Celtics News

[goCeltics]

I think the Cs want to get under the 2nd apron for the current season. That requires shedding around 5 million before July.

The problem with the Mavs is that they are hard-capped for the current season at the first apron, and they are around 100 thousand below it.

I do not believe that Gafford, Marshall and Martin would work for the current season, but would work after July 1. The problem is, actually, I believe it is easier for the Celtics to get under the apron for the current season than the next.

[mef730]

According to Stein, Dallas is "expected to at least explore" a trade with the Boston Celtics for Holiday.

Holiday for Gafford, Marshall & Martin works money wise

For those who know more about the salary cap than I do, is there a reason that a trade like this would benefit us, since we take in as much as we send out?

[tazzmaniac]

According to Stein, Dallas is "expected to at least explore" a trade with the Boston Celtics for Holiday.

Holiday for Gafford, Marshall & Martin works money wise

For those who know more about the salary cap than I do, is there a reason that a trade like this would benefit us, since we take in as much as we send out?

No unless you are high on Gafford.  To save money, you'd need to reroute one or both of Marshall & Martin.  Rerouting both to the Nets would save 18M but the Nets are probably going to want compensation (i.e. pick(s)) to take on all that salary.  Better to reroute a player like Keegan Murray (1yr/11M) because some team will probably take him without compensation. 

[jambr380]

According to Stein, Dallas is "expected to at least explore" a trade with the Boston Celtics for Holiday.

Holiday for Gafford, Marshall & Martin works money wise

For those who know more about the salary cap than I do, is there a reason that a trade like this would benefit us, since we take in as much as we send out?

It doesn't really benefit us in terms of salary, but it does break up Jrue's contract into several smaller ones and those would be easier to move. We actually couldn't make this trade anyway, since we would be taking on more salary than we are sending out by around $600K and would need a 3rd team for at least one of those contracts.

[celticinorlando]

Any trade with Dallas will have Gafford in it. He has an expiring contract and the Cs probably resign him and let KP walk. Sounds like Jrue is the most wanted on the market. I'd prefer Hardy being involved in any deal with Dallas.

Per CBS Sports:

What a Jrue Holiday trade to Dallas could look like
While the Celtics can't aggregate salaries to acquire a player, they can bring in multiple players for a big contract like Holiday. The Mavs could make the money work with a three-player offer that threads the needle on matching Holiday's $32.4 million salary for next year and can give the Celtics some future salary relief in the form of some shorter-term deals.

Dallas gets: Jrue Holiday
Boston gets: Klay Thompson, Daniel Gafford, Brandon Williams

This works financially, but would of course require Boston being interested in this return package. After a second-round exit and with Jayson Tatum likely out for all of next season after tearing his Achilles in the playoffs, it's not abundantly clear how the Celtics will proceed this summer. If they put the likes of Holiday or Derrick White on the trade market, they will undoubtedly garner interest from lots of teams, not just Dallas.

[Who]

Any trade with Dallas will have Gafford in it. He has an expiring contract and the Cs probably resign him and let KP walk. Sounds like Jrue is the most wanted on the market. I'd prefer Hardy being involved in any deal with Dallas.

Per CBS Sports:

What a Jrue Holiday trade to Dallas could look like
While the Celtics can't aggregate salaries to acquire a player, they can bring in multiple players for a big contract like Holiday. The Mavs could make the money work with a three-player offer that threads the needle on matching Holiday's $32.4 million salary for next year and can give the Celtics some future salary relief in the form of some shorter-term deals.

Dallas gets: Jrue Holiday
Boston gets: Klay Thompson, Daniel Gafford, Brandon Williams

This works financially, but would of course require Boston being interested in this return package. After a second-round exit and with Jayson Tatum likely out for all of next season after tearing his Achilles in the playoffs, it's not abundantly clear how the Celtics will proceed this summer. If they put the likes of Holiday or Derrick White on the trade market, they will undoubtedly garner interest from lots of teams, not just Dallas.

So the core of the team moving forward would be - D White, Jaylen, Tatum, D Gafford.

With Porzingis, Jrue, and Horford moving on in the next 12 months. That is what about $70mil in salary. About $20mil of that used to keep D Gafford long term. 

It is quite the downturn in talent. Porzingis and Horford to Gafford in terms of big man talent. Jrue to nobody in terms of guard talent. That will hurt. A 3 for 1 with the 1 being Gafford.

[celticinorlando]

I'd love to see Walsh moved. I do not think he is any good and is a waste of a roster spot. Guy can't shoot from three or anywhere on the floor. He is not a rotational player. Just a guy that gets garbage minutes.

[JBcat]

Any trade with Dallas will have Gafford in it. He has an expiring contract and the Cs probably resign him and let KP walk. Sounds like Jrue is the most wanted on the market. I'd prefer Hardy being involved in any deal with Dallas.

Per CBS Sports:

What a Jrue Holiday trade to Dallas could look like
While the Celtics can't aggregate salaries to acquire a player, they can bring in multiple players for a big contract like Holiday. The Mavs could make the money work with a three-player offer that threads the needle on matching Holiday's $32.4 million salary for next year and can give the Celtics some future salary relief in the form of some shorter-term deals.

Dallas gets: Jrue Holiday
Boston gets: Klay Thompson, Daniel Gafford, Brandon Williams

This works financially, but would of course require Boston being interested in this return package. After a second-round exit and with Jayson Tatum likely out for all of next season after tearing his Achilles in the playoffs, it's not abundantly clear how the Celtics will proceed this summer. If they put the likes of Holiday or Derrick White on the trade market, they will undoubtedly garner interest from lots of teams, not just Dallas.

So the core of the team moving forward would be - D White, Jaylen, Tatum, D Gafford.

With Porzingis, Jrue, and Horford moving on in the next 12 months. That is what about $70mil in salary. About $20mil of that used to keep D Gafford long term. 

It is quite the downturn in talent. Porzingis and Horford to Gafford in terms of big man talent. Jrue to nobody in terms of guard talent. That will hurt. A 3 for 1 with the 1 being Gafford.

It is depressing thinking about the downturn in talent, especially with bigs. I agree with someone who mentioned Jaden Hardy as a possible return. He fell out of favor a bit last season, so we could be buying low as he?s a pretty talented young player. He?s had his moments of impressive scoring outbursts and just a season ago was a rotation player for the Mavs in the playoffs.

[CFAN38]

Any trade with Dallas will have Gafford in it. He has an expiring contract and the Cs probably resign him and let KP walk. Sounds like Jrue is the most wanted on the market. I'd prefer Hardy being involved in any deal with Dallas.

Per CBS Sports:

What a Jrue Holiday trade to Dallas could look like
While the Celtics can't aggregate salaries to acquire a player, they can bring in multiple players for a big contract like Holiday. The Mavs could make the money work with a three-player offer that threads the needle on matching Holiday's $32.4 million salary for next year and can give the Celtics some future salary relief in the form of some shorter-term deals.

Dallas gets: Jrue Holiday
Boston gets: Klay Thompson, Daniel Gafford, Brandon Williams

This works financially, but would of course require Boston being interested in this return package. After a second-round exit and with Jayson Tatum likely out for all of next season after tearing his Achilles in the playoffs, it's not abundantly clear how the Celtics will proceed this summer. If they put the likes of Holiday or Derrick White on the trade market, they will undoubtedly garner interest from lots of teams, not just Dallas.

The new CBA is not my thing but my understanding is that this trade would then require the Cs to involve a 3rd team to actually shed money. Moving the smaller contracts is likely much easier that Jrue's 30 million. If the trade nets Gafford, Klay and Williams I suspect all 3 along with Hauser would then be moved in smaller deals.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Any trade with Dallas will have Gafford in it. He has an expiring contract and the Cs probably resign him and let KP walk. Sounds like Jrue is the most wanted on the market. I'd prefer Hardy being involved in any deal with Dallas.

