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[Birdman]

A new detail has emerged about the Celtics' efforts before trading Jaylen Brown to Philadelphia. 👀

According to @JonKrawczynski, Boston previously offered Brown to the Timberwolves in exchange for a package centered around Rudy Gobert and future draft capital.

Minnesota reportedly wasn't interested, and the deal never got off the ground. Instead, Brown was eventually traded to the 76ers, revealing that the Celtics had explored multiple paths before making their blockbuster move.

Dang Celtics wanted to get rid of Brown badly but it is his contract was why teams didn?t want him. Way too much money in the future for him

[Birdman]

Really like the 2 picks. Cenac reminds me of Chris Bosh & surprise he fell that far. Mitchell can be a good second unit guy if he get shooting better.

[Who]

Really like the 2 picks. Cenac reminds me of Chris Bosh & surprise he fell that far. Mitchell can be a good second unit guy if he get shooting better.

Does Cenac have the shot creation to be a star talent?

Or is he just an athletic role player with a jump-shot?

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Really like the 2 picks. Cenac reminds me of Chris Bosh & surprise he fell that far. Mitchell can be a good second unit guy if he get shooting better.

Does Cenac have the shot creation to be a star talent?

Or is he just an athletic role player with a jump-shot?

I think that is the question. He seems to have some raw talent and skill offensively, but he doesn't seem to have the natural feel for scoring.

[Celtics4ever]

That feel can be developed as you get better you get more confident and assert your game more.   We have seen this recently with Scheierman, Queta, and Walsh and all these guys games improved.

I don't think people grasp what going up a level in sports mean that well.   These guys were top dogs in high school, some were top dogs in college and they are exploring being pros.  Every level you go up the guys are bigger, stronger, faster and more skilled there is some adjustment as you move up.  You even see this variance in college levels from DIII to DI.  Even guys like Jordan only scored 13.5 PPG his freshmen year at UNC.  Though it has been said Deam Smith was the only man who could keep to under 15 PPG.  JK

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/michael-jordan-1.html

Cenac has elite athletic ability and a strong base of skills for a 6-10 guy.   He is not going to be the next Jordan but he could be a good pro if we bring him along, right.  Maybe the next Big Shot Bob, let's hope!

The tools are there, he just needs to work at his craft and figure if he is a 4 or 5 or stretch 4.

[Goldstar88]

Celtics didn't pass on Giannis over money; Shams reveals what killed trade:

On Thursday Shams Charania of ESPN came out and shot that one down more definitely than anything we?ve heard to date. On the Pat McAfee Show, Shams was asked about the extension rumor and basically scoffed, shaking his head and making it clear that there was no validity to that report.

The breakdown with the Giannis, Boston conversations was very simple. The Celtics did not want to give up Hugo Gonzalez and/or Baylor Scheierman and another draft asset when the Bucks asked for that.

[86MaxwellSmart]

Celtics didn't pass on Giannis over money; Shams reveals what killed trade:

On Thursday Shams Charania of ESPN came out and shot that one down more definitely than anything we?ve heard to date. On the Pat McAfee Show, Shams was asked about the extension rumor and basically scoffed, shaking his head and making it clear that there was no validity to that report.

The breakdown with the Giannis, Boston conversations was very simple. The Celtics did not want to give up Hugo Gonzalez and/or Baylor Scheierman and another draft asset when the Bucks asked for that.

Well, I did see Shams talking to both Brad and Bill at the Summer League in Vegas on Monday...so I'm guessing that's what they were talking about.

[Vermont Green]

Celtics didn't pass on Giannis over money; Shams reveals what killed trade:

On Thursday Shams Charania of ESPN came out and shot that one down more definitely than anything we?ve heard to date. On the Pat McAfee Show, Shams was asked about the extension rumor and basically scoffed, shaking his head and making it clear that there was no validity to that report.

The breakdown with the Giannis, Boston conversations was very simple. The Celtics did not want to give up Hugo Gonzalez and/or Baylor Scheierman and another draft asset when the Bucks asked for that.

I don't know what to make of these "reports".  Shams getting the scoop on the actual trade announcement is one thing, but this kind of detail?  I have some doubt, but maybe.

