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Re: Celtics News
« Reply #1245 on: May 23, 2025, 05:33:39 AM »

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On the latest episode this week of his podcast ?Mind the Game? with Steve Nash, the Los Angeles Lakers star James spoke out about the Boston Celtics in the wake of their elimination from the playoffs. James said during his remarks that he believes the Celtics can get bored and complacent at times on the court. ?You think they get bored sometimes?? said James. ?Like, they?ve been doing this s?t so long. It seems like they get bored sometimes with the ? I don?t want to say the process ? because they are who they are. ?When you look at [Jayson] Tatum and [Jaylen] Brown, this is years and years and years and years,? James added. ?They?ve punched their 10,000 hours, but sometimes it seems like they get a little bored because of how great they are, not only as those two as individuals, but them as a team. And sometimes, it looks like they get bored.? 2 mins ago ? via Larry Brown Sports

He's right.  And we've seen it under Brad, Ime, & now Joe.  If there is a knock I have on the Jays, it's this.  People can complain about the coaching all they want but, at the end of the day, a lot of it comes down to the players.  This boredom, for lack of a better term, leads to laziness and some bad habits which we've seen out there.  Lack of ball movement, isolation, standing around the 3 point line, settling for jumpers, etc.   When the team gets in this mode, it's can be painful to watch and quite detrimental (look at games 1 & 2 of the NYK for recent examples).

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Yes, and this is also why three-culture is not a great match. Lends itself to lazy spells.

That said, Bird, McHale, and Parish used to have lazy games but they were so good, so much better than the competition on most nights that they could turn it on and usually pull it out.  Today?s Cs are better than most of the competition just not to the same degree.

What's interesting is that LeBum pioneered the "cruise through the regular season putting in 50% effort until you get to the playoffs" where he could be lazy during the regular season, but he was able to switch it on for the playoffs. I don't know if some of our guys are able to do the same, because you do build habits during the regular season, that's the whole point of it, so that by the time the playoffs arrive you're operating on reflex.

During both series it felt like they were still playing games in January or February where if they lost so what, there's more games to come up. Unfortunately for all of Jaylen's "you can't just beat us twice, you gotta beat us 4 times", well they didn't play well enough to stop the Knicks doing that. I know they had injuries but you can't use that as an excuse when you have 2 games where you led by 20 and lost, and another game where you led by 14 and lost. That's just a lack of urgency.

Maybe it was never meant to be...maybe they needed this humiliation, and possibly a change in personnel, to reignite that fire in them.
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Re: Celtics News
« Reply #1246 on: May 25, 2025, 09:04:33 PM »

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On Saturday, Jaylen Brown told CelticsBlog that surgery to repair that torn meniscus remains on the table. l got a lot of doctors I gotta get evaluated with see the potential for surgery versus no surgery, wait to speak to the [Celtics] organization, he said. For now, it?s just rest and recovery. I?m taking a step back from a long season. Mentally, it was a lot of stuff going on.via Celtics Blog
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Re: Celtics News
« Reply #1247 on: May 26, 2025, 06:16:40 AM »

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On Saturday, Jaylen Brown told CelticsBlog that surgery to repair that torn meniscus remains on the table. l got a lot of doctors I gotta get evaluated with see the potential for surgery versus no surgery, wait to speak to the [Celtics] organization, he said. For now, it?s just rest and recovery. I?m taking a step back from a long season. Mentally, it was a lot of stuff going on.via Celtics Blog

Not wild about the lack of a clear plan yet.

Re: Celtics News
« Reply #1248 on: May 26, 2025, 09:49:35 AM »

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On Saturday, Jaylen Brown told CelticsBlog that surgery to repair that torn meniscus remains on the table. l got a lot of doctors I gotta get evaluated with see the potential for surgery versus no surgery, wait to speak to the [Celtics] organization, he said. For now, it?s just rest and recovery. I?m taking a step back from a long season. Mentally, it was a lot of stuff going on.via Celtics Blog

Not wild about the lack of a clear plan yet.

