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It's crazy to me Hauser has seemingly survived all this movement the last two years

Either no one around the league wants him or they just see something in him, even though he's pretty useless when the 3s aren't falling and Baylor's ceiling is higher

Hauser's defense is demonstrably better than Baylor's.  Baylor was a turnstile in the playoffs.  Basketball requires both offense and defense and people still forget that Hauser has a reputation as a solid defender, who can stay between his man and the basket.

Also, Hauser shot 39.3% from three last year, which is pretty good.  This after shooting 41.6, 42.4, 41.8, 43.2 the four previous years.

Baylor shot 39.9% (97 for 243) last year.
Hauser shot 39.3% (198 for 504) last year-- twice the attempts.

I will concede that Baylor is more effective at attacking closeouts.  That's something where Sam will tend to get run off the three-point line and look to pass the ball-- which is not a bad thing.  It keeps the ball movement going. 

So Sam is a better defender.  Baylor the better rim attacker.

But Baylor has only one year of good three-point shooting on his resume.  Sam has five consecutive.

Let's see how Baylor does this year-- and yes I hope he plays better than Sam.  All the better for the Celts if Sam shoots 40% from three and Baylor shoots something like 44%.  I'll never root against Baylor, he's just not there yet as a true Hauser replacement.

[Goldstar88]

It's crazy to me Hauser has seemingly survived all this movement the last two years

Either no one around the league wants him or they just see something in him, even though he's pretty useless when the 3s aren't falling and Baylor's ceiling is higher

He makes a small enough amount where it has not been essential they move him. And he provides enough production where you can justify having him on the roster for that price.

I also do not think he would get more than a second round pick in a trade. They?ll probably keep him until Scheierman or Walsh clearly pass him on the depth chart.

Brad and Joe love Hauser. He?s a high IQ player, solid defender, never turns the ball over, career 41% from 3pt and is a relatively cheap contract. Sam is a good role player. The fanbase might not value Hauser, but the organization does.

[ozgod]

Banton finally got waived.

Adam Himmelsbach
@AdamHimmelsbach
According to a league source, the Celtics are waiving guard Dalano Banton, who was on a non-guaranteed deal.
Celtics' roster dips back to 14 players, and timing allows Banton to seek a new opp now.

Weird timing to me. Does that mean there is another move coming?

This gets them under the luxury tax.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Banton finally got waived.

Adam Himmelsbach
@AdamHimmelsbach
According to a league source, the Celtics are waiving guard Dalano Banton, who was on a non-guaranteed deal.
Celtics' roster dips back to 14 players, and timing allows Banton to seek a new opp now.

Weird timing to me. Does that mean there is another move coming?

This gets them under the luxury tax.

I get that, but they could do that any time between now and the end of the league year. Typically they?ve waited.

[Vermont Green]

Waiving Banton puts them $1.7M under the tax by my numbers.  Jordan Walsh is still a non-guaranteed deal (50% guarantee on opening night, fully guaranteed in Jan I believe).

Unless they trade Hauser, I don't see how they can do much more at this point.

[Roy H.]

Banton finally got waived.

Adam Himmelsbach
@AdamHimmelsbach
According to a league source, the Celtics are waiving guard Dalano Banton, who was on a non-guaranteed deal.
Celtics' roster dips back to 14 players, and timing allows Banton to seek a new opp now.

Weird timing to me. Does that mean there is another move coming?

This gets them under the luxury tax.

I get that, but they could do that any time between now and the end of the league year. Typically they?ve waited.

Banton was also the 15th guy on the roster, though,  The last several years we've only carried 14 players.  Rather than dumping him at the deadline -- costing us an asset -- they're preserving those assets for a future time.

[Vermont Green]

Banton finally got waived.

Adam Himmelsbach
@AdamHimmelsbach
According to a league source, the Celtics are waiving guard Dalano Banton, who was on a non-guaranteed deal.
Celtics' roster dips back to 14 players, and timing allows Banton to seek a new opp now.

Weird timing to me. Does that mean there is another move coming?

This gets them under the luxury tax.

I get that, but they could do that any time between now and the end of the league year. Typically they?ve waited.

Banton was also the 15th guy on the roster, though,  The last several years we've only carried 14 players.  Rather than dumping him at the deadline -- costing us an asset -- they're preserving those assets for a future time.

I think they are waiving him now, very early in the process, so that he has a better chance to catch on with another NBA team.  It is pretty clear that he does not have a role this season as things stand.  He may even have requested to be waived due to some other team showing some interest.  They were probably going to waive him before the start of the season in any case and start the season with 14.

[jambr380]

I'm just happy that we'll be able to pick somebody up midseason without having to pay other teams 2nd round picks to trade off of minimum contracts. It feels weird actually having a little wiggle room under the tax. Props to Paul George for being a homie and waiving his trade kicker

[Celtics2021]

I'm just happy that we'll be able to pick somebody up midseason without having to pay other teams 2nd round picks to trade off of minimum contracts. It feels weird actually having a little wiggle room under the tax. Props to Paul George for being a homie and waiving his trade kicker

Agreed.  Getting below the tax now is worth a second on its own.  And if Walsh or Garza are out of the rotation at the deadline (either could be) but have positive trade value, we could actually trade one of them for a pick and then use that extra space to take on a small bad contract from someone else trying to reduce tax burden for another pick.