So the deal could have been Brown, (3) firsts, and Scheierman or Hugo, and maybe both?  That package is way better than the MIA package, unless you don't value Brown as higher than Herro.  If you have Herro = Brown, then sure, maybe MIA is a better deal.  But if you assume that Brown >>>>> Herro, than that BOS deal is way better than the MIA deal.

Another way to look at this.  Say you did the PHI trade first.  Would you then trade Paul George, Hugo, Scheierman, and 5 first (the 2 from PHI plus the 3 that MIL wanted) to MIL for Giannis?

I would probably do Brown + 3 picks, or Brown + Scheierman + 2 picks, but not Brown, Scheierman, Hugo, and 3 Picks.

[SparzWizard]

Celtics didn't pass on Giannis over money; Shams reveals what killed trade:

On Thursday Shams Charania of ESPN came out and shot that one down more definitely than anything we?ve heard to date. On the Pat McAfee Show, Shams was asked about the extension rumor and basically scoffed, shaking his head and making it clear that there was no validity to that report.

The breakdown with the Giannis, Boston conversations was very simple. The Celtics did not want to give up Hugo Gonzalez and/or Baylor Scheierman and another draft asset when the Bucks asked for that.

I don't know what to make of these "reports".  Shams getting the scoop on the actual trade announcement is one thing, but this kind of detail?  I have some doubt, but maybe.

So the deal could have been Brown, (3) firsts, and Scheierman or Hugo, and maybe both?  That package is way better than the MIA package, unless you don't value Brown as higher than Herro.  If you have Herro = Brown, then sure, maybe MIA is a better deal.  But if you assume that Brown >>>>> Herro, than that BOS deal is way better than the MIA deal.

Another way to look at this.  Say you did the PHI trade first.  Would you then trade Paul George, Hugo, Scheierman, and 5 first (the 2 from PHI plus the 3 that MIL wanted) to MIL for Giannis?

I would probably do Brown + 3 picks, or Brown + Scheierman + 2 picks, but not Brown, Scheierman, Hugo, and 3 Picks.

C's still got the worse return with 36 y/o Paul George and four picks as opposed to shipping Brown, Baylor or Hugo, and picks for proven, superstar-known Giannis [and Portis].

[Neurotic Guy]

Celtics didn't pass on Giannis over money; Shams reveals what killed trade:

On Thursday Shams Charania of ESPN came out and shot that one down more definitely than anything we?ve heard to date. On the Pat McAfee Show, Shams was asked about the extension rumor and basically scoffed, shaking his head and making it clear that there was no validity to that report.

The breakdown with the Giannis, Boston conversations was very simple. The Celtics did not want to give up Hugo Gonzalez and/or Baylor Scheierman and another draft asset when the Bucks asked for that.

I don't know what to make of these "reports".  Shams getting the scoop on the actual trade announcement is one thing, but this kind of detail?  I have some doubt, but maybe.

So the deal could have been Brown, (3) firsts, and Scheierman or Hugo, and maybe both?  That package is way better than the MIA package, unless you don't value Brown as higher than Herro.  If you have Herro = Brown, then sure, maybe MIA is a better deal.  But if you assume that Brown >>>>> Herro, than that BOS deal is way better than the MIA deal.

Another way to look at this.  Say you did the PHI trade first.  Would you then trade Paul George, Hugo, Scheierman, and 5 first (the 2 from PHI plus the 3 that MIL wanted) to MIL for Giannis?

I would probably do Brown + 3 picks, or Brown + Scheierman + 2 picks, but not Brown, Scheierman, Hugo, and 3 Picks.

C's still got the worse return with 36 y/o Paul George and four picks as opposed to shipping Brown, Baylor or Hugo, and picks for proven, superstar-known Giannis [and Portis].

You know as well as anyone that the return of Giannis and Portis is only a good return if GA is healthy, and that?s probably a 60-40 probability.  Like you, id have done it and I?d be ecstatic right now, but that was a trade that could go up in flames quickly and leave you without assets to rebuild.  Given that, I?m not crying over not making that trade and I?m hopeful that the PG trade plays out well.

