bring in Holiday/Porzingis.

Not sure I?d call Mikal a role player. The year before last he averaged 26ppg. He?s a 2nd or 3rd option on the Knicks.

I'd say he's more of a Derrick White than a Tatum or Brown. He's an elite role player, but not a foundational star. Guys like Hayward and Banton put up really nice stats on bad teams but could barely get a basket a game on contending teams.

I love Derrick white, but I?m not sure he could average 26ppg on a bad team. He didn?t come close to that in SA and those were some bad teams. His highest avg for a season is 15.4ppg. Bridges is in the Jamaal Murray, Jerami Grant, Dejounte Murray, Brandon Ingram tier. I don?t consider those guys role players.
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Re: NBA Free Agency 2024
« Reply #55 on: June 30, 2024, 01:10:04 PM »

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Knicks remind me a bit of the Thibs / Rose-era Bulls. A star PG surrounded by tough roleplayers and borderline stars.

That team had Rose, Noah, Boozer, Asik, Gibson, Deng, Jimmy Butler, Hinrich, Brewer, Korver...

They could never get over the hump. I suspect that will be the case with these Knicks. Though the Rose injury certainly devastated Chicago's chances. Without him scoring at an MVP level they had no real shot.

I'm not sure this Brunson/OG/Bridges crew will generate enough offense to get it done.

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« Reply #56 on: June 30, 2024, 01:28:45 PM »

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man, seeing teams like the Knicks trade 5 first rounders for a very a high quality role player to "put them over the top" in their eyes

and teams like the sixers/lakers pine over offering max deals to guys who are cooked (klay thompson) or ageing chokers (paul george/harden) to get them over the hump.

I am so glad Brad did most of his cooking last year to bring in Holiday/Porzingis.

Not sure I?d call Mikal a role player. The year before last he averaged 26ppg. He?s a 2nd or 3rd option on the Knicks.

I'd say he's more of a Derrick White than a Tatum or Brown. He's an elite role player, but not a foundational star. Guys like Hayward and Banton put up really nice stats on bad teams but could barely get a basket a game on contending teams.

I love Derrick white, but I?m not sure he could average 26ppg on a bad team. He didn?t come close to that in SA and those were some bad teams. His highest avg for a season is 15.4ppg. Bridges is in the Jamaal Murray, Jerami Grant, Dejounte Murray, Brandon Ingram tier. I don?t consider those guys role players.
Jrue is the better comparison for Bridges.  I'd say Jrue and Bridges are role players but they are elite, versatile 2-way role players which is quite rare and more valuable than a lot of "star" players.  If I'm trying to build a championship contender, I don't think I'd take any of the players you list before Bridges. 

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« Reply #57 on: June 30, 2024, 01:28:54 PM »

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Bobby Marks, mouthpiece of the Sixers, reporting that no one is willing to trade for Lavine, even if the Bulls attach a first round pick to offload him.

Lavine is clearly plan B if George doesn't work out, and Morey is trying to drive down his value.

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« Reply #58 on: June 30, 2024, 01:38:28 PM »

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Knicks remind me a bit of the Thibs / Rose-era Bulls. A star PG surrounded by tough roleplayers and borderline stars.

That team had Rose, Noah, Boozer, Asik, Gibson, Deng, Jimmy Butler, Hinrich, Brewer, Korver...

They could never get over the hump. I suspect that will be the case with these Knicks. Though the Rose injury certainly devastated Chicago's chances. Without him scoring at an MVP level they had no real shot.

I'm not sure this Brunson/OG/Bridges crew will generate enough offense to get it done.
They also have Randle and DiVincenzo and Hart off the bench.  Don't know what's going to happen at center but that is plenty of offense. 

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« Reply #59 on: June 30, 2024, 01:43:28 PM »

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Bobby Marks, mouthpiece of the Sixers, reporting that no one is willing to trade for Lavine, even if the Bulls attach a first round pick to offload him.

Lavine is clearly plan B if George doesn't work out, and Morey is trying to drive down his value.
I don't think PG-13 is a good plan A but LaVine is a terrible plan B.