[Donoghus]

I'm just happy that we'll be able to pick somebody up midseason without having to pay other teams 2nd round picks to trade off of minimum contracts. It feels weird actually having a little wiggle room under the tax. Props to Paul George for being a homie and waiving his trade kicker

Agreed.  Getting below the tax now is worth a second on its own.  And if Walsh or Garza are out of the rotation at the deadline (either could be) but have positive trade value, we could actually trade one of them for a pick and then use that extra space to take on a small bad contract from someone else trying to reduce tax burden for another pick.

Was reading how they could do something with Dillon Mitchell like signing him to the rookie minimum.

[Celtics2021]

I'm just happy that we'll be able to pick somebody up midseason without having to pay other teams 2nd round picks to trade off of minimum contracts. It feels weird actually having a little wiggle room under the tax. Props to Paul George for being a homie and waiving his trade kicker

Agreed.  Getting below the tax now is worth a second on its own.  And if Walsh or Garza are out of the rotation at the deadline (either could be) but have positive trade value, we could actually trade one of them for a pick and then use that extra space to take on a small bad contract from someone else trying to reduce tax burden for another pick.

Was reading how they could do something with Dillon Mitchell like signing him to the rookie minimum.

Certainly a possibility.  I think he winds up as a 2-way because optionality demands roster spaces and tax/cap room, but if he really impresses in summer league practices and games they could go that route. Although then I would really expect Walsh to be moved, because if you are going to sign Mitchell to the actual roster instead of put him on a 2-way and keep him in Maine, you probably want one fewer player in front of him for minutes.

[Vermont Green]

Dillion Mitchell seems destined for a 2-way.  I don't see any particular reason why BOS would offer him a full roster spot unless a trade results in them getting to 13 or less on the roster.  Say BOS trades Hauser and Scheierman for someone (1 player), then they might sign Mitchell to a contract, but otherwise, unless I am missing something, I see no reason for it.

[Vermont Green]

I'm just happy that we'll be able to pick somebody up midseason without having to pay other teams 2nd round picks to trade off of minimum contracts. It feels weird actually having a little wiggle room under the tax. Props to Paul George for being a homie and waiving his trade kicker

Agreed.  Getting below the tax now is worth a second on its own.  And if Walsh or Garza are out of the rotation at the deadline (either could be) but have positive trade value, we could actually trade one of them for a pick and then use that extra space to take on a small bad contract from someone else trying to reduce tax burden for another pick.

Was reading how they could do something with Dillon Mitchell like signing him to the rookie minimum.

Certainly a possibility.  I think he winds up as a 2-way because optionality demands roster spaces and tax/cap room, but if he really impresses in summer league practices and games they could go that route. Although then I would really expect Walsh to be moved, because if you are going to sign Mitchell to the actual roster instead of put him on a 2-way and keep him in Maine, you probably want one fewer player in front of him for minutes.

I guess another possibility is that Dillon Mitchell plays so well in Summer League/Preseason that he beats out Walsh.  Then they could cut Walsh (or trade him) and sign Mitchell and save a little more money.  I see this as pretty unlikely.

How does his contract work now that he is playing in the summer league.  Is he under some contract or playing at risk?  Will Mitchell sign a summer league contract in the interim?

[Celtics2021]

I'm just happy that we'll be able to pick somebody up midseason without having to pay other teams 2nd round picks to trade off of minimum contracts. It feels weird actually having a little wiggle room under the tax. Props to Paul George for being a homie and waiving his trade kicker

Agreed.  Getting below the tax now is worth a second on its own.  And if Walsh or Garza are out of the rotation at the deadline (either could be) but have positive trade value, we could actually trade one of them for a pick and then use that extra space to take on a small bad contract from someone else trying to reduce tax burden for another pick.

Was reading how they could do something with Dillon Mitchell like signing him to the rookie minimum.

Certainly a possibility.  I think he winds up as a 2-way because optionality demands roster spaces and tax/cap room, but if he really impresses in summer league practices and games they could go that route. Although then I would really expect Walsh to be moved, because if you are going to sign Mitchell to the actual roster instead of put him on a 2-way and keep him in Maine, you probably want one fewer player in front of him for minutes.

I guess another possibility is that Dillon Mitchell plays so well in Summer League/Preseason that he beats out Walsh.  Then they could cut Walsh (or trade him) and sign Mitchell and save a little more money.  I see this as pretty unlikely.

How does his contract work now that he is playing in the summer league.  Is he under some contract or playing at risk?  Will Mitchell sign a summer league contract in the interim?

He is unsigned.  Summer league players all get a nice per diem, and that is it.  The Celtics can sign him to a 2-way deal, a camp invite deal, or a contract of up to four years, with the first year starting at up to $2.449 million in a four-year deal.  More likely if he signed such a contract he would be closer to the rookie minimum of $1.358 million, but anywhere between those two numbers is allowed in year 1.

My guess is has been promised a 2-way, with a chance to earn an NBA deal.  If he gets hurt, he will be on a 2-way, so he does not have injury risk.  It is also possible he signs something before tip-off.

[jambr380]

I found it really interesting that in Zarren's recent interview, he talked about wanting to trade up to make sure they landed Mitchell, but then he ended up being there at 40 anyway. You don't usually hear this kind of optimism for a mid-2nd round pick.

I definitely think he'll get a 2-way - there's no reason not to - but I guess there's a world where we trade Walsh and sign Mitchell. Still hoping we get a bargain basement deal done with Walsh to keep him, though. The potential he flashed last year was impressive. I know we have a lot of young defensive wings, however, and maybe ready to other more time.