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Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #60 on: June 25, 2024, 05:42:58 PM »

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The idea that the #35 pick is somehow more valuable than the #30 picks is still kind of silly to me. The difference in first year salary between those two picks is about 700K or so, so you save a little money but not like a ton. Pick number 35 still typically gets a 4 year contract with two guaranteed, not much different than the 30th pick.

The reason to trade down is if you get surplus value for it, like last year the C's trade down 8 spots and got FIVE extra second round picks. That's worth it. But trading down just to trade down doesn't make much sense to me.

Ultimately I'd just stay at 30 and take the bets guy available, or even buck the trend and take advantage of all the people trying to trade down by trading up if there's someone you like. Then take a 2 way guy at 54.


Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #61 on: June 25, 2024, 06:07:57 PM »

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The idea that the #35 pick is somehow more valuable than the #30 picks is still kind of silly to me. The difference in first year salary between those two picks is about 700K or so, so you save a little money but not like a ton. Pick number 35 still typically gets a 4 year contract with two guaranteed, not much different than the 30th pick.

The reason to trade down is if you get surplus value for it, like last year the C's trade down 8 spots and got FIVE extra second round picks. That's worth it. But trading down just to trade down doesn't make much sense to me.

Ultimately I'd just stay at 30 and take the bets guy available, or even buck the trend and take advantage of all the people trying to trade down by trading up if there's someone you like. Then take a 2 way guy at 54.

I think the 2-day draft might have some impact (maybe the first couple picks of round 2 can fetch more than picks 29 and 39 because there?s more time to negotiate with the information of who?s left on the board), but otherwise I agree.  The money difference isn?t huge, and if you?re drafting a guy for long-term development, it?s generally better to enter restricted free agency after year 4 than year 3 when you?ll have a better idea on how the player is developing, so it isn?t even clear cut.  Accordingly, better to pick earlier than later as the players will likely be marginally better.

Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #62 on: June 25, 2024, 06:09:23 PM »

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Brad Stevens said he anticipates actually using the #Celtics two draft picks (30 and 54). Stevens said trades will be difficult because of the second apron.  ? via Twitter GwashburnGlobe


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BOSTON -- The past week has been a whirlwind for Brad Stevens since the Celtics reached the goal he's been chasing since he arrived in Boston in 2013.

He's gone from coach to president of basketball operations during that time, experiencing all the failures and near misses it took to finally earn the franchise's 18th championship.

It's also why he's not allowing himself to get caught up in the expectations that already hover around the Celtics to do it again next season.

"The adulation doesn't mean much in all sincerity. And the scrutiny doesn't mean much either," Stevens said Tuesday. "If you hang a banner everybody is going to talk about how great you are. And if you don't, they're going to talk about how much you stink. ... If you tie your approach to that, then you're just going to ride a roller coaster that's not worth the journey. So, I think the most important thing is you appreciate the people you're with, you try your best to have the best season you can. And you just keep going."

"I think there's a lot of moving parts to keeping this roster sustainable beyond this year. But specifically to this year, we've got a lot of guys back," Stevens said. "It will be hard for any draft pick to crack our rotation when healthy. So we'll think about how we can continue to invest in young players and their development and growth, with the reality that if we're able to continue to move forward with this group -- these guys are going to be on the court."

While Stevens expects winning the title to put a target squarely on their backs next season, he bristles at the notion that the Celtics will be clear-cut favorites.

"I don't know what the league's going to look like in three weeks, so who knows?" Stevens said. "But I know this. Human nature is going to be another huge opponent. All of our opponents -- when you win -- the other 29 teams target you. It's a different thing to come back from to then be great again."

What this group has earned though, he said, is the opportunity to come back together to take on that challenge.

