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Re: 2024 NBA draft:
« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2024, 12:10:17 PM »

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Quinten Post From the Ringer:
 

"PLUSES
Knockdown shooter from the center position: He made 42.9 percent of his 3s over his final two collegiate seasons. He also made 83.2 percent of his free throws.

Incredibly coordinated big man who displays excellent touch on floaters and hook shots, making him a prime candidate to thrive out of the short roll. He can also attack closeouts off the dribble to drive into sweeping runners and layups.

Capable of running dribble handoffs as a perimeter facilitator. He?s not a flashy passer, but he can make the simple play. Combine his shooting, straight-line driving, and passing skills, and you have an intriguing fit in a ton of systems.

Reliable interior defender who alters and blocks shots without fouling. Boston College was 21.6 points per 100 possessions worse on defense when Post was off the floor, per CBB Analytics.

MINUSES
His handle tends to get a little too loose on post-ups. Despite his last name, he?s better when he?s facing up rather than playing with his back to the basket.

Can he expand on his standstill shooting ability? He can spot up and pick-and-pop, but adding some movement shooting would bring a unique dimension to his game as a 7-footer."

Baylor Scheierman from The Ringer:

PLUSES
Versatile shooter who can drain 3s from way beyond the arc using screens, handoffs, and movement within the flow of the offense.

Capable ball handler who can attack closeouts using the threat of his jumper with pump fakes to get into pull-ups and floaters. He can also get all the way to the rim for touch finishes high off the glass.

Pick-and-roll skills give him additive value. He?s more than just a shooting specialist.

High-feel player. He makes timely passes as a connective piece, he?s a willing screener, and he?s a great rebounder for his position.

Solid defender who puts in excellent effort and plays attentively. If his athleticism continues to progress, he?ll at least be serviceable.

MINUSES
He?s not a great athlete. He dunks only when he has space. And he?s limited defensively with heavy feet moving laterally.

Logged only 29 blocks in 162 collegiate games and averaged less than one steal per game.
 

Re: 2024 NBA draft:
« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2024, 12:21:35 PM »

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It reminds me of the Anthony Bennett 2013 draft. The best player was Giannis Antetkounmp who went 15th. Rudy Gobert went 27th. Everyone else was either a bust or a role player....

Oladipo was a 2-time All-Star at age 26 before he got hurt and has never been the same.  But yes, this is a pretty weak draft.  Also reminds me of 2011, without Kyrie at the top.  A bunch of internationals and more upper-classmen than usual.  The question is which one is Jimmy Butler and which ones are MarShon Brooks and JuJuan Johnson?

Re: 2024 NBA draft:
« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2024, 03:24:38 PM »

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Brad has only made 3 selections as the Celtics General Manager: Begarin, Davison, and Walsh.

Begarin and Walsh are very similar. Neither of them were really great at basketball. But they were young high effort, compete level guys that had phenomenal athleticism and great length. Davison is a bit different in that he doesn't have prototypical size/strength. However, like the wings, he had elite athleticism and a weak but not broken jumper.

So based on the very limited 3 pick sample size it seems Brad like raw, effort guys that are great athletes. He also seems to be very happy to draft non-shooters that could reasonably develop that jumper.

The first guy in this draft that comes to mind here would be Ryan Dunn. He, like Walsh and Begarin is an insane athlete with a phenomenal motor that sucks at offense. The big differences is that his jumper seems like a much taller task to fix than Begarin and Walsh's. Also Begarin and to some extent Walsh, had flashed some other offensive skills. Dunn becomes useless offensivley any time someone on the other team stands between him and the rim. He's more than 2 years older than those guys were on draft day. On the plus side he's more NBA ready defensively than the other two. Those guys had the tools and effort levels to become great defenders. Dunn is already NBA ready on that end.

The next guy that jumped out to me is Trentyn Flowers. He's also a great athlete, young and raw. Full disclosure I watched 0 seconds of him so I'm basing this on reading 3 or 4 scouting reports. It seems he has reasonably good vision and makes some good passes. But the game is basically too fast for him at times so he makes a lot of bad turnovers. His handle is weak, but he's flashed the ability to beat people off the dribble when he's not dribbling it off his legs. He's also supposedly solid base as a catch and shoot guy. Seems like a solid project as the base seems to exist to be a strong two way player. He just needs to refine his fundamentals which is a reasonable ask for a 19 year old prospect at the end of the first round.

Finally, Pacome Dadiet. He's young, just 18 on draft night, has a good frame and good athleticism. And while he's raw, there aren't any parts of his game that look totally hopeless. He's good good touch and a good looking jumper. He's flashed some passing ability as well.

After doing this I'm sure Brad will buck the trend and draft some 23 year old non-athlete with an NBA ready jump shot. But if he keeps to his trend maybe we'll see one of these guys in Maine next season.

Re: 2024 NBA draft:
« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2024, 04:03:53 PM »

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Brad has only made 3 selections as the Celtics General Manager: Begarin, Davison, and Walsh.

Begarin and Walsh are very similar. Neither of them were really great at basketball. But they were young high effort, compete level guys that had phenomenal athleticism and great length. Davison is a bit different in that he doesn't have prototypical size/strength. However, like the wings, he had elite athleticism and a weak but not broken jumper.

So based on the very limited 3 pick sample size it seems Brad like raw, effort guys that are great athletes. He also seems to be very happy to draft non-shooters that could reasonably develop that jumper.

