Porzingis injury updates (Update: Dislocated Tendon)

[scaryjerry]

I think a strategy could be to play Brissett some minutes while having Tatum or even Holiday play at the 5 for some minutes. One knock on Kornet is the belief that Gafford/Lively might out-physical him and be more effective grabbing boards, but Brissett is a hustle guy who can also grab boards and Tatum is more than capable of playing the 5. And playing small might not be a bad thing for a Dallas team that's poor and a bit slow defensively largely due to Luka.

Or they could also just let Kornet/Tillman combine for maybe 6-10 minutes depending on rotations.

I think Tillman is playable in this series. Yeah we might compromise offense a little but he's a great defender and very capable on switches. For just 6-8 minutes, it's not bad especially if it's timed for when Doncic is out of the game.

Gafford ate up Tatum in the post. You don't want Tatum on him.

Tatums been arguably our worst defender in this series on anyone.
To be fair that speaks volumes about our other guys.

What are you talking about? Tatum has been awesome defensively.

He?s been our 4th maybe even 5th best defender and is being hunted by the mavs?but ok

what are you talking about? sometimes i swear you just make up stuff to be purposely negative. Tatum has not been poor defensively.

The mavs are collectively shooting 60% when defended by Tatum and they?re hunting him.
Again, he?s been at best our 4th best defender and is shooting 30 something percent from the field.

This feels insubstantial, considering they're two games behind and collectively shooting 48% eFG for the series. If they're hunting Tatum, it doesn't seem to be working very well.

And if the Celtics lose the next 2 games and Tatum continues to play exactly how he has, you?re going to be thrilled?

[Birdman]

Saying he torn something, he?s out rest of the series

[gift]

I think a strategy could be to play Brissett some minutes while having Tatum or even Holiday play at the 5 for some minutes. One knock on Kornet is the belief that Gafford/Lively might out-physical him and be more effective grabbing boards, but Brissett is a hustle guy who can also grab boards and Tatum is more than capable of playing the 5. And playing small might not be a bad thing for a Dallas team that's poor and a bit slow defensively largely due to Luka.

Or they could also just let Kornet/Tillman combine for maybe 6-10 minutes depending on rotations.

I think Tillman is playable in this series. Yeah we might compromise offense a little but he's a great defender and very capable on switches. For just 6-8 minutes, it's not bad especially if it's timed for when Doncic is out of the game.

Gafford ate up Tatum in the post. You don't want Tatum on him.

Tatums been arguably our worst defender in this series on anyone.
To be fair that speaks volumes about our other guys.

What are you talking about? Tatum has been awesome defensively.

He?s been our 4th maybe even 5th best defender and is being hunted by the mavs?but ok

what are you talking about? sometimes i swear you just make up stuff to be purposely negative. Tatum has not been poor defensively.

The mavs are collectively shooting 60% when defended by Tatum and they?re hunting him.
Again, he?s been at best our 4th best defender and is shooting 30 something percent from the field.

This feels insubstantial, considering they're two games behind and collectively shooting 48% eFG for the series. If they're hunting Tatum, it doesn't seem to be working very well.

i haven't completely looked into it, but i saw the argument somewhere else with some clips purported to support it. what i think is happening is a combo of 1) tatum guarding luka and 2) tatum guarding bigs and 3) when tatum is matched up against any wings, they tend to not be shooting. this does not mean tatum is being hunted or has particularly weak defense. the only celtics i've seen "hunted" were hauser, pritchard (to mixed results) and porzingis for a few minutes after the injury where he clearly wasn't moving well.

[Redz]

I think a strategy could be to play Brissett some minutes while having Tatum or even Holiday play at the 5 for some minutes. One knock on Kornet is the belief that Gafford/Lively might out-physical him and be more effective grabbing boards, but Brissett is a hustle guy who can also grab boards and Tatum is more than capable of playing the 5. And playing small might not be a bad thing for a Dallas team that's poor and a bit slow defensively largely due to Luka.

Or they could also just let Kornet/Tillman combine for maybe 6-10 minutes depending on rotations.

I think Tillman is playable in this series. Yeah we might compromise offense a little but he's a great defender and very capable on switches. For just 6-8 minutes, it's not bad especially if it's timed for when Doncic is out of the game.

Gafford ate up Tatum in the post. You don't want Tatum on him.

Tatums been arguably our worst defender in this series on anyone.
To be fair that speaks volumes about our other guys.

What are you talking about? Tatum has been awesome defensively.

He?s been our 4th maybe even 5th best defender and is being hunted by the mavs?but ok

what are you talking about? sometimes i swear you just make up stuff to be purposely negative. Tatum has not been poor defensively.

The mavs are collectively shooting 60% when defended by Tatum and they?re hunting him.
Again, he?s been at best our 4th best defender and is shooting 30 something percent from the field.

This feels insubstantial, considering they're two games behind and collectively shooting 48% eFG for the series. If they're hunting Tatum, it doesn't seem to be working very well.

i haven't completely looked into it, but i saw the argument somewhere else with some clips purported to support it. what i think is happening is a combo of 1) tatum guarding luka and 2) tatum guarding bigs and 3) when tatum is matched up against any wings, they tend to not be shooting. this does not mean tatum is being hunted or has particularly weak defense. the only celtics i've seen "hunted" were hauser, pritchard (to mixed results) and porzingis for a few minutes after the injury where he clearly wasn't moving well.

Let them hunt whoever they want.  They?re averaging like 20 points below average through 2 games. 

[4THQTR]

With regards to Boston?s defensive scheme, match-up hunting, and Tatum?s impact, I strongly recommend the below break-downs:

Thinking Basketball - Boston?s Defensive Scheme
https://youtu.be/C8zB3avFhak?feature=shared

Thinking Basketball - Mismatch Hunting
https://youtu.be/zJyHNqUbtOA?feature=shared

John Schuhmann - Celtics win Luka Doncic vs. Jayson Tatum matchups
https://www.nba.com/news/2024-nba-finals-film-study-game-2

[gift]

I think a strategy could be to play Brissett some minutes while having Tatum or even Holiday play at the 5 for some minutes. One knock on Kornet is the belief that Gafford/Lively might out-physical him and be more effective grabbing boards, but Brissett is a hustle guy who can also grab boards and Tatum is more than capable of playing the 5. And playing small might not be a bad thing for a Dallas team that's poor and a bit slow defensively largely due to Luka.

Or they could also just let Kornet/Tillman combine for maybe 6-10 minutes depending on rotations.

I think Tillman is playable in this series. Yeah we might compromise offense a little but he's a great defender and very capable on switches. For just 6-8 minutes, it's not bad especially if it's timed for when Doncic is out of the game.

Gafford ate up Tatum in the post. You don't want Tatum on him.

Tatums been arguably our worst defender in this series on anyone.
To be fair that speaks volumes about our other guys.

What are you talking about? Tatum has been awesome defensively.

He?s been our 4th maybe even 5th best defender and is being hunted by the mavs?but ok

what are you talking about? sometimes i swear you just make up stuff to be purposely negative. Tatum has not been poor defensively.

The mavs are collectively shooting 60% when defended by Tatum and they?re hunting him.
Again, he?s been at best our 4th best defender and is shooting 30 something percent from the field.

This feels insubstantial, considering they're two games behind and collectively shooting 48% eFG for the series. If they're hunting Tatum, it doesn't seem to be working very well.

i haven't completely looked into it, but i saw the argument somewhere else with some clips purported to support it. what i think is happening is a combo of 1) tatum guarding luka and 2) tatum guarding bigs and 3) when tatum is matched up against any wings, they tend to not be shooting. this does not mean tatum is being hunted or has particularly weak defense. the only celtics i've seen "hunted" were hauser, pritchard (to mixed results) and porzingis for a few minutes after the injury where he clearly wasn't moving well.

Let them hunt whoever they want.  They?re averaging like 20 points below average through 2 games.

i agree

[Phantom255x]

I think he's gonna be out tonight, and he'll only come back if things become dicey (like DAL ties it 2-2, or it's 3-2 either side with a road Game 6). If Boston goes up 3-1 or even 3-0, I think KP will be held out.

[jpotter33]

The idea that they?re ?hunting? Tatum is just pure Tatum-hating garbage. He got caught in a few iso matchups with Doncic and low post situations with Gafford that they scored on, but that?s hardly hinting. The Luka ones were just better offense over good defense, and the two Gafford buckets were just Tatum getting caught a little too low with Gafford and not able to do anything at that point. Hunting is what we do to the worst perimeter defender we?ve faced in the playoffs in Luka.