Well, if the Celtics brass is considering next year to be a "gap year" then the urgency isn't there.

My guess on next year is this (regardless of whether Jaylen is ready to go at 100% at the beginning of the season):

  • Play more young guys
  • Play more end of the bench guys to see what you have
  • See how Tatum's recovery is going around the holidays, could he potentially return after the All-Star break?
  • See where we are in the standings: Are we anywhere near making the playoffs or play-in games?  If Tatum is feeling great, and starts playing again and seems to have knocked the rust off, make a push for the playoffs.  We've seen 8-seeds beat 1-seeds before.
  • If we're not close to the playoffs after the All-Star break, shut it down
  • If Tatum is not close to returning to even 75% form, shut it down
  • If the either of the last two happen, shut Jaylen down too and maybe we drop enough to have the 10th-worst record in the league
  • See if those ping-pong balls like us









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Re: Celtics News
« Reply #1249 on: May 26, 2025, 09:56:35 AM »

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Well, if the Celtics brass is considering next year to be a "gap year" then the urgency isn't there.

This is a really good point.  They want to avoid surgery if they can.  That makes sense.  They are trying rest and everything else.  The risk of that is it could be wasting time if you end up needing surgery anyway.  But in this case, if he ends up missing half (or whatever) of the season without Tatum, it is not the same as missing half of most any other season.  So just as No Nick says, there isn't the same urgency as there normally would be.

All that said, my reaction is ugghh.  2025-26 is going to be an ugly season.

Re: Celtics News
« Reply #1250 on: May 26, 2025, 10:33:45 AM »

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On Saturday, Jaylen Brown told CelticsBlog that surgery to repair that torn meniscus remains on the table. l got a lot of doctors I gotta get evaluated with see the potential for surgery versus no surgery, wait to speak to the [Celtics] organization, he said. For now, it?s just rest and recovery. I?m taking a step back from a long season. Mentally, it was a lot of stuff going on.via Celtics Blog

Not wild about the lack of a clear plan yet.

Meniscuses are tough. It's not like a ligament where surgery is almost always the better option. It's possible that it will heal on its own with rest, or never heal even with surgery (due to bad blood flow) and have to be trimmed off, or anywhere in between. Giving it time and rest to see if/how it's healing seems like a good sign in this case vs. him just immediately going in for surgery to trim it
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Re: Celtics News
« Reply #1251 on: May 26, 2025, 10:56:31 AM »

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Well, if the Celtics brass is considering next year to be a "gap year" then the urgency isn't there.

This is a really good point.  They want to avoid surgery if they can.  That makes sense.  They are trying rest and everything else.  The risk of that is it could be wasting time if you end up needing surgery anyway.  But in this case, if he ends up missing half (or whatever) of the season without Tatum, it is not the same as missing half of most any other season.  So just as No Nick says, there isn't the same urgency as there normally would be.

All that said, my reaction is ugghh.  2025-26 is going to be an ugly season.

While I appreciate the compliment, my thought on taking time with Jaylen's potential surgery was only half-baked. 

You finished cooking it with your astute observation that taking more time on a surgery decision actually could prevent the surgery altogether.  Great analysis!

Re: Celtics News
« Reply #1252 on: May 26, 2025, 01:55:58 PM »

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According to Stein, Dallas is "expected to at least explore" a trade with the Boston Celtics for Holiday.
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Re: Celtics News
« Reply #1253 on: May 26, 2025, 02:22:40 PM »

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According to Stein, Dallas is "expected to at least explore" a trade with the Boston Celtics for Holiday.