[Roy H.]

Celtics didn't pass on Giannis over money; Shams reveals what killed trade:

On Thursday Shams Charania of ESPN came out and shot that one down more definitely than anything we?ve heard to date. On the Pat McAfee Show, Shams was asked about the extension rumor and basically scoffed, shaking his head and making it clear that there was no validity to that report.

The breakdown with the Giannis, Boston conversations was very simple. The Celtics did not want to give up Hugo Gonzalez and/or Baylor Scheierman and another draft asset when the Bucks asked for that.

I don't know what to make of these "reports".  Shams getting the scoop on the actual trade announcement is one thing, but this kind of detail?  I have some doubt, but maybe.

So the deal could have been Brown, (3) firsts, and Scheierman or Hugo, and maybe both?  That package is way better than the MIA package, unless you don't value Brown as higher than Herro.  If you have Herro = Brown, then sure, maybe MIA is a better deal.  But if you assume that Brown >>>>> Herro, than that BOS deal is way better than the MIA deal.

Another way to look at this.  Say you did the PHI trade first.  Would you then trade Paul George, Hugo, Scheierman, and 5 first (the 2 from PHI plus the 3 that MIL wanted) to MIL for Giannis?

I would probably do Brown + 3 picks, or Brown + Scheierman + 2 picks, but not Brown, Scheierman, Hugo, and 3 Picks.

C's still got the worse return with 36 y/o Paul George and four picks as opposed to shipping Brown, Baylor or Hugo, and picks for proven, superstar-known Giannis [and Portis].

Yeah...  It's hard to know what MIL would have accepted from us, and whether they ever actually told us "We will do the deal if you accept this offer", but if we could have gotten Giannis (and potentially Portis) for Brown, 2026 #1, 2027 #1, Scheierman, then it's negligent not to pull the trigger on that.  Particularly since Brown was going to be traded no matter how bad the return.

I could have defended turning down including Hugo and a 2031 or later first, although that was before, I knew that the other option was slamming our window shut and wasting Tatum's prime.

[Surferdad]

Celtics didn't pass on Giannis over money; Shams reveals what killed trade:

On Thursday Shams Charania of ESPN came out and shot that one down more definitely than anything we?ve heard to date. On the Pat McAfee Show, Shams was asked about the extension rumor and basically scoffed, shaking his head and making it clear that there was no validity to that report.

The breakdown with the Giannis, Boston conversations was very simple. The Celtics did not want to give up Hugo Gonzalez and/or Baylor Scheierman and another draft asset when the Bucks asked for that.

I don't know what to make of these "reports".  Shams getting the scoop on the actual trade announcement is one thing, but this kind of detail?  I have some doubt, but maybe.

So the deal could have been Brown, (3) firsts, and Scheierman or Hugo, and maybe both?  That package is way better than the MIA package, unless you don't value Brown as higher than Herro.  If you have Herro = Brown, then sure, maybe MIA is a better deal.  But if you assume that Brown >>>>> Herro, than that BOS deal is way better than the MIA deal.

Another way to look at this.  Say you did the PHI trade first.  Would you then trade Paul George, Hugo, Scheierman, and 5 first (the 2 from PHI plus the 3 that MIL wanted) to MIL for Giannis?

I would probably do Brown + 3 picks, or Brown + Scheierman + 2 picks, but not Brown, Scheierman, Hugo, and 3 Picks.

C's still got the worse return with 36 y/o Paul George and four picks as opposed to shipping Brown, Baylor or Hugo, and picks for proven, superstar-known Giannis [and Portis].

Yeah...  It's hard to know what MIL would have accepted from us, and whether they ever actually told us "We will do the deal if you accept this offer", but if we could have gotten Giannis (and potentially Portis) for Brown, 2026 #1, 2027 #1, Scheierman, then it's negligent not to pull the trigger on that.  Particularly since Brown was going to be traded no matter how bad the return.

I could have defended turning down including Hugo and a 2031 or later first, although that was before, I knew that the other option was slamming our window shut and wasting Tatum's prime.

I agree, but it wasn?t enough for MIL to accept, perhaps because like other teams, they undervalue Brown.