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Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #795 on: January 08, 2025, 08:41:54 PM »

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Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #796 on: January 08, 2025, 08:48:26 PM »

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Hartenstein's been great, and Chet's not playing. But OKC still seems to struggle against teams with size. Mobley and Allen are beasting tonight. And even some of their tall forwards are giving it to OKC. Porzingis was also great against OKC, it's just our whole team was putrid in the 2nd half.
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Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #797 on: January 08, 2025, 09:13:21 PM »

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Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #798 on: January 08, 2025, 09:40:07 PM »

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Lonnie Walker AND a depth PF/C addition via trade (Springer + 2nd round pick(s))

If you want to go all-in and try for Banner 19 and compete with CLE/OKC, this HAS to happen.

Gonna be honest, watching that CLE-OKC game today and also factoring in our 2nd half vs. OKC, idk if we're really at their level this year. OKC is missing Chet + Caruso too.
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Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #799 on: January 08, 2025, 10:27:13 PM »

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Lonnie Walker AND a depth PF/C addition via trade (Springer + 2nd round pick(s))

If you want to go all-in and try for Banner 19 and compete with CLE/OKC, this HAS to happen.

Gonna be honest, watching that CLE-OKC game today and also factoring in our 2nd half vs. OKC, idk if we're really at their level this year. OKC is missing Chet + Caruso too.

Unless Boston shows they're poised and repeat the same dominating ways they did in 23-24 season, Cleveland is the team to beat in the East.


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Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #800 on: January 08, 2025, 11:21:17 PM »

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Lonnie Walker AND a depth PF/C addition via trade (Springer + 2nd round pick(s))

If you want to go all-in and try for Banner 19 and compete with CLE/OKC, this HAS to happen.

Gonna be honest, watching that CLE-OKC game today and also factoring in our 2nd half vs. OKC, idk if we're really at their level this year. OKC is missing Chet + Caruso too.

Unless Boston shows they're poised and repeat the same dominating ways they did in 23-24 season, Cleveland is the team to beat in the East.

Right now they are. They also have HCA in all likelihood which could be a factor come May
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Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #801 on: January 09, 2025, 09:38:23 AM »

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Lonnie Walker AND a depth PF/C addition via trade (Springer + 2nd round pick(s))

If you want to go all-in and try for Banner 19 and compete with CLE/OKC, this HAS to happen.

Gonna be honest, watching that CLE-OKC game today and also factoring in our 2nd half vs. OKC, idk if we're really at their level this year. OKC is missing Chet + Caruso too.

It's worth remembering that while OKC and CLE are rolling over everyone else, when it comes to the playoffs, it's a 7 game series against us. Then it becomes less about how good they were thrashing whichever teams they've been thrashing and more about matchups against us. Here's the results of the 2 games we had vs CLE and 1 vs OKC.

  • Game 1: BOS (H) 120 def CLE (A) 117 - 65-48 at halftime, we took our foot off the gas in the 3rd but held them out for a win by 3 pts
  • Game 2: CLE (H) 115 def BOS (A) 111 - no White or Jaylen, they shot 47% from 3, we led by 10 at the end of the 3rd but a Mitchell barrage from 3 beat us by 4 pts
  • Game 3: OKC 105 (H) def BOS (A) 92 - we led 65-55 at halftime but scored 27 pts the entire 2nd half, including 12 in the last quarter, where they shot 42% from 3 (16-of-38 for 48 pts) vs us 19% (9 of 46 for 27 points). That's a 21 point disparity in the shot margin right there, and we lost by 13.

Obviously of the games we lost we deserved to lose, you shoot 19% from 3 in an NBA game, nevermind the volume we take, you're not going to win...and with CLE we lost by 4 where Mitchell 4 or 4 from 3 in the 4th along with a dagger from that kid Merrill. But I didn't feel we were not at their level, there were reasons why we lost those games in terms of poor execution or players on the other team played above themselves...but I didn't walk away thinking "these guys can't be beat, they're too good for us, we played our absolute best against them and they had our measure, we have no answers for them".

I actually think we match up pretty well against Cleveland, more so than against OKC, but we have the bodies to throw against Cleveland's double big lineup, which a lot of other teams don't, which is why they dominate paint scoring and rebounding when you look at the advanced metrics. And we have wings to defend theirs, which again other teams don't have. So I would back us in a 7 game series against them, but they would probably roll over some other teams in the NBA easier than we might.

As for OKC, Shai is definitely a handful. But how often will we shoot 19% against them? At least 4 times in a 7 game series? We let their bench shoot 7-14 from 3 against us, I guess that's how other teams feel when Hauser and Pritchard let loose against them  :police:

No doubt those teams have displayed a level of consistency in effort and execution beyond what we have so far this season, against all their opponents, even the crappy ones - and the results reflect it. They deserve to have a better W-L than us. Possibly they feel they have more to prove to themselves, their fans and the league at this point of the season than our team does. But I'm not prepared to concede anything to them yet, I think playoffs come it's going to be a different story in terms of matchups and execution  :police:
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Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #802 on: January 09, 2025, 01:12:52 PM »

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Apparently, Tyler Herro just revealed that he was guaranteed to be drafted by the Celtics at No. 14 back in 2019. The Miami Heat snagged him at #13.

And we ended up with Romeo Langford. Ugh.


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« Reply #803 on: January 09, 2025, 01:14:09 PM »

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Apparently, Tyler Herro just revealed that he was guaranteed to be drafted by the Celtics at No. 14 back in 2019. The Miami Heat snagged him at #13.

And we ended up with Romeo Langford. Ugh.

Yeah, I don't know if it was revealed that we made a promise, but there's footage of the draft room being super disappointed when the Heat took him.


