Celtics Off-Season News

[Vermont Green]

Queta has a club option for a regular roster spot.  I guess in theory, he could go back to a 2-way deal, but that doesn't seem likely (and there may be rules against it).  His option has to be decided by Jun 29 so we will know soon on him.  If he could be signed to another 2-way (and would accept that), that would be great.

With Brissett out, and assuming Mykhailiuk out, we are at 11 spots when Hauser and Queta (team options) are included.  Signing Kornet and/or Tillman would take us to 12 or 13.  I think we are going to need a vet wing/swing type to replace what Brissett was supposed to be.  I see it looking something like this:

Holiday               Pritchard               Springer
White                 Hauser-TO              [    ?     ]
Brown                [   Vet?   ]              Walsh
Tatum                [ Tillman? ]            Queta-TO
Porzingis            Horford                  [ Kornet?  ]

Hauser and Queta are both team options so there is some question on them.  Kornet and Tillman are both UFA so are not certain.  Probably only 2 of Kornet, Tillman, and Queta come back.  And keep in mind that that last 2 seasons we started with only 14.

[Surferdad]

What's the latest with Yam Madar? Has everyone given up on him? Really, we just need some serviceable 4th choice PG behind Jrue, DW, AND PP.

Also, like the idea of swinging for the fences on a big on the draft.

I'll be curious whether Davison gets a chance. I would imagine they'll keep one of him or Springer. Davison shooting 26% from 3 with Maine last season works against him. Also Springer is under contract.

I think I?d rather have Springer over Davison at this point.

100%. Springer is an NBA caliber player. Davison is not at this point. Not sure he ever will be, tbh.

Davison can still play in Maine one more season on a 2-way, at least.  I will be curious to see if they offer him a qualifying offer this weekend.  My guess is that will not happen unless they do not wind up drafting anyone to give an NBA deal to.

Davison did get a mention by Brad along with Queta and Springer as guys they have offseason plans for, whereas Peterson and Svi were omitted, so he still might have a future here.

Brad is pretty careful with how he parses his words and it is no surprise he mentioned only the guys who might still have upside. Development level pipeline: Davison, Queta, Springer, 2024 1st round pick, 2024 2nd round pick?not a lot there but I do have some curiosity about Springer, kind of a Tony Allen 2.0

I like Svi, but I never viewed him as having a future with this team.

[Celtics2021]

Queta has a club option for a regular roster spot.  I guess in theory, he could go back to a 2-way deal, but that doesn't seem likely (and there may be rules against it).  His option has to be decided by Jun 29 so we will know soon on him.  If he could be signed to another 2-way (and would accept that), that would be great.

With Brissett out, and assuming Mykhailiuk out, we are at 11 spots when Hauser and Queta (team options) are included.  Signing Kornet and/or Tillman would take us to 12 or 13.  I think we are going to need a vet wing/swing type to replace what Brissett was supposed to be.  I see it looking something like this:

Holiday               Pritchard               Springer
White                 Hauser-TO              [    ?     ]
Brown                [   Vet?   ]              Walsh
Tatum                [ Tillman? ]            Queta-TO
Porzingis            Horford                  [ Kornet?  ]

Hauser and Queta are both team options so there is some question on them.  Kornet and Tillman are both UFA so are not certain.  Probably only 2 of Kornet, Tillman, and Queta come back.  And keep in mind that that last 2 seasons we started with only 14.

Queta can?t go back to a 2-way, but his club option will be exercised.  However, his contract is likely only mildly guaranteed after the option is picked up, as is typical for end of season signings.  Probably $50-100k is guaranteed on July 1st, a bit more at the start of training camp and/or opening day, and then fully in January, based on past practice.  So I?d still write his name in pencil until late October, regardless of the option this week.  The only way it gets to pen is if they like him enough to decline the option and use non-Bird rights to sign him to a 3-year deal as a restricted free agent, since he will be unrestricted when he hits free agency next year.  That would be a little surprising, unless they?re pretty sure that both Kornet and Tillman are walking and they want someone under contract for more than a year, given this could also be the last year of Al.

[celticinorlando]

Walsh needs to improve drastically to be a rotation player.
Same with Queta

Don?t like the bench with KP sidelined. Need more consistent scoring.

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Walsh needs to improve drastically to be a rotation player.
Same with Queta

Don?t like the bench with KP sidelined. Need more consistent scoring.

It feels like both Walsh and Queta could improve, but they need minutes, just like PP and Sam got.   PP and Sam didn't start out being great backup rotation players, they got a lot better because they got playing time.   I think both Walsh and Queta could improve as well.   Are we able to find a center for 2.2 mil better than Queta?   I honestly don't know, but that is pretty much in the lower range for vet minimum.   

[Celtics2021]

What's the latest with Yam Madar? Has everyone given up on him? Really, we just need some serviceable 4th choice PG behind Jrue, DW, AND PP.

Also, like the idea of swinging for the fences on a big on the draft.

I'll be curious whether Davison gets a chance. I would imagine they'll keep one of him or Springer. Davison shooting 26% from 3 with Maine last season works against him. Also Springer is under contract.

I think I?d rather have Springer over Davison at this point.

100%. Springer is an NBA caliber player. Davison is not at this point. Not sure he ever will be, tbh.

Davison can still play in Maine one more season on a 2-way, at least.  I will be curious to see if they offer him a qualifying offer this weekend.  My guess is that will not happen unless they do not wind up drafting anyone to give an NBA deal to.

Davison did get a mention by Brad along with Queta and Springer as guys they have offseason plans for, whereas Peterson and Svi were omitted, so he still might have a future here.

Brad is pretty careful with how he parses his words and it is no surprise he mentioned only the guys who might still have upside. Development level pipeline: Davison, Queta, Springer, 2024 1st round pick, 2024 2nd round pick?not a lot there but I do have some curiosity about Springer, kind of a Tony Allen 2.0

I like Svi, but I never viewed him as having a future with this team.

He is, but it was notable to me that Davison got mentioned while Peterson did not, and in the list of names he was mentioned before Queta.  Davison is in the same contract situation as Peterson (RFA coming off a 2-way), whereas Springer and Queta are under contract, and it was about how to continue training them over the summer so they can play more minutes next year if the vets need more resting after the long finals run and even Olympics for some.  Kornet and Tillman also got mentioned in a ?we hope to have them back? context, and Svi and Peterson didn?t get a mention there either.  It was distinctive, in a way that says Davison is very much in the teams plans, as opposed to a polite mention.  I was surprised, because when he said all three in that context, my initial thought was ?one of these things is not like the other.? 

[tonydelk]

Walsh needs to improve drastically to be a rotation player.
Same with Queta

Don?t like the bench with KP sidelined. Need more consistent scoring.

It feels like both Walsh and Queta could improve, but they need minutes, just like PP and Sam got.   PP and Sam didn't start out being great backup rotation players, they got a lot better because they got playing time.   I think both Walsh and Queta could improve as well.   Are we able to find a center for 2.2 mil better than Queta?   I honestly don't know, but that is pretty much in the lower range for vet minimum.

Queta needs to improve his Defensive IQ.  He's a guy on the offensive end who you don't need to run plays for but is a great lob threat and offensive rebounder.  He needs to focus on his body and flexibility to be able to turn his hips and move a little quicker laterally when guarding wings and guards on the PnR.  He absolutely has talent and is 100% deserving to be on the active roster.  Hopefully the training staff is really working with these young guys throughout the summer.  The C's desperately need to develop young talent for 2 years down the road when they need to get below the 2nd apron by off loading some veteran talent.

[Vermont Green]

What's the latest with Yam Madar? Has everyone given up on him? Really, we just need some serviceable 4th choice PG behind Jrue, DW, AND PP.

Also, like the idea of swinging for the fences on a big on the draft.

I'll be curious whether Davison gets a chance. I would imagine they'll keep one of him or Springer. Davison shooting 26% from 3 with Maine last season works against him. Also Springer is under contract.

I think I?d rather have Springer over Davison at this point.

100%. Springer is an NBA caliber player. Davison is not at this point. Not sure he ever will be, tbh.

Davison can still play in Maine one more season on a 2-way, at least.  I will be curious to see if they offer him a qualifying offer this weekend.  My guess is that will not happen unless they do not wind up drafting anyone to give an NBA deal to.

Davison did get a mention by Brad along with Queta and Springer as guys they have offseason plans for, whereas Peterson and Svi were omitted, so he still might have a future here.

Brad is pretty careful with how he parses his words and it is no surprise he mentioned only the guys who might still have upside. Development level pipeline: Davison, Queta, Springer, 2024 1st round pick, 2024 2nd round pick?not a lot there but I do have some curiosity about Springer, kind of a Tony Allen 2.0

I like Svi, but I never viewed him as having a future with this team.

He is, but it was notable to me that Davison got mentioned while Peterson did not, and in the list of names he was mentioned before Queta.  Davison is in the same contract situation as Peterson (RFA coming off a 2-way), whereas Springer and Queta are under contract, and it was about how to continue training them over the summer so they can play more minutes next year if the vets need more resting after the long finals run and even Olympics for some.  Kornet and Tillman also got mentioned in a ?we hope to have them back? context, and Svi and Peterson didn?t get a mention there either.  It was distinctive, in a way that says Davison is very much in the teams plans, as opposed to a polite mention.  I was surprised, because when he said all three in that context, my initial thought was ?one of these things is not like the other.?

