Porzingis injury updates (Update: Dislocated Tendon)

[BitterJim]

most of the sports doctors said its usually an 8 week injury, but possible they also saw some tendon damage and repaired that. also said he's not too concerned about full recovery and returning to the same player

also have to wonder if Boston is being very cautious with KP. everyone knows the real season doesn't start until after the all star break.

Boston was lucky in some ways they were able to steamroll to a finals with having him for basically 5 games. but say next year boston has to face a healthy bucks, knicks, sixers, Denver. I think you want the 7 ft 3 20ppg 7rpg player available.

it was pretty obvious in game 1 vs Mavs how different this team looks with him.

The thing is its a VERY rare injury, its rare on a "whole country" level let alone on a 7'3 NBA player level. So its hard to much much stock in expected timelines when its sort of an unprecedented injury.

The tendon he tore is a more typical injury, it's the dislocation that isn't. But do we know for sure that the other tendon actually dislocated, or just that the torn tendon could allow it to dislocate?

[keevsnick]

most of the sports doctors said its usually an 8 week injury, but possible they also saw some tendon damage and repaired that. also said he's not too concerned about full recovery and returning to the same player

also have to wonder if Boston is being very cautious with KP. everyone knows the real season doesn't start until after the all star break.

Boston was lucky in some ways they were able to steamroll to a finals with having him for basically 5 games. but say next year boston has to face a healthy bucks, knicks, sixers, Denver. I think you want the 7 ft 3 20ppg 7rpg player available.

it was pretty obvious in game 1 vs Mavs how different this team looks with him.

The thing is its a VERY rare injury, its rare on a "whole country" level let alone on a 7'3 NBA player level. So its hard to much much stock in expected timelines when its sort of an unprecedented injury.

The tendon he tore is a more typical injury, it's the dislocation that isn't. But do we know for sure that the other tendon actually dislocated, or just that the torn tendon could allow it to dislocate?

I'm pretty sure the initial release said there was a dislocation. What that actually menas could be anybodies guess.

Given the timetable my guess would be either they are going to be extremely conservative with him, or maybe they need to operate in an area that just doesn't get good blood flow and hence will take longer to heal.

[jambr380]

most of the sports doctors said its usually an 8 week injury, but possible they also saw some tendon damage and repaired that. also said he's not too concerned about full recovery and returning to the same player

also have to wonder if Boston is being very cautious with KP. everyone knows the real season doesn't start until after the all star break.

Boston was lucky in some ways they were able to steamroll to a finals with having him for basically 5 games. but say next year boston has to face a healthy bucks, knicks, sixers, Denver. I think you want the 7 ft 3 20ppg 7rpg player available.

it was pretty obvious in game 1 vs Mavs how different this team looks with him.

The thing is its a VERY rare injury, its rare on a "whole country" level let alone on a 7'3 NBA player level. So its hard to much much stock in expected timelines when its sort of an unprecedented injury.

The tendon he tore is a more typical injury, it's the dislocation that isn't. But do we know for sure that the other tendon actually dislocated, or just that the torn tendon could allow it to dislocate?

I'm pretty sure the initial release said there was a dislocation. What that actually menas could be anybodies guess.

Given the timetable my guess would be either they are going to be extremely conservative with him, or maybe they need to operate in an area that just doesn't get good blood flow and hence will take longer to heal.

Not to nitpick, but this is how the injury has always been described:

Porzingis has a torn medial retinaculum allowing dislocation of the posterior tibialis tendon in his left leg

That's what I think BJ meant by his response. Does the torn medial retinaculum automatically mean a dislocated posterior tibialis tendon or does it mean that the tendon is much more susceptible to being dislocated now that he has that tear?

Either way, we have our answer on the timeline, so it's pretty irrelevant how the initial diagnosis was worded.

[keevsnick]

most of the sports doctors said its usually an 8 week injury, but possible they also saw some tendon damage and repaired that. also said he's not too concerned about full recovery and returning to the same player

also have to wonder if Boston is being very cautious with KP. everyone knows the real season doesn't start until after the all star break.

Boston was lucky in some ways they were able to steamroll to a finals with having him for basically 5 games. but say next year boston has to face a healthy bucks, knicks, sixers, Denver. I think you want the 7 ft 3 20ppg 7rpg player available.

it was pretty obvious in game 1 vs Mavs how different this team looks with him.

The thing is its a VERY rare injury, its rare on a "whole country" level let alone on a 7'3 NBA player level. So its hard to much much stock in expected timelines when its sort of an unprecedented injury.