"We'll always evaluate how to make our team better," Stevens said. "But I think we would be crazy not to say that character and the foundation of this team is right. And let's see if we can be as consistent as we can. Grow. Develop. Get better. Improve. ... I'm not anticipating major changes, at least early on. Because I think this team deserves that."
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Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #63 on: June 25, 2024, 07:05:56 PM »

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Brad Stevens said he anticipates actually using the #Celtics two draft picks (30 and 54). Stevens said trades will be difficult because of the second apron.  ? via Twitter GwashburnGlobe
Makes sense, though a bit surprised we will use the 1st rounder. So they will add two guys to this developmental pipeline:
Walsh, Davison, Queta, Peterson

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« Reply #64 on: June 25, 2024, 07:59:26 PM »

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Brad Stevens said he anticipates actually using the #Celtics two draft picks (30 and 54). Stevens said trades will be difficult because of the second apron.  ? via Twitter GwashburnGlobe
Makes sense, though a bit surprised we will use the 1st rounder. So they will add two guys to this developmental pipeline:
Walsh, Davison, Queta, Peterson

Can?t tell everyone you?re going to trade them if you want to get value.  More accurately, however, he said he anticipated picking someone they liked at 30, or maybe trading if there was more than one player they liked.
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Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #65 on: June 25, 2024, 11:35:57 PM »

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What's the latest with Yam Madar? Has everyone given up on him? Really, we just need some serviceable 4th choice PG behind Jrue, DW, AND PP.

Also, like the idea of swinging for the fences on a big on the draft.
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« Reply #66 on: June 26, 2024, 01:23:51 AM »

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What's the latest with Yam Madar? Has everyone given up on him? Really, we just need some serviceable 4th choice PG behind Jrue, DW, AND PP.

Also, like the idea of swinging for the fences on a big on the draft.
I'll be curious whether Davison gets a chance. I would imagine they'll keep one of him or Springer. Davison shooting 26% from 3 with Maine last season works against him. Also Springer is under contract.
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« Reply #67 on: June 26, 2024, 01:31:07 AM »

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What's the latest with Yam Madar? Has everyone given up on him? Really, we just need some serviceable 4th choice PG behind Jrue, DW, AND PP.

Also, like the idea of swinging for the fences on a big on the draft.
Not sure if him or Begarin will ever get signed. Will probably get the Colton Iverson treatment and never be mentioned again.

Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #68 on: June 26, 2024, 03:42:34 AM »

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What's the latest with Yam Madar? Has everyone given up on him? Really, we just need some serviceable 4th choice PG behind Jrue, DW, AND PP.

Also, like the idea of swinging for the fences on a big on the draft.
I'll be curious whether Davison gets a chance. I would imagine they'll keep one of him or Springer. Davison shooting 26% from 3 with Maine last season works against him. Also Springer is under contract.

I think I?d rather have Springer over Davison at this point.

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« Reply #69 on: June 26, 2024, 08:17:13 AM »

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With KP's surgery and Brissett walking, I do think the bench needs some work.

PP, Hauser and that is about it for scoring.

Def. think they need to add more scoring. Can Walsh take the next step? What big plays to back up and spell Al while KP is out?

Not sure they can roll with just PP,  Sam, Walsh and Queta as true rotation players.

Walsh to be is a wildcard. I think he can be pretty good and fill in the Brissett minutes with some ease but Walsh needs to really take huge steps.

I don't see anything in Davidson. Would rather develop Springer.

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« Reply #70 on: June 26, 2024, 08:28:49 AM »

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With KP's surgery and Brissett walking, I do think the bench needs some work.

PP, Hauser and that is about it for scoring.

Def. think they need to add more scoring. Can Walsh take the next step? What big plays to back up and spell Al while KP is out?

Not sure they can roll with just PP,  Sam, Walsh and Queta as true rotation players.

Walsh to be is a wildcard. I think he can be pretty good and fill in the Brissett minutes with some ease but Walsh needs to really take huge steps.

I don't see anything in Davidson. Would rather develop Springer.

I think they need to re-sign Tillman for sure.  Get Hauser extended.  Make good picks.

