2024 NBA Season and Playoffs

[cman88]

I just am not impressed with the bucks. They have no third option and Middleton looks cooked

Lillard has good stats tho

better than Brown.

hate to break it to you but there are 2 sides of the ball....and Lillard doesn't play one of them. and his efficiency isnt that great.

had we done what many fans here suggested in trading Brown for lillard (and likely then having no Jrue Holiday) celtics would be MUCH MUCH worse defensively while not improving much offensively.

[Phantom255x]

Weird. So firing the coach did nothing?

And btw, I watched a good chunk of that game since nothing else was on. Lillard shot 7-24 and if he can't even shoot well in games he offers nothing. Not to mention Middleton just looks slow and cooked now. Ironically, MIL did seem to play better defensively and held CLE to 112. Though the Cavs didn't even have Garland and Mobley, and Mitchell just feasted on Lillard as expected

[cman88]

Weird. So firing the coach did nothing?

And btw, I watched a good chunk of that game since nothing else was on. Lillard shot 7-24 and if he can't even shoot well in games he offers nothing. Not to mention Middleton just looks slow and cooked now. Ironically, MIL did seem to play better defensively and held CLE to 112. Though the Cavs didn't even have Garland and Mobley, and Mitchell just feasted on Lillard as expected

when you have no realistic moves to make they fire the coach. Firing Bud made no sense either.

And Doc ain't going to be some savior and turn lillard into a guru. the sixers got better after he left.

[MattyIce]

Weird. So firing the coach did nothing?

And btw, I watched a good chunk of that game since nothing else was on. Lillard shot 7-24 and if he can't even shoot well in games he offers nothing. Not to mention Middleton just looks slow and cooked now. Ironically, MIL did seem to play better defensively and held CLE to 112. Though the Cavs didn't even have Garland and Mobley, and Mitchell just feasted on Lillard as expected

to be fair Doc hasn't started coaching yet....but i agree with the skepticism

[Moranis]

I just am not impressed with the bucks. They have no third option and Middleton looks cooked

Lillard has good stats tho

better than Brown.

hate to break it to you but there are 2 sides of the ball....and Lillard doesn't play one of them. and his efficiency isnt that great.

had we done what many fans here suggested in trading Brown for lillard (and likely then having no Jrue Holiday) celtics would be MUCH MUCH worse defensively while not improving much offensively.

Lillard has better stats than Brown.  That is what I was responding to since Clay was pretty clearly taking a shot at me even though I proved that exact fact.  Just Clay's typical nonsense

[Phantom255x]

Weird. So firing the coach did nothing?

And btw, I watched a good chunk of that game since nothing else was on. Lillard shot 7-24 and if he can't even shoot well in games he offers nothing. Not to mention Middleton just looks slow and cooked now. Ironically, MIL did seem to play better defensively and held CLE to 112. Though the Cavs didn't even have Garland and Mobley, and Mitchell just feasted on Lillard as expected

to be fair Doc hasn't started coaching yet....but i agree with the skepticism

Coach Giannis should have had his team ready to go! 

[Moranis]

Weird. So firing the coach did nothing?

And btw, I watched a good chunk of that game since nothing else was on. Lillard shot 7-24 and if he can't even shoot well in games he offers nothing. Not to mention Middleton just looks slow and cooked now. Ironically, MIL did seem to play better defensively and held CLE to 112. Though the Cavs didn't even have Garland and Mobley, and Mitchell just feasted on Lillard as expected

to be fair Doc hasn't started coaching yet....but i agree with the skepticism

Coach Giannis should have had his team ready to go! 

Doc blows but Griffin was horrible so it can't be worse

[footey]

I just am not impressed with the bucks. They have no third option and Middleton looks cooked

Lillard has good stats tho

better than Brown.

hate to break it to you but there are 2 sides of the ball....and Lillard doesn't play one of them. and his efficiency isnt that great.

had we done what many fans here suggested in trading Brown for lillard (and likely then having no Jrue Holiday) celtics would be MUCH MUCH worse defensively while not improving much offensively.

Lillard has better stats than Brown.

not really

[celticsclay]

I just am not impressed with the bucks. They have no third option and Middleton looks cooked

Lillard has good stats tho

better than Brown.