Davison has very good value as a 2-way, probably not going to do much better than him, but I am not sure he is ready to graduate and be on the regular roster.  He will be 22 at the start of next season.  He is that classic AAAA player.  We have Pritchard and Springer as bench PG/Combo Guards.  Not sure there is a spot on the roster for Davison too.  Maybe if Davison shows some real progress coming into next season, it will give the team enough confidence to trade Springer or something like that.  But without some other move, I don't see Davison on the regular roster next season.

[SHAQATTACK]

Walsh needs to improve drastically to be a rotation player.
Same with Queta

Don?t like the bench with KP sidelined. Need more consistent scoring.

Not a Walsh fan either  , believe I d let him go .think he too small for what I think they think he is.

Backs up for PP are pretty weak too for this team to go to in crunch.

[Moranis]

Walsh needs to improve drastically to be a rotation player.
Same with Queta

Don?t like the bench with KP sidelined. Need more consistent scoring.

It feels like both Walsh and Queta could improve, but they need minutes, just like PP and Sam got.   PP and Sam didn't start out being great backup rotation players, they got a lot better because they got playing time.   I think both Walsh and Queta could improve as well.   Are we able to find a center for 2.2 mil better than Queta?   I honestly don't know, but that is pretty much in the lower range for vet minimum.

Pritchard shot 41.1% from 3 as a rookie on nearly 4 attempts a game and played over 19 mpg in 66 of the 72 games. In other words, PP was a rotation level player as a rookie.  He isn't the same as Walsh and Queta who certainly were not rotation level players as rookies.

[Vermont Green]

Walsh needs to improve drastically to be a rotation player.
Same with Queta

Don?t like the bench with KP sidelined. Need more consistent scoring.

It feels like both Walsh and Queta could improve, but they need minutes, just like PP and Sam got.   PP and Sam didn't start out being great backup rotation players, they got a lot better because they got playing time.   I think both Walsh and Queta could improve as well.   Are we able to find a center for 2.2 mil better than Queta?   I honestly don't know, but that is pretty much in the lower range for vet minimum.

Pritchard shot 41.1% from 3 as a rookie on nearly 4 attempts a game and played over 19 mpg in 66 of the 72 games. In other words, PP was a rotation level player as a rookie.  He isn't the same as Walsh and Queta who certainly were not rotation level players as rookies.

Not totally disagreeing with you, but Pritchard was a 22 year old rookie.  Walsh is only 20 now.  Walsh may be closer to a rotation level player in 2 more years, but it is doubtful he will be next season.

[Moranis]

Walsh needs to improve drastically to be a rotation player.
Same with Queta

Don?t like the bench with KP sidelined. Need more consistent scoring.

It feels like both Walsh and Queta could improve, but they need minutes, just like PP and Sam got.   PP and Sam didn't start out being great backup rotation players, they got a lot better because they got playing time.   I think both Walsh and Queta could improve as well.   Are we able to find a center for 2.2 mil better than Queta?   I honestly don't know, but that is pretty much in the lower range for vet minimum.

Pritchard shot 41.1% from 3 as a rookie on nearly 4 attempts a game and played over 19 mpg in 66 of the 72 games. In other words, PP was a rotation level player as a rookie.  He isn't the same as Walsh and Queta who certainly were not rotation level players as rookies.

Not totally disagreeing with you, but Pritchard was a 22 year old rookie.  Walsh is only 20 now.  Walsh may be closer to a rotation level player in 2 more years, but it is doubtful he will be next season.

maybe, I was just pointing out that PP got minutes because he was a rotation level player even as a rookie.  Walsh should have stayed in school. 2nd round pick on a good team where he will never play.  Doesn't bode well for him staying in league long term.

[Celtics2021]

Walsh needs to improve drastically to be a rotation player.
Same with Queta

Don?t like the bench with KP sidelined. Need more consistent scoring.

It feels like both Walsh and Queta could improve, but they need minutes, just like PP and Sam got.   PP and Sam didn't start out being great backup rotation players, they got a lot better because they got playing time.   I think both Walsh and Queta could improve as well.   Are we able to find a center for 2.2 mil better than Queta?   I honestly don't know, but that is pretty much in the lower range for vet minimum.

Pritchard shot 41.1% from 3 as a rookie on nearly 4 attempts a game and played over 19 mpg in 66 of the 72 games. In other words, PP was a rotation level player as a rookie.  He isn't the same as Walsh and Queta who certainly were not rotation level players as rookies.

Not totally disagreeing with you, but Pritchard was a 22 year old rookie.  Walsh is only 20 now.  Walsh may be closer to a rotation level player in 2 more years, but it is doubtful he will be next season.