Per CBS Sports:

What a Jrue Holiday trade to Dallas could look like
While the Celtics can't aggregate salaries to acquire a player, they can bring in multiple players for a big contract like Holiday. The Mavs could make the money work with a three-player offer that threads the needle on matching Holiday's $32.4 million salary for next year and can give the Celtics some future salary relief in the form of some shorter-term deals.

Dallas gets: Jrue Holiday
Boston gets: Klay Thompson, Daniel Gafford, Brandon Williams

This works financially, but would of course require Boston being interested in this return package. After a second-round exit and with Jayson Tatum likely out for all of next season after tearing his Achilles in the playoffs, it's not abundantly clear how the Celtics will proceed this summer. If they put the likes of Holiday or Derrick White on the trade market, they will undoubtedly garner interest from lots of teams, not just Dallas.

So the core of the team moving forward would be - D White, Jaylen, Tatum, D Gafford.

With Porzingis, Jrue, and Horford moving on in the next 12 months. That is what about $70mil in salary. About $20mil of that used to keep D Gafford long term. 

It is quite the downturn in talent. Porzingis and Horford to Gafford in terms of big man talent. Jrue to nobody in terms of guard talent. That will hurt. A 3 for 1 with the 1 being Gafford.

Gafford is not a core player. He's a mediocre backup center that can rim run and help a little on the helpside defense, but he can't defend the post or the PnR. He's not a passer. He's undersized.

He is exposed in the playoffs.

I'd rather call Queta a core player than Gafford.

[Who]

Any trade with Dallas will have Gafford in it. He has an expiring contract and the Cs probably resign him and let KP walk. Sounds like Jrue is the most wanted on the market. I'd prefer Hardy being involved in any deal with Dallas.

Per CBS Sports:

What a Jrue Holiday trade to Dallas could look like
While the Celtics can't aggregate salaries to acquire a player, they can bring in multiple players for a big contract like Holiday. The Mavs could make the money work with a three-player offer that threads the needle on matching Holiday's $32.4 million salary for next year and can give the Celtics some future salary relief in the form of some shorter-term deals.

Dallas gets: Jrue Holiday
Boston gets: Klay Thompson, Daniel Gafford, Brandon Williams

This works financially, but would of course require Boston being interested in this return package. After a second-round exit and with Jayson Tatum likely out for all of next season after tearing his Achilles in the playoffs, it's not abundantly clear how the Celtics will proceed this summer. If they put the likes of Holiday or Derrick White on the trade market, they will undoubtedly garner interest from lots of teams, not just Dallas.

So the core of the team moving forward would be - D White, Jaylen, Tatum, D Gafford.

With Porzingis, Jrue, and Horford moving on in the next 12 months. That is what about $70mil in salary. About $20mil of that used to keep D Gafford long term. 

It is quite the downturn in talent. Porzingis and Horford to Gafford in terms of big man talent. Jrue to nobody in terms of guard talent. That will hurt. A 3 for 1 with the 1 being Gafford.

Gafford is not a core player. He's a mediocre backup center that can rim run and help a little on the helpside defense, but he can't defend the post or the PnR. He's not a passer. He's undersized.

He is exposed in the playoffs.

I'd rather call Queta a core player than Gafford.

I like Gafford more than that although I do agree he is not really a core piece.

I rate Gafford as high end backup center to passable starting center. So that is not a core player. I typically look at players who are top 15 at their position as part of the core which Gafford is not.

I added him in there alongside the other 3 core pieces (D White, Tatum, Jaylen) because Gafford would be the only other significant contract on the books at that point. If he was re-signed. He would probably cost MLE money or slightly above to keep. I believe the MLE starts at $14mil this year. So in that $15-20mil range is his likely cost point. Well actually, two reasons (1) only other sizeable contract (2) only useful big man on the roster.