Their stats are objectively pretty similar and lilliards are massively trending down (which was part of my joke). For the month of January (which is basically over) dame is shooting 38% from field and 26% from 3. This play and his frustration with his role was definitely what got their coach fired. Acting like it is some objective fact Lilliard is better statistically this year while cherry picking some stats that are offense heavy does not make you correct. Add in that the Celtics only continue to widen their lead over the bucks in the standings and it is very fair to feel brown should start over Lilliard even as a non Celtics fan.

[Moranis]

I just am not impressed with the bucks. They have no third option and Middleton looks cooked

Lillard has good stats tho

better than Brown.

hate to break it to you but there are 2 sides of the ball....and Lillard doesn't play one of them. and his efficiency isnt that great.

had we done what many fans here suggested in trading Brown for lillard (and likely then having no Jrue Holiday) celtics would be MUCH MUCH worse defensively while not improving much offensively.

Lillard has better stats than Brown.

not really

he does. It isn't all that close. He scores about 2 points more and does so on fewer shots.  He has nearly double the assists with less turnovers.  They have the same amount of steals. Brown has about 1 rebound more and half a block more though also commits more fouls.  Lillard has better winshares, a better ws/48, a better BPM, a better vorp, a higher PER on a lower usage, and pretty much any other advanced metric you want to use.

Lillard clearly and obviously has better stats than Brown. It isn't close.  Brown is also pretty clearly a much better defender, but that doesn't show up all that well statistically so doesn't really factor into a statistical discussion.

[Phantom255x]

Interestingly enough, while everyone thinks Golden State is "done" and I admittedly also feel the same way, they have the same number of losses as all the three teams ahead of them, including the Lakers. It's just those teams have played 2-4 games more than the Warriors and won them all, but the difference isn't that big. Tonight's game is kind of big. I think one of these two teams will not make the playoffs and the H2H tiebreaker could come in handy for both sides for whoever comes out on top this season. They haven't played each other yet this season

[RodyTur10]

Players are scoring 70+ like it's nothing and casual now. Luka the latest one to hit 70 tonight

On one hand scoring overall has exploded. On the other hand the guys who hit 70 this week are crazy good. Embiid and Doncic are really special. I wish Embiid would flop less and work more on his conditioning, while Doncic should complain less and also focus on defense. If they did then they would be in the conversation with the very best ever at their position/role.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I just am not impressed with the bucks. They have no third option and Middleton looks cooked

Lillard has good stats tho

better than Brown.

hate to break it to you but there are 2 sides of the ball....and Lillard doesn't play one of them. and his efficiency isnt that great.

had we done what many fans here suggested in trading Brown for lillard (and likely then having no Jrue Holiday) celtics would be MUCH MUCH worse defensively while not improving much offensively.

Lillard has better stats than Brown.

not really

he does. It isn't all that close. He scores about 2 points more and does so on fewer shots.  He has nearly double the assists with less turnovers.  They have the same amount of steals. Brown has about 1 rebound more and half a block more though also commits more fouls.  Lillard has better winshares, a better ws/48, a better BPM, a better vorp, a higher PER on a lower usage, and pretty much any other advanced metric you want to use.

Lillard clearly and obviously has better stats than Brown. It isn't close.  Brown is also pretty clearly a much better defender, but that doesn't show up all that well statistically so doesn't really factor into a statistical discussion.

I'd rather have Brown. Apparently the Celtics did also.

[Moranis]

I just am not impressed with the bucks. They have no third option and Middleton looks cooked

Lillard has good stats tho

better than Brown.

hate to break it to you but there are 2 sides of the ball....and Lillard doesn't play one of them. and his efficiency isnt that great.

had we done what many fans here suggested in trading Brown for lillard (and likely then having no Jrue Holiday) celtics would be MUCH MUCH worse defensively while not improving much offensively.

Lillard has better stats than Brown.

not really

he does. It isn't all that close. He scores about 2 points more and does so on fewer shots.  He has nearly double the assists with less turnovers.  They have the same amount of steals. Brown has about 1 rebound more and half a block more though also commits more fouls.  Lillard has better winshares, a better ws/48, a better BPM, a better vorp, a higher PER on a lower usage, and pretty much any other advanced metric you want to use.

Lillard clearly and obviously has better stats than Brown. It isn't close.  Brown is also pretty clearly a much better defender, