2024 NBA Season and Playoffs

[Phantom255x]

Why in some circles are the Celtics considered a “super team” and a team like the nuggets aren’t? They have the best player in the world and several high level players at every position with good size and all in their prime. Gonna have to play all time special to beat them.

What’s ironic about this is until Denver won it all last year, people looked at them and Jokic similar to the Celtics and Tatum. Then they finally got over the hump and now they are rightfully seen as the class of the NBA. But at this same point last year no one thought of Denver as that, not even close

Jokic is the best player. Then it’s Tatum, Porzingis, and then you can debate Jaylen/Murray but after that the next few guys are Celtics players. I’d also take our bench over Denver’s. That’s why they are looked at as a superteam. Teams in the past like OKC and Houston didn’t win it all despite all the talent but were seen as super teams. Wonder why!

[Moranis]

No one is picking Murray over Brown.....

I would pick J Murray over J Brown.

They are very similar, probably depends on rest of team who I'd take.

[Moranis]

Why in some circles are the Celtics considered a “super team” and a team like the nuggets aren’t? They have the best player in the world and several high level players at every position with good size and all in their prime. Gonna have to play all time special to beat them.

What’s ironic about this is until Denver won it all last year, people looked at them and Jokic similar to the Celtics and Tatum. Then they finally got over the hump and now they are rightfully seen as the class of the NBA. But at this same point last year no one thought of Denver as that, not even close

Jokic is the best player. Then it’s Tatum, Porzingis, and then you can debate Jaylen/Murray but after that the next few guys are Celtics players. I’d also take our bench over Denver’s. That’s why they are looked at as a superteam. Teams in the past like OKC and Houston didn’t win it all despite all the talent but were seen as super teams. Wonder why!

Jokic was the 2 time defending mvp last year.  Just a different level than Tatum and Boston.

[Phantom255x]

Why in some circles are the Celtics considered a “super team” and a team like the nuggets aren’t? They have the best player in the world and several high level players at every position with good size and all in their prime. Gonna have to play all time special to beat them.

What’s ironic about this is until Denver won it all last year, people looked at them and Jokic similar to the Celtics and Tatum. Then they finally got over the hump and now they are rightfully seen as the class of the NBA. But at this same point last year no one thought of Denver as that, not even close

Jokic is the best player. Then it’s Tatum, Porzingis, and then you can debate Jaylen/Murray but after that the next few guys are Celtics players. I’d also take our bench over Denver’s. That’s why they are looked at as a superteam. Teams in the past like OKC and Houston didn’t win it all despite all the talent but were seen as super teams. Wonder why!

Jokic was the 2 time defending mvp last year.  Just a different level than Tatum and Boston.

True. But still, Jokic got a lot of criticism particularly for his defense and people thought the Nuggets were still “not quite there” until they finally won it all. Tatum and the Celtics have to win it all to get there which we know.

But to OP’s original point I’m pretty sure Denver has been referred to as a superteam as well and quite a few have them reaching the Finals and facing Boston. So I’m not entirely sure what the arguing is for lol

[Phantom255x]

Don’t think the Lakers are gonna have much better chances of winning games this series. AD went off. And while D’Lo was horrific shooting, the Lakers overall still shot nearly 50% from the field. Better than Denver. Murray was also only 9-24 so he was bad too. And still, felt like Denver had it all game and they did despite falling behind 12 near halftime.

Lakers will take a game but I still feel Nuggets in 5. Similar to how Miami and even Golden State in recent years seemed to be in our heads and have our number, Denver is that team for the Lakers but they are also just straight up more talented than LAL too

[celticsclay]

Why in some circles are the Celtics considered a “super team” and a team like the nuggets aren’t? They have the best player in the world and several high level players at every position with good size and all in their prime. Gonna have to play all time special to beat them.

While he is the best player in the world the nuggets only have one player that has made an all star game (unless we count deandre Jordan). The Celtics have 4 including 4 that were under consideration. It’s not really difficult.

The Celtics also won more games and had double the point differential. Denver at +5.3 points per game. Boston +11.4 points per game.

And yet both times we played them they schooled us.
Look I know we had a better regular season but with all things considered I think their talent is every bit as good/better.
Jaylen brown likely is never an all star in the west and Murray surely would’ve been by now in the east…those arguments don’t carry much weight for me

You are being willfully naive.

And I think the same of you, time will tell and hopefully you’re right but I’d still trade where we are at for being the defending champions and where they’re at with the best player in the world but alright

I would prefer we were defending champs too but that doesn’t have anything to do with your question. Which, if serious, was being willfully naive. Porzingas and white were both on the border for being all stars this years and on many peoples ballots. Holidays and porzingas have both made all star games worth other teams. Holiday has made all defensive teams all. White probably will this year. The Nuggets have a lot of talent but anyway you measure it we have more talent right now (and I haven’t even talked about our benches where you get into comparing Al Horford against Deandre jordan). I hope you are smart enough to not bark up that tree.

Jokic is significantly better than Tatum
Murray is imo equal to brown despite personal all star selection accolades
Combination of porter jr and Aaron Gordon are equal to if not better than jrue and white currently
I suppose the difference maker  is porzingis but does that really make up for the significant gap between Jokic and Tatum?

You are so dug in on a bad point you stopped making sense. You said Murray would have made the all star game in the East and brown wouldn’t in the west, but brown literally made all nba and is 50 50 to make it this year from the votes coming in. Murray never has and isn’t in the conversation this year either. You think the nuggets could beat us? That is fine. Just say that though and stop saying nonsense that is objectively wrong.

Jaylen brown isn’t making the all star game in the west.
Jamal Murray is making it in the east.
I’m a huge brown fan but like cmon I can’t take you seriously.

Think before you type. Why has
Jaylen brown made one and possibly soon two all
NBA teams and Murray hasn’t made one (or even been close) That literally has nothing to do with  conference. Do you think there is a limit of how many guys from the eastern or western conference can make all NBA? If you think that I can understand, but that is not the case.

[celticsclay]

Why in some circles are the Celtics considered a “super team” and a team like the nuggets aren’t? They have the best player in the world and several high level players at every position with good size and all in their prime. Gonna have to play all time special to beat them.

What’s ironic about this is until Denver won it all last year, people looked at them and Jokic similar to the Celtics and Tatum. Then they finally got over the hump and now they are rightfully seen as the class of the NBA. But at this same point last year no one thought of Denver as that, not even close

Jokic is the best player. Then it’s Tatum, Porzingis, and then you can debate Jaylen/Murray but after that the next few guys are Celtics players. I’d also take our bench over Denver’s. That’s why they are looked at as a superteam. Teams in the past like OKC and Houston didn’t win it all despite all the talent but were seen as super teams. Wonder why!

Jokic was the 2 time defending mvp last year.  Just a different level than Tatum and Boston.

This is absolutely true, but correct me If I’m wrong but you have said we were the most talented team in the league this year but we could lose to coaching/intangibles? This is what I think also. I’m objecting to the idea that there is some big conspiracy between the media and coaches that has given guys in our team accolades (including many before they were even in the Celtics). I have gone to about 30 nuggets games this year and like their team a lot. I do think they could absolutely beat us. But if you are
Just going across the rosters after you get past Jokic Murray brown and Tatum there is a huge difference in depth. Porzingas is a lot better than Gordon. I don’t know how someone can debate that. Horford is a lot better than Deandre Jordan. Derrick white is a lot better than kcp. Holiday is a lot better than Porter (who is terrible defensively). None of these are particularly debatable which is why scary Jerry’s comment on talent was silly. Malone can  out coach Joe every day of the week and a team can fit better together where talent isn’t everything. But talent wise? Yea it’s a stupid argument.

[SparzWizard]

Don’t think the Lakers are gonna have much better chances of winning games this series. AD went off. And while D’Lo was horrific shooting, the Lakers overall still shot nearly 50% from the field. Better than Denver. Murray was also only 9-24 so he was bad too. And still, felt like Denver had it all game and they did despite falling behind 12 near halftime.

Lakers will take a game but I still feel Nuggets in 5. Similar to how Miami and even Golden State in recent years seemed to be in our heads and have our number, Denver is that team for the Lakers but they are also just straight up more talented than LAL too

Hard to see the Nuggets winning 12 straight against the Lakers. I think LAL can defend home-court, or maybe take Game 2. They just need to up their energy next game another notch. The bench didn't play too well.

[Who]

Don’t think the Lakers are gonna have much better chances of winning games this series. AD went off. And while D’Lo was horrific shooting, the Lakers overall still shot nearly 50% from the field. Better than Denver. Murray was also only 9-24 so he was bad too. And still, felt like Denver had it all game and they did despite falling behind 12 near halftime.