The tendon he tore is a more typical injury, it's the dislocation that isn't. But do we know for sure that the other tendon actually dislocated, or just that the torn tendon could allow it to dislocate?

I'm pretty sure the initial release said there was a dislocation. What that actually menas could be anybodies guess.

Given the timetable my guess would be either they are going to be extremely conservative with him, or maybe they need to operate in an area that just doesn't get good blood flow and hence will take longer to heal.

Not to nitpick, but this is how the injury has always been described:

Porzingis has a torn medial retinaculum allowing dislocation of the posterior tibialis tendon in his left leg

That's what I think BJ meant by his response. Does the torn medial retinaculum automatically mean a dislocated posterior tibialis tendon or does it mean that the tendon is much more susceptible to being dislocated now that he has that tear?

Either way, we have our answer on the timeline, so it's pretty irrelevant how the initial diagnosis was worded.

"Allowing" here is just fancy medical language for "this thing tore and this other things happened as a result" not "well now this thing COULD happen." Nobody lists injuries that could happen in a medical release. 

[libermaniac]

most of the sports doctors said its usually an 8 week injury, but possible they also saw some tendon damage and repaired that. also said he's not too concerned about full recovery and returning to the same player

also have to wonder if Boston is being very cautious with KP. everyone knows the real season doesn't start until after the all star break.

Boston was lucky in some ways they were able to steamroll to a finals with having him for basically 5 games. but say next year boston has to face a healthy bucks, knicks, sixers, Denver. I think you want the 7 ft 3 20ppg 7rpg player available.

it was pretty obvious in game 1 vs Mavs how different this team looks with him.

The thing is its a VERY rare injury, its rare on a "whole country" level let alone on a 7'3 NBA player level. So its hard to much much stock in expected timelines when its sort of an unprecedented injury.

The tendon he tore is a more typical injury, it's the dislocation that isn't. But do we know for sure that the other tendon actually dislocated, or just that the torn tendon could allow it to dislocate?

I'm pretty sure the initial release said there was a dislocation. What that actually menas could be anybodies guess.

Given the timetable my guess would be either they are going to be extremely conservative with him, or maybe they need to operate in an area that just doesn't get good blood flow and hence will take longer to heal.

Not to nitpick, but this is how the injury has always been described:

Porzingis has a torn medial retinaculum allowing dislocation of the posterior tibialis tendon in his left leg

That's what I think BJ meant by his response. Does the torn medial retinaculum automatically mean a dislocated posterior tibialis tendon or does it mean that the tendon is much more susceptible to being dislocated now that he has that tear?

Either way, we have our answer on the timeline, so it's pretty irrelevant how the initial diagnosis was worded.

"Allowing" here is just fancy medical language for "this thing tore and this other things happened as a result" not "well now this thing COULD happen." Nobody lists injuries that could happen in a medical release.

But I would assume that any time the sheath is torn the tendon will move some / dislocate. What do I know. Just surprised it went from 8 weeks to 5-6 months. The good news is that KP is way less likely to get injured while rehabbing vs playing. And we just need him for the stretch run / playoffs.

[SHAQATTACK]

Who knows maybe Brad watches KP really close , watches the free agent market and makes a trade if he thinks KP recovery is not going as he hopes .
Al is gonna need help. , that can play meaningful minutes.

[trickybilly]

Brad:

?Surgery went great. I think the way it impacts us is just making sure that we have the right amount of bodies at the start of the season,? Stevens said. ?But, obviously he?ll be back at some point soon into the season and we?ll go from there. Our guys did a really good job playing without him this year, and figuring out the best way to navigate those times. There?s no question we?re better when he?s on the floor. So, we?ll get him back when he?s fully healthy, get him ready to go, and let him do his little WWE entrance in the Garden whenever that time comes. Maybe we?ll need a jolt in December or whenever that time is and it will be a good little evening.?

I'm a bit surprised we didn't draft a senior big this draft.

If Al retires and Kristaps is hurt at the end of the coming season, we are going to be THIN. We won't have cap space to sign anyone above the minimum, so presumably our best bet is to nab a guy in the later stages of a rookie deal in trade. Just wondering which 2nd and 3rd year bigs, or lower salary guys do people have their eyes on?

For me, guys llke Sengun are fools gold. I think Duop Reath from Portland would suit us, and also maybe Paul Reed?

Who else should we be watching closely this coming season?