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« Reply #804 on: January 09, 2025, 01:25:22 PM »

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Apparently, Tyler Herro just revealed that he was guaranteed to be drafted by the Celtics at No. 14 back in 2019. The Miami Heat snagged him at #13.

And we ended up with Romeo Langford. Ugh.

Yeah, I don't know if it was revealed that we made a promise, but there's footage of the draft room being super disappointed when the Heat took him.

Universe made up for it with Pritchard a year later.


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« Reply #805 on: January 09, 2025, 01:43:58 PM »

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Apparently, Tyler Herro just revealed that he was guaranteed to be drafted by the Celtics at No. 14 back in 2019. The Miami Heat snagged him at #13.

And we ended up with Romeo Langford. Ugh.

Yeah, I don't know if it was revealed that we made a promise, but there's footage of the draft room being super disappointed when the Heat took him.

Universe made up for it with Pritchard a year later.

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Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #806 on: January 09, 2025, 01:45:30 PM »

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Apparently, Tyler Herro just revealed that he was guaranteed to be drafted by the Celtics at No. 14 back in 2019. The Miami Heat snagged him at #13.

And we ended up with Romeo Langford. Ugh.

Yeah, I don't know if it was revealed that we made a promise, but there's footage of the draft room being super disappointed when the Heat took him.

Universe made up for it with Pritchard a year later.

Yeah.  I wouldn't change things, because who knows what would have happened?  Herro ended up getting a huge contract.  Maybe that means we never bring White and/or Jrue in?

I mean, don't get me wrong:  I'd totally dig going back and viewing all of the multiple universes to see how different scenarios would have played out.  I could easily make the case for at least 5 more Celtics titles* if things had gone optimally.  But, I'm just fine with how it all worked out.

* Hondo doesn't get hurt during the 1973 playoff run; the team gets KG's bone spur taken case of in the 2008 off-season; Perk doesn't get hurt; Len Bias is around to help us in 1985; Larry's back and McHale's foot hold up; we don't blow the 1989 draft; we get lucky in the Tim Duncan lottery, etc.


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« Reply #807 on: January 09, 2025, 01:51:18 PM »

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Apparently, Tyler Herro just revealed that he was guaranteed to be drafted by the Celtics at No. 14 back in 2019. The Miami Heat snagged him at #13.

And we ended up with Romeo Langford. Ugh.

Yeah, I don't know if it was revealed that we made a promise, but there's footage of the draft room being super disappointed when the Heat took him.

Universe made up for it with Pritchard a year later.

Yeah.  I wouldn't change things, because who knows what would have happened?  Herro ended up getting a huge contract.  Maybe that means we never bring White and/or Jrue in?

I mean, don't get me wrong:  I'd totally dig going back and viewing all of the multiple universes to see how different scenarios would have played out.  I could easily make the case for at least 5 more Celtics titles* if things had gone optimally.  But, I'm just fine with how it all worked out.

* Hondo doesn't get hurt during the 1973 playoff run; the team gets KG's bone spur taken case of in the 2008 off-season; Perk doesn't get hurt; Len Bias is around to help us in 1985; Larry's back and McHale's foot hold up; we don't blow the 1989 draft; we get lucky in the Tim Duncan lottery, etc.

Maybe Herro would be as good as White under a different system with a better team core  ;) And we'd beat Miami in 2020 and 2023, but probably lose to the Lakers and Nuggets in the Finals respectively.


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Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #808 on: January 09, 2025, 04:47:10 PM »

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Apparently, Tyler Herro just revealed that he was guaranteed to be drafted by the Celtics at No. 14 back in 2019. The Miami Heat snagged him at #13.

And we ended up with Romeo Langford. Ugh.

Yeah, I don't know if it was revealed that we made a promise, but there's footage of the draft room being super disappointed when the Heat took him.

Universe made up for it with Pritchard a year later.

Yeah.  I wouldn't change things, because who knows what would have happened?  Herro ended up getting a huge contract.  Maybe that means we never bring White and/or Jrue in?

I mean, don't get me wrong:  I'd totally dig going back and viewing all of the multiple universes to see how different scenarios would have played out.  I could easily make the case for at least 5 more Celtics titles* if things had gone optimally.  But, I'm just fine with how it all worked out.

* Hondo doesn't get hurt during the 1973 playoff run; the team gets KG's bone spur taken case of in the 2008 off-season; Perk doesn't get hurt; Len Bias is around to help us in 1985; Larry's back and McHale's foot hold up; we don't blow the 1989 draft; we get lucky in the Tim Duncan lottery, etc.

Maybe Herro would be as good as White under a different system with a better team core  ;) And we'd beat Miami in 2020 and 2023, but probably lose to the Lakers and Nuggets in the Finals respectively.
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Doubt it. Herro doesn?t play defense. White is elite at that end.


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Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #809 on: January 09, 2025, 05:52:45 PM »

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People really overrate Herro because of that 2020 Bubble Run, which unfortunately for us was rough but there's a reason he hasn't emerged as a legit 2nd option in Miami and a reason MIA can't seem to trade him in a package to acquire a star like Lillard, etc.

Yes Herro has definitely shown improvement this season and is a lot better, but he still can't play defense. Frankly I don't even think he's significantly better than someone like Pritchard. If PP played similar minutes as a starter he'd average close to Herro's stats as well.

Ultimately as Roy said, I'm fine with how it played out. Hindsight is all 20/20. I mean hey, what if we drafted Giannis in 2013 instead of Olynyk? But on the flip side, what if we made that idiotic trade where we trade like 4+ first round picks for Justice Winslow?
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