Lakers will take a game but I still feel Nuggets in 5. Similar to how Miami and even Golden State in recent years seemed to be in our heads and have our number, Denver is that team for the Lakers but they are also just straight up more talented than LAL too

I wouldn't be too down if I were LAL. Their supporting cast didn't show up. They can play better than they did today.

[scaryjerry]

Why in some circles are the Celtics considered a “super team” and a team like the nuggets aren’t? They have the best player in the world and several high level players at every position with good size and all in their prime. Gonna have to play all time special to beat them.

While he is the best player in the world the nuggets only have one player that has made an all star game (unless we count deandre Jordan). The Celtics have 4 including 4 that were under consideration. It’s not really difficult.

The Celtics also won more games and had double the point differential. Denver at +5.3 points per game. Boston +11.4 points per game.

And yet both times we played them they schooled us.
Look I know we had a better regular season but with all things considered I think their talent is every bit as good/better.
Jaylen brown likely is never an all star in the west and Murray surely would’ve been by now in the east…those arguments don’t carry much weight for me

You are being willfully naive.

And I think the same of you, time will tell and hopefully you’re right but I’d still trade where we are at for being the defending champions and where they’re at with the best player in the world but alright

I would prefer we were defending champs too but that doesn’t have anything to do with your question. Which, if serious, was being willfully naive. Porzingas and white were both on the border for being all stars this years and on many peoples ballots. Holidays and porzingas have both made all star games worth other teams. Holiday has made all defensive teams all. White probably will this year. The Nuggets have a lot of talent but anyway you measure it we have more talent right now (and I haven’t even talked about our benches where you get into comparing Al Horford against Deandre jordan). I hope you are smart enough to not bark up that tree.

Jokic is significantly better than Tatum
Murray is imo equal to brown despite personal all star selection accolades
Combination of porter jr and Aaron Gordon are equal to if not better than jrue and white currently
I suppose the difference maker  is porzingis but does that really make up for the significant gap between Jokic and Tatum?

You are so dug in on a bad point you stopped making sense. You said Murray would have made the all star game in the East and brown wouldn’t in the west, but brown literally made all nba and is 50 50 to make it this year from the votes coming in. Murray never has and isn’t in the conversation this year either. You think the nuggets could beat us? That is fine. Just say that though and stop saying nonsense that is objectively wrong.

Jaylen brown isn’t making the all star game in the west.
Jamal Murray is making it in the east.
I’m a huge brown fan but like cmon I can’t take you seriously.

Think before you type. Why has
Jaylen brown made one and possibly soon two all
NBA teams and Murray hasn’t made one (or even been close) That literally has nothing to do with  conference. Do you think there is a limit of how many guys from the eastern or western conference can make all NBA? If you think that I can understand, but that is not the case.

So Jaylen browns making the all star game in the west? Yeah I can’t take you seriously.
Yes conference matters. Jaylen has been great and rewarded pretty well for being part of a great team that gets a lot of publicity in the east. I’m arguably taking a fully healthy(part of the problem) Murray over him

[celticsclay]

Don’t think the Lakers are gonna have much better chances of winning games this series. AD went off. And while D’Lo was horrific shooting, the Lakers overall still shot nearly 50% from the field. Better than Denver. Murray was also only 9-24 so he was bad too. And still, felt like Denver had it all game and they did despite falling behind 12 near halftime.

Lakers will take a game but I still feel Nuggets in 5. Similar to how Miami and even Golden State in recent years seemed to be in our heads and have our number, Denver is that team for the Lakers but they are also just straight up more talented than LAL too

Hard to see the Nuggets winning 12 straight against the Lakers. I think LAL can defend home-court, or maybe take Game 2. They just need to up their energy next game another notch. The bench didn't play too well.

The bench didn’t play well cause it is one of the worst benches in the league. Jaxon Hayes should lot be in a playoff rotation. Dinwiddie is good for a nice offensive game every 5 games and is lousy defensively. Who are you expecting to explode? Prince? Vincent? The team just isn’t that good and the gap between Jokic and Lebron or ad is giant.

[celticsclay]

Why in some circles are the Celtics considered a “super team” and a team like the nuggets aren’t? They have the best player in the world and several high level players at every position with good size and all in their prime. Gonna have to play all time special to beat them.

While he is the best player in the world the nuggets only have one player that has made an all star game (unless we count deandre Jordan). The Celtics have 4 including 4 that were under consideration. It’s not really difficult.