Also, I'm not ready to give up on JD, he had a good year in Maine:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/d/davisjd01d.html
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« Reply #71 on: June 26, 2024, 01:47:04 PM »

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What's the latest with Yam Madar? Has everyone given up on him? Really, we just need some serviceable 4th choice PG behind Jrue, DW, AND PP.

Also, like the idea of swinging for the fences on a big on the draft.
I'll be curious whether Davison gets a chance. I would imagine they'll keep one of him or Springer. Davison shooting 26% from 3 with Maine last season works against him. Also Springer is under contract.

I think I?d rather have Springer over Davison at this point.

100%. Springer is an NBA caliber player. Davison is not at this point. Not sure he ever will be, tbh.
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« Reply #72 on: June 26, 2024, 02:05:16 PM »

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The idea that the #35 pick is somehow more valuable than the #30 picks is still kind of silly to me. The difference in first year salary between those two picks is about 700K or so, so you save a little money but not like a ton. Pick number 35 still typically gets a 4 year contract with two guaranteed, not much different than the 30th pick.

The reason to trade down is if you get surplus value for it, like last year the C's trade down 8 spots and got FIVE extra second round picks. That's worth it. But trading down just to trade down doesn't make much sense to me.

Ultimately I'd just stay at 30 and take the bets guy available, or even buck the trend and take advantage of all the people trying to trade down by trading up if there's someone you like. Then take a 2 way guy at 54.

I think the difference between #30 and #35 is that first round picks get guaranteed contracts as I understand it, unless they go play overseas.  Second round picks can be given 2-way deals.  I am sure there is more nuance to it than that but Davision was a second round pick, got a 2-way, Walsh was a first rounder, got a guaranteed contract, but didn't play anymore than a 2-way.  For some teams, that would not matter, but for the Celtics right now, every roster spot is strategic.

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« Reply #73 on: June 26, 2024, 02:05:25 PM »

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What's the latest with Yam Madar? Has everyone given up on him? Really, we just need some serviceable 4th choice PG behind Jrue, DW, AND PP.

Also, like the idea of swinging for the fences on a big on the draft.
I'll be curious whether Davison gets a chance. I would imagine they'll keep one of him or Springer. Davison shooting 26% from 3 with Maine last season works against him. Also Springer is under contract.

I think I?d rather have Springer over Davison at this point.

100%. Springer is an NBA caliber player. Davison is not at this point. Not sure he ever will be, tbh.

Davison can still play in Maine one more season on a 2-way, at least.  I will be curious to see if they offer him a qualifying offer this weekend.  My guess is that will not happen unless they do not wind up drafting anyone to give an NBA deal to.

Davison did get a mention by Brad along with Queta and Springer as guys they have offseason plans for, whereas Peterson and Svi were omitted, so he still might have a future here.

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« Reply #74 on: June 26, 2024, 02:24:00 PM »

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What's the latest with Yam Madar? Has everyone given up on him? Really, we just need some serviceable 4th choice PG behind Jrue, DW, AND PP.

Also, like the idea of swinging for the fences on a big on the draft.
I'll be curious whether Davison gets a chance. I would imagine they'll keep one of him or Springer. Davison shooting 26% from 3 with Maine last season works against him. Also Springer is under contract.

I think I?d rather have Springer over Davison at this point.

100%. Springer is an NBA caliber player. Davison is not at this point. Not sure he ever will be, tbh.

Davison can still play in Maine one more season on a 2-way, at least.  I will be curious to see if they offer him a qualifying offer this weekend.  My guess is that will not happen unless they do not wind up drafting anyone to give an NBA deal to.

Davison did get a mention by Brad along with Queta and Springer as guys they have offseason plans for, whereas Peterson and Svi were omitted, so he still might have a future here.

I think JD will be back one more year on a 2 way.  Unfortunately the guy won't make the rotation unless he can figure out how to shoot and limit his turnovers.