Further, Pritchard played for a .500 team coming off the bubble with a short turnaround an compressed schedule.  Additionally, the players ahead of him in the rotation were Kemba Walker, Jeff Teague, and Marcus Smart.  Two of those three were pretty much done in the NBA, and Smart himself missed a month with something.  Meanwhile, Walsh entered the year behind Brown, Tatum, and Hauser on a championship team.  None of them missed any significant time, and the expectation of the team was clearly different.  Imagine how psyched we?d all be if 19 year-old Jordan Walsh had won a rotation spot on this team, knowing how good even Sam Hauser is.  Walsh might have had a chance on that 2021 team.

[Vermont Green]

Walsh needs to improve drastically to be a rotation player.
Same with Queta

Don?t like the bench with KP sidelined. Need more consistent scoring.

It feels like both Walsh and Queta could improve, but they need minutes, just like PP and Sam got.   PP and Sam didn't start out being great backup rotation players, they got a lot better because they got playing time.   I think both Walsh and Queta could improve as well.   Are we able to find a center for 2.2 mil better than Queta?   I honestly don't know, but that is pretty much in the lower range for vet minimum.

Pritchard shot 41.1% from 3 as a rookie on nearly 4 attempts a game and played over 19 mpg in 66 of the 72 games. In other words, PP was a rotation level player as a rookie.  He isn't the same as Walsh and Queta who certainly were not rotation level players as rookies.

Not totally disagreeing with you, but Pritchard was a 22 year old rookie.  Walsh is only 20 now.  Walsh may be closer to a rotation level player in 2 more years, but it is doubtful he will be next season.

maybe, I was just pointing out that PP got minutes because he was a rotation level player even as a rookie.  Walsh should have stayed in school. 2nd round pick on a good team where he will never play.  Doesn't bode well for him staying in league long term.

Walsh got to play 27 G-League games (nearly 30 min per game) and put up decent G-League numbers, while getting the opportunity to be around a championship environment and play some in 9 NBA games.  I don't know if staying in college would have been better for his development or not.  It certainly would not have been better for his cash flow.  He is a prospect.  Hauser, for example was 5 years in college.  He was more NBA ready as a 23 year old rookie than 19 year old Walsh, but I am not sure there is enough basis to write off Walsh just because he came out of college early.

I think there is enough evidence to declare that he probably will not be "NBA Ready" next season either, but based on what I have seen, he could well end up a better NBA player than either Hauser or Pritchard in time.  I am not going as far as predicting that, it is impossible to tell, but he has a lot going for him.  I have not given up on him based on his one season.  On the contrary, I think there was a lot to like.

[hwangjini_1]

Walsh needs to improve drastically to be a rotation player.
Same with Queta

Don?t like the bench with KP sidelined. Need more consistent scoring.

It feels like both Walsh and Queta could improve, but they need minutes, just like PP and Sam got.   PP and Sam didn't start out being great backup rotation players, they got a lot better because they got playing time.   I think both Walsh and Queta could improve as well.   Are we able to find a center for 2.2 mil better than Queta?   I honestly don't know, but that is pretty much in the lower range for vet minimum.

Pritchard shot 41.1% from 3 as a rookie on nearly 4 attempts a game and played over 19 mpg in 66 of the 72 games. In other words, PP was a rotation level player as a rookie.  He isn't the same as Walsh and Queta who certainly were not rotation level players as rookies.

Not totally disagreeing with you, but Pritchard was a 22 year old rookie.  Walsh is only 20 now.  Walsh may be closer to a rotation level player in 2 more years, but it is doubtful he will be next season.

maybe, I was just pointing out that PP got minutes because he was a rotation level player even as a rookie.  Walsh should have stayed in school. 2nd round pick on a good team where he will never play.  Doesn't bode well for him staying in league long term.

Walsh got to play 27 G-League games (nearly 30 min per game) and put up decent G-League numbers, while getting the opportunity to be around a championship environment and play some in 9 NBA games.  I don't know if staying in college would have been better for his development or not.  It certainly would not have been better for his cash flow.  He is a prospect.  Hauser, for example was 5 years in college.  He was more NBA ready as a 23 year old rookie than 19 year old Walsh, but I am not sure there is enough basis to write off Walsh just because he came out of college early.

I think there is enough evidence to declare that he probably will not be "NBA Ready" next season either, but based on what I have seen, he could well end up a better NBA player than either Hauser or Pritchard in time.  I am not going as far as predicting that, it is impossible to tell, but he has a lot going for him.  I have not given up on him based on his one season.  On the contrary, I think there was a lot to like.

good points on walsh and i agree. the question is his 3 point shooting. if he can develop that in the next few years he will a valuable rotation player.