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Re: Celtics News
« Reply #1254 on: May 26, 2025, 02:46:24 PM »

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According to Stein, Dallas is "expected to at least explore" a trade with the Boston Celtics for Holiday.
Holiday for Gafford, Marshall & Martin works money wise
C/PF-Horford, Baynes, Noel, Theis, Morris,
SF/SG- Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Semi, Clark
PG- Irving, Rozier, Larkin

Re: Celtics News
« Reply #1255 on: May 26, 2025, 02:47:07 PM »

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Well, if the Celtics brass is considering next year to be a "gap year" then the urgency isn't there.

This is a really good point.  They want to avoid surgery if they can.  That makes sense.  They are trying rest and everything else.  The risk of that is it could be wasting time if you end up needing surgery anyway.  But in this case, if he ends up missing half (or whatever) of the season without Tatum, it is not the same as missing half of most any other season.  So just as No Nick says, there isn't the same urgency as there normally would be.

All that said, my reaction is ugghh.  2025-26 is going to be an ugly season.

A wasted season.
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Re: Celtics News
« Reply #1256 on: May 26, 2025, 03:12:14 PM »

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According to Stein, Dallas is "expected to at least explore" a trade with the Boston Celtics for Holiday.
Holiday for Gafford, Marshall & Martin works money wise

I was wondering is Naji Marshall as good as Jrue Holiday. I really like Naji Marshall. Probably not. But I don't think the gap is that large.

Naji Marshall plays great defense. Excellent defensive forward. He is a good rebounder. He is a solid ball mover. 3apg in 28mpg as a SF/PF. A 2:1 AST:TOV ratio. 13ppg 5rpg. Still improving year to year. Took a step back with his 3 point shooting which hurt him.

I'd say he is a top 20 SF in the league. I'd probably have Jrue around 15th at PG (or SG).

To get Gafford and Naji for Jrue - I'd be very happy with that.

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« Reply #1257 on: May 26, 2025, 03:13:31 PM »

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Well, if the Celtics brass is considering next year to be a "gap year" then the urgency isn't there.

This is a really good point.  They want to avoid surgery if they can.  That makes sense.  They are trying rest and everything else.  The risk of that is it could be wasting time if you end up needing surgery anyway.  But in this case, if he ends up missing half (or whatever) of the season without Tatum, it is not the same as missing half of most any other season.  So just as No Nick says, there isn't the same urgency as there normally would be.

All that said, my reaction is ugghh.  2025-26 is going to be an ugly season.

A wasted season.

Not necessarily. I'd stick with ugly season for most of the year but if Tatum can come back late on .... they could make a playoff run. It might not be a wasted season.

Just a tough ugly one for 80% of the time.

Re: Celtics News
« Reply #1258 on: May 26, 2025, 03:16:22 PM »

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It?s not a wasted season if the Coach and Front Office use it to reload for the following season. Get below the 2nd apron and/or tax. Aquire through draft and trade and then develop some unproven talent. Get top players needed rest and recuperation. Come back strong 26-27 season.

They were gonna have to reload soon anyway, it?s just a bit earlier than hoped but has the benefit of being stronger developmentally with more playing time and focus on secondary/tertiary players.

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« Reply #1259 on: May 26, 2025, 03:17:19 PM »

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According to Stein, Dallas is "expected to at least explore" a trade with the Boston Celtics for Holiday.
Holiday for Gafford, Marshall & Martin works money wise

G: D White, Pritchard
G: Hauser, Scheierman
F: Jaylen, Naji
F: Tatum, Horford
C: Porzingis, Gafford

That would be a nice team. Good balance.

Naji starting in Tatum's place while he is out injured. Naji can do enough defensively to make that group work on that end. We'd still be short in terms of rebounding but worth it for the offensive & defensive efficiency of that group.

I'd start Hauser in place of Jrue. Go bigger on the wing. Less ball-handling & passing. More sharp shooting.

Gafford would be a great stand-in at center whenever Porzingis is out injured. A big improvement on Kornet.

Find a good backup SF on the minimum to balance the bench while Tatum is out and that group should be able to bridge this non-Tatum period okay. Perhaps a 45-48 win team.

Get Tatum back. Back in the title winning business.