So yeah agreed not truly a core piece. Disagree on Gafford's overall value. I rate him higher. As a high end backup to low end starter. I would be happy to have him although preferably as a long term replacement for Horford as main backup big behind Porzingis than as our starting big man.

[wdleehi]

There is no good trade around the players the Celtics are likely to move that will improve the Celtics.   They are not getting equal talent and they are looking to shed salary because of the rules of the current CBA.   It is not about cheap ownership.   It is about a deal where the league dreams about parity.   


I have stopped trying to come up with trades.  It is just too frustrating.   

[Redz]

There is no good trade around the players the Celtics are likely to move that will improve the Celtics.   They are not getting equal talent and they are looking to shed salary because of the rules of the current CBA.   It is not about cheap ownership.   It is about a deal where the league dreams about parity.   


I have stopped trying to come up with trades.  It is just too frustrating.

Luckily Brad will have more resolve!

[Roy H.]

There is no good trade around the players the Celtics are likely to move that will improve the Celtics.   They are not getting equal talent and they are looking to shed salary because of the rules of the current CBA.   It is not about cheap ownership.   It is about a deal where the league dreams about parity.   


I have stopped trying to come up with trades.  It is just too frustrating.

Luckily Brad will have more resolve!

Yeah.  In Brad we trust.

I think best case scenario we come out of this off-season with one of Jrue or Porzingis gone, with the rest of the roster intact.  More likely, we'll be down at least two of Jrue/KP/Hauser, and possibly will lose all three.  Also, there's no guarantee that Horford and/or Luke come back.

It's kind of crazy that there's a quasi-realistic chance that we start next season without seven of our top nine rotation players, with five gone and two recovering from surgery (Tatum, Brown).  Riches to rags.

It doesn't necessarily have to be that way, though.  If new ownership could stomach being above the apron next season (and paying the repeater luxury tax for the foreseeable future), we could keep everybody but Jrue going forward.  If you replace Jrue with a $20 million player in 2027 and resign KP for around $20 million, we'd still be well below the second apron, meaning we could keep the core together going forward.

KP / Kornet
Tatum / $20 million player
Hauser
Brown / Scheierman
White / Pritchard

Add in a 1st rounder and a high second, and we'd be in pretty good shape.

I just don't think the team is going to stop at modest financial savings this coming season.

[wdleehi]

There is no good trade around the players the Celtics are likely to move that will improve the Celtics.   They are not getting equal talent and they are looking to shed salary because of the rules of the current CBA.   It is not about cheap ownership.   It is about a deal where the league dreams about parity.   


I have stopped trying to come up with trades.  It is just too frustrating.

Luckily Brad will have more resolve!

Yeah.  In Brad we trust.

I think best case scenario we come out of this off-season with one of Jrue or Porzingis gone, with the rest of the roster intact.  More likely, we'll be down at least two of Jrue/KP/Hauser, and possibly will lose all three.  Also, there's no guarantee that Horford and/or Luke come back.

It's kind of crazy that there's a quasi-realistic chance that we start next season without seven of our top nine rotation players, with five gone and two recovering from surgery (Tatum, Brown).  Riches to rags.

It doesn't necessarily have to be that way, though.  If new ownership could stomach being above the apron next season (and paying the repeater luxury tax for the foreseeable future), we could keep everybody but Jrue going forward.  If you replace Jrue with a $20 million player in 2027 and resign KP for around $20 million, we'd still be well below the second apron, meaning we could keep the core together going forward.

KP / Kornet
Tatum / $20 million player
Hauser
Brown / Scheierman
White / Pritchard

Add in a 1st rounder and a high second, and we'd be in pretty good shape.

I just don't think the team is going to stop at modest financial savings this coming season.

The question is how far below the 2nd apron do the Celtics need to get so they still have option in trying to improve the team once Tatum comes back.