[Neurotic Guy]

Brad:

?Surgery went great. I think the way it impacts us is just making sure that we have the right amount of bodies at the start of the season,? Stevens said. ?But, obviously he?ll be back at some point soon into the season and we?ll go from there. Our guys did a really good job playing without him this year, and figuring out the best way to navigate those times. There?s no question we?re better when he?s on the floor. So, we?ll get him back when he?s fully healthy, get him ready to go, and let him do his little WWE entrance in the Garden whenever that time comes. Maybe we?ll need a jolt in December or whenever that time is and it will be a good little evening.?

I'm a bit surprised we didn't draft a senior big this draft.

If Al retires and Kristaps is hurt at the end of the coming season, we are going to be THIN. We won't have cap space to sign anyone above the minimum, so presumably our best bet is to nab a guy in the later stages of a rookie deal in trade. Just wondering which 2nd and 3rd year bigs, or lower salary guys do people have their eyes on?

For me, guys llke Sengun are fools gold. I think Duop Reath from Portland would suit us, and also maybe Paul Reed?

Who else should we be watching closely this coming season?

I guess the first players to watch will be Tillman, Q, and Luke.  With KP out and Al needing to watch minutes, they?ll get opportunities.  Will be interesting to see who will get the most minutes to start the season. I don?t expect any of the three to take the kind of leap we?d all wish for, but still will be fun to watch.  Tillman is my top hope and Qs been a project so you never know - he?s shown some tenacity, and  some rebounding and shot-blocking prowess. 

[Kernewek]

most of the sports doctors said its usually an 8 week injury, but possible they also saw some tendon damage and repaired that. also said he's not too concerned about full recovery and returning to the same player

also have to wonder if Boston is being very cautious with KP. everyone knows the real season doesn't start until after the all star break.

Boston was lucky in some ways they were able to steamroll to a finals with having him for basically 5 games. but say next year boston has to face a healthy bucks, knicks, sixers, Denver. I think you want the 7 ft 3 20ppg 7rpg player available.

it was pretty obvious in game 1 vs Mavs how different this team looks with him.

The thing is its a VERY rare injury, its rare on a "whole country" level let alone on a 7'3 NBA player level. So its hard to much much stock in expected timelines when its sort of an unprecedented injury.

The tendon he tore is a more typical injury, it's the dislocation that isn't. But do we know for sure that the other tendon actually dislocated, or just that the torn tendon could allow it to dislocate?

I'm pretty sure the initial release said there was a dislocation. What that actually menas could be anybodies guess.

Given the timetable my guess would be either they are going to be extremely conservative with him, or maybe they need to operate in an area that just doesn't get good blood flow and hence will take longer to heal.

Not to nitpick, but this is how the injury has always been described:

Porzingis has a torn medial retinaculum allowing dislocation of the posterior tibialis tendon in his left leg

That's what I think BJ meant by his response. Does the torn medial retinaculum automatically mean a dislocated posterior tibialis tendon or does it mean that the tendon is much more susceptible to being dislocated now that he has that tear?

Either way, we have our answer on the timeline, so it's pretty irrelevant how the initial diagnosis was worded.

"Allowing" here is just fancy medical language for "this thing tore and this other things happened as a result" not "well now this thing COULD happen." Nobody lists injuries that could happen in a medical release.

But I would assume that any time the sheath is torn the tendon will move some / dislocate. What do I know. Just surprised it went from 8 weeks to 5-6 months. The good news is that KP is way less likely to get injured while rehabbing vs playing. And we just need him for the stretch run / playoffs.

Somewhere John Wall sheds a tear.

[Roy H.]

Brad:

?Surgery went great. I think the way it impacts us is just making sure that we have the right amount of bodies at the start of the season,? Stevens said. ?But, obviously he?ll be back at some point soon into the season and we?ll go from there. Our guys did a really good job playing without him this year, and figuring out the best way to navigate those times. There?s no question we?re better when he?s on the floor. So, we?ll get him back when he?s fully healthy, get him ready to go, and let him do his little WWE entrance in the Garden whenever that time comes. Maybe we?ll need a jolt in December or whenever that time is and it will be a good little evening.?

I'm a bit surprised we didn't draft a senior big this draft.

If Al retires and Kristaps is hurt at the end of the coming season, we are going to be THIN. We won't have cap space to sign anyone above the minimum, so presumably our best bet is to nab a guy in the later stages of a rookie deal in trade. Just wondering which 2nd and 3rd year bigs, or lower salary guys do people have their eyes on?