The first guy in this draft that comes to mind here would be Ryan Dunn. He, like Walsh and Begarin is an insane athlete with a phenomenal motor that sucks at offense. The big differences is that his jumper seems like a much taller task to fix than Begarin and Walsh's. Also Begarin and to some extent Walsh, had flashed some other offensive skills. Dunn becomes useless offensivley any time someone on the other team stands between him and the rim. He's more than 2 years older than those guys were on draft day. On the plus side he's more NBA ready defensively than the other two. Those guys had the tools and effort levels to become great defenders. Dunn is already NBA ready on that end.

Dunn was actually a relatively good three-point shooter in high school.  But when he got to UVa he deferred to the upperclassmen and rarely shot the three.  He just wanted to get on the court so he focused on defense, shot-blocking, offensive rebounding, and the occasional transition opportunity.  And it worked!  He got playing time.

Last season he was one of only two returning rotation players, so he was thrust into the starting lineup.  His defense was otherworldly.  He literally shut down point guards through power forwards.  His weak-side help was incredible as he blocked more shots last season than any other UVa player not named Ralph Sampson (or center Kris Hunter in 1998)-- and that was while playing PF.

But for some reason, he got the yips.  He started off cold from three, and it just fed on itself.  Then it infected his free throws. 

He's got really nice form, but he literally airballed at least eight FTs last year.  That's not a "he can't shoot" situation necessarily.  It was a "he's got zero confidence" situation.

From there he never looked for his own offense unless it was in transition, or on an offensive board.  He just rarely, if ever, shot the ball.

He did have about 6-8 situations in late-in-the-shot-clock scenarios where he got the ball in the post and knew he had to shoot.  In those cases he displayed a gorgeous turnaround baseline jumper.  Fans didn't know what to think. 

How could that turnaround be so pure, but every other jump shot was subject to his nerves?  And his free throws?

What he needs to do is go to the G-League for a season and just be given the green light to shoot all the time, with no repurcussions.  Then slowly give him some mop-up time in NBA games where he can slowly build his confidence.

Right now he could be an All NBA honorable mention for his defensive skills.

Re: 2024 NBA draft:
« Reply #49 on: June 24, 2024, 06:56:53 PM »

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I d pick Brony .  Draft- nap him.

And hold Bron and Lakers hostage .  Give me a 1 st round pick , or else he lives in Boston.

Re: 2024 NBA draft:
« Reply #50 on: June 24, 2024, 07:19:26 PM »

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I d pick Brony .  Draft- nap him.

And hold Bron and Lakers hostage .  Give me a 1 st round pick , or else he lives in Boston.

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Re: 2024 NBA draft:
« Reply #51 on: June 24, 2024, 10:24:11 PM »

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Drafting Bronny makes sense, especially if you think that Lebron wants to play with his son. I think he does.

I think Bronny will play on the same team as his dad, regardless of what it takes. Lebron is one of the biggest power brokers in the NBA.

Draft the kid, trade him for a future draft pick or two, and maybe pick up a rotational player while you're at it. This might be possible, especially if Lebron is looking to move cities.
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Re: 2024 NBA draft:
« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2024, 02:12:22 PM »

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There are some teams working out Quinten Post. The Thunder would probably be the best of the teams working him out. Some size that can shoot for the deep bench.


Good draft breakdown:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSRWHEvQa2I&t=30s
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Re: 2024 NBA draft:
« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2024, 02:55:48 PM »

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I?m hoping the C?s draft Tyler Smith. He?s only 18 and is playing for the G-league ignite. 6?10 PF/C that can shoot the 3.  Versatile big, lots of potential.
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Re: 2024 NBA draft:
« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2024, 03:00:47 PM »

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I?m hoping the C?s draft Tyler Smith. He?s only 18 and is playing for the G-league ignite. 6?10 PF/C that can shoot the 3.  Versatile big, lots of potential.

Ya he'd be I think second on my list behind Ware, and there's a better chance he's there at 30 while Ware will likely be off the board by then.

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« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2024, 10:40:07 PM »

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I?m hoping the C?s draft Tyler Smith. He?s only 18 and is playing for the G-league ignite. 6?10 PF/C that can shoot the 3.  Versatile big, lots of potential.

Ya he'd be I think second on my list behind Ware, and there's a better chance he's there at 30 while Ware will likely be off the board by then.

Yeah, Ware is likely going to go in the mid 20?s. I doubt the C?s would try to move up to get him.
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Re: 2024 NBA draft:
« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2024, 10:55:06 PM »

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Hoping for Filipowski or Holmes. Although I think Holmes has a draft promise from Denver but we?ll see
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Re: 2024 NBA draft:
« Reply #57 on: June 26, 2024, 01:33:52 AM »

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Whoever they draft is likely to be young, athletic and has a big work ethic. I don't think they can afford to mess around with Bronny. They're so limited in what they can do to improve the roster, their goal will be to keep taking swings and hope they can find another Hauser or Kornet - someone who can make their rotation in 2 to 3 years.

Re: 2024 NBA draft:
« Reply #58 on: June 26, 2024, 07:49:38 AM »

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Just saw an updated mock on ESPN:

30:  Jaylon Tyson, SG/SF, Cal
54:  Jalen Bridges, SF, Baylor

Just what we need, more Jays and more wings....

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/40403204/2024-nba-mock-draft-latest-first-second-round-predictions-all-58-picks
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Re: 2024 NBA draft:
« Reply #59 on: June 26, 2024, 07:54:21 AM »

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I also read an interesting trade proposal:

Pritchard and 30 to Orlando for the 18.

I really like Pritchard, but I might just do this one to get a shot at a big.
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