It?s on par with the the equally ridiculous claim that Luka is actually playing good defense and being blown by on purpose - to the tune of having the most blow-bys in a single game in the playoffs for the last decade - per their defensive scheme.

It?s just a non-sensical take based

[liam]

I think a strategy could be to play Brissett some minutes while having Tatum or even Holiday play at the 5 for some minutes. One knock on Kornet is the belief that Gafford/Lively might out-physical him and be more effective grabbing boards, but Brissett is a hustle guy who can also grab boards and Tatum is more than capable of playing the 5. And playing small might not be a bad thing for a Dallas team that's poor and a bit slow defensively largely due to Luka.

Or they could also just let Kornet/Tillman combine for maybe 6-10 minutes depending on rotations.

I think Tillman is playable in this series. Yeah we might compromise offense a little but he's a great defender and very capable on switches. For just 6-8 minutes, it's not bad especially if it's timed for when Doncic is out of the game.

Gafford ate up Tatum in the post. You don't want Tatum on him.

Gafford had 13 points and can't make a free throw to save his life.

Is there a point you trying to make here?

Yeah, that Gafford didn't eat anyone up...

[KGs Knee]

I'm wondering if they can stabilize the ankle with some sort of brace that he can play with? It seems he's not really feeling any pain and can walk normally. I think a lot will come down to whether or not the risk of further damage is too great or not, but also, how effective he would even be if he can tough it out.

[Roy H.]

I'm wondering if they can stabilize the ankle with some sort of brace that he can play with? It seems he's not really feeling any pain and can walk normally. I think a lot will come down to whether or not the risk of further damage is too great or not, but also, how effective he would even be if he can tough it out.

Yeah, those are the two issues.  Is it worth the risk, and can he play effectively?

[letsgoblue86]

I'm wondering if they can stabilize the ankle with some sort of brace that he can play with? It seems he's not really feeling any pain and can walk normally. I think a lot will come down to whether or not the risk of further damage is too great or not, but also, how effective he would even be if he can tough it out.

This is what has been theorized. If they can stabilize it then he should be able to play.

[ozgod]

I'm wondering if they can stabilize the ankle with some sort of brace that he can play with? It seems he's not really feeling any pain and can walk normally. I think a lot will come down to whether or not the risk of further damage is too great or not, but also, how effective he would even be if he can tough it out.

Yes, they can try to do that. The question will be how much can it be stabilized externally, given the loads that athletes, especially pro basketball players, put on their ankle, to the point where a) there's no pain; b) there's no (significant) deterioration in performance; and c) there's no risk of dislocation or other tendon damage.

If this had happened to one of us, we would be walking around not worrying about it, probably wouldn't even realize we had it. Eventually the tear would heal on its own. But obviously we don't put our ankles and joints under the types of stresses that an athlete would 

I have a feeling that they might see if he can give it a go tonight, see how he feels and see if he can handle things. Because the only way he will know is to try it out. If he can't perform to the required standard then he'll know pretty quickly just from the movement. But the medical staff have to make a detrermination as to the risk of aggravation, and he's a pretty fragile fella.

[Phantom255x]

Ultimately I think we can survive with Tillman playing about 6-10 minutes and Horford playing a few more minutes than usual (so from 28-30 minutes, to around 32). KP was playing about 20-22 minutes in the first two games, it's not like he was going 40+ minutes either.

[hpantazo]

I'm wondering if they can stabilize the ankle with some sort of brace that he can play with? It seems he's not really feeling any pain and can walk normally. I think a lot will come down to whether or not the risk of further damage is too great or not, but also, how effective he would even be if he can tough it out.

Yes, they can try to do that. The question will be how much can it be stabilized externally, given the loads that athletes, especially pro basketball players, put on their ankle, to the point where a) there's no pain; b) there's no (significant) deterioration in performance; and c) there's no risk of dislocation or other tendon damage.

If this had happened to one of us, we would be walking around not worrying about it, probably wouldn't even realize we had it. Eventually the tear would heal on its own. But obviously we don't put our ankles and joints under the types of stresses that an athlete would 

I have a feeling that they might see if he can give it a go tonight, see how he feels and see if he can handle things. Because the only way he will know is to try it out. If he can't perform to the required standard then he'll know pretty quickly just from the movement. But the medical staff have to make a detrermination as to the risk of aggravation, and he's a pretty fragile fella.

That's probably why reports of this type of injury are so rare.