For me, guys llke Sengun are fools gold. I think Duop Reath from Portland would suit us, and also maybe Paul Reed?

Who else should we be watching closely this coming season?

I guess the first players to watch will be Tillman, Q, and Luke.  With KP out and Al needing to watch minutes, they?ll get opportunities.  Will be interesting to see who will get the most minutes to start the season. I don?t expect any of the three to take the kind of leap we?d all wish for, but still will be fun to watch.  Tillman is my top hope and Qs been a project so you never know - he?s shown some tenacity, and  some rebounding and shot-blocking prowess.

I think Tilman will take a defensive leap, just due to familiarity.

Offensively, I'm curious if the team continues to see his as a spot-up outside shooter. 

[Big333223]

Brad:

?Surgery went great. I think the way it impacts us is just making sure that we have the right amount of bodies at the start of the season,? Stevens said. ?But, obviously he?ll be back at some point soon into the season and we?ll go from there. Our guys did a really good job playing without him this year, and figuring out the best way to navigate those times. There?s no question we?re better when he?s on the floor. So, we?ll get him back when he?s fully healthy, get him ready to go, and let him do his little WWE entrance in the Garden whenever that time comes. Maybe we?ll need a jolt in December or whenever that time is and it will be a good little evening.?

I'm a bit surprised we didn't draft a senior big this draft.

If Al retires and Kristaps is hurt at the end of the coming season, we are going to be THIN. We won't have cap space to sign anyone above the minimum, so presumably our best bet is to nab a guy in the later stages of a rookie deal in trade. Just wondering which 2nd and 3rd year bigs, or lower salary guys do people have their eyes on?

For me, guys llke Sengun are fools gold. I think Duop Reath from Portland would suit us, and also maybe Paul Reed?

Who else should we be watching closely this coming season?

I guess the first players to watch will be Tillman, Q, and Luke.  With KP out and Al needing to watch minutes, they?ll get opportunities.  Will be interesting to see who will get the most minutes to start the season. I don?t expect any of the three to take the kind of leap we?d all wish for, but still will be fun to watch.  Tillman is my top hope and Qs been a project so you never know - he?s shown some tenacity, and  some rebounding and shot-blocking prowess.

I think Tilman will take a defensive leap, just due to familiarity.

Offensively, I'm curious if the team continues to see his as a spot-up outside shooter.

I definitely thought the C's would add another big or at least another big wing to fill the front court this summer. The fact that they didn't seems like a vote of confidence in Tillman's ability to play the 5.

[Phantom255x]

Tillman to me feels like he can be a discount Horford replacement down the road, and I think the team envisions him that way too. Remember, Horford didn't start shooting 3s until about his 8th year in the league, and I think Tillman can become capable of at least taking open corner 3s or something similar (he made one in Game 3 of the Finals if folks remember).

Kornet to me is fine as a regular season 3rd or 4th big. But he's not really someone capable of playing in the playoffs and it was the case last season too. Queta is still a solid developmental big. I look at him like Hauser maybe, where 1-2 full offseasons of work and he can become a solid role player like Hauser has.

I'm not really worried about Porzingis missing time. Frankly, this team's report card will come April and beyond anyways. Just got to pray we can be healthy by then. The team is a lock to make the playoffs anyways and probably have a guaranteed Top-3 spot in the East. The regular season will mostly be boring lol

[trickybilly]

Dont get me wrong i really like Tillman (and Luke, and Q, for that matter), just wondering who some good upgrade targets are?

[perks-a-beast]

Dont get me wrong i really like Tillman (and Luke, and Q, for that matter), just wondering who some good upgrade targets are?

I would be ecstatic if we could somehow land Walker Kessler. He's the only big man trade candidate out there that excites me. He only makes $3 mill this year- and has a team option of 4.5mill next year- so salaries would be pretty easy to match. However, i'm sure Dannys asking price would be incredibly steep. He would probably want multiple 1st rounders and a couple of our young guys, probably Scheierman and/or Walsh.

[mef730]

Dont get me wrong i really like Tillman (and Luke, and Q, for that matter), just wondering who some good upgrade targets are?

I would be ecstatic if we could somehow land Walker Kessler. He's the only big man trade candidate out there that excites me. He only makes $3 mill this year- and has a team option of 4.5mill next year- so salaries would be pretty easy to match. However, i'm sure Dannys asking price would be incredibly steep. He would probably want multiple 1st rounders and a couple of our young guys, probably Scheierman and/or Walsh.

"Hey Danny, remember when Kevin McHale did you that solid..."