The Celtics also won more games and had double the point differential. Denver at +5.3 points per game. Boston +11.4 points per game.

And yet both times we played them they schooled us.
Look I know we had a better regular season but with all things considered I think their talent is every bit as good/better.
Jaylen brown likely is never an all star in the west and Murray surely would’ve been by now in the east…those arguments don’t carry much weight for me

You are being willfully naive.

And I think the same of you, time will tell and hopefully you’re right but I’d still trade where we are at for being the defending champions and where they’re at with the best player in the world but alright

I would prefer we were defending champs too but that doesn’t have anything to do with your question. Which, if serious, was being willfully naive. Porzingas and white were both on the border for being all stars this years and on many peoples ballots. Holidays and porzingas have both made all star games worth other teams. Holiday has made all defensive teams all. White probably will this year. The Nuggets have a lot of talent but anyway you measure it we have more talent right now (and I haven’t even talked about our benches where you get into comparing Al Horford against Deandre jordan). I hope you are smart enough to not bark up that tree.

Jokic is significantly better than Tatum
Murray is imo equal to brown despite personal all star selection accolades
Combination of porter jr and Aaron Gordon are equal to if not better than jrue and white currently
I suppose the difference maker  is porzingis but does that really make up for the significant gap between Jokic and Tatum?

You are so dug in on a bad point you stopped making sense. You said Murray would have made the all star game in the East and brown wouldn’t in the west, but brown literally made all nba and is 50 50 to make it this year from the votes coming in. Murray never has and isn’t in the conversation this year either. You think the nuggets could beat us? That is fine. Just say that though and stop saying nonsense that is objectively wrong.

Jaylen brown isn’t making the all star game in the west.
Jamal Murray is making it in the east.
I’m a huge brown fan but like cmon I can’t take you seriously.

Think before you type. Why has
Jaylen brown made one and possibly soon two all
NBA teams and Murray hasn’t made one (or even been close) That literally has nothing to do with  conference. Do you think there is a limit of how many guys from the eastern or western conference can make all NBA? If you think that I can understand, but that is not the case.

So Jaylen browns making the all star game in the west?

He is making all nba as a top 15 player in the nba so yes, he would presumably have made an all star game once also. Not sure how many players have made all nba without making all star game but is is probably quite rare. Maybe a few third team centers when they demanded center. But very rarely if ever a guard. Can you just admit you made a dumb comment and we can move on? I agree with you Denver could absolutely beat us in a series but you can say that without the rest of this nonsense.

Edit I looked this up it’s pretty much all third team centers that made an all nba team without being an all star. Deandre Jordan (repeatedly) gobert, bogut. It happened once with siakam
I believe but just not a common occurrence and brown might make all nba team this year again. Your point stinks to high heaven lol.

[Birdman]

Embiid body looks like it’s breaking down, it’s ashame..

[Vermont Green]

If you want to debate DEN vs. BOS, it is clear that BOS had a better regular season overall, more wins, better points differential.  But that does not mean that BOS is necessarily the better team.  I would say that in general, BOS is getting a little overhyped by the casual fan and DEN a little underhyped.  In the 2 head to head regular season games, BOS had no answer for Jokic.  Porzingis couldn't do anything to stop him.  And Murray went off big time in the game in BOS.

As to the Brown vs. Murray debate.  I see Murray as having the better top end.  When he is healthy and at his best, he is a little better than Brown.  But he has not been at that level very much.  Brown has been more durable, leading to being more consistent.  When Murray is good, DEN is good.  When he isn't, DEN is much more beatable.

It would be getting WAAAYYY ahead of ourselves to start a debate about which team will do better in the playoffs this season if they were to meet in the finals.  I will just say that this is the finals I expect and most likely per betting odds.

[W8ting2McHale]

In the 2 head to head regular season games, BOS had no answer for Jokic.  Porzingis couldn't do anything to stop him.  And Murray went off big time in the game in BOS.

While it’s true that Porzingis didn’t slow Jokic down, it’s also true that Denver had no answer for Kristaps either. His points and rebounds exceeded his season averages in both games.

And while Murray did have a big game in Boston, scoring over 30 points, let’s not forget that Brown had an even bigger game in Denver, scoring over 40 with 14 rebounds to go with that. It was Tatum that didn’t show up in either game.

Tatum is the difference maker on this team and he’s not been up to the challenge against the Nuggets this year. Hopefully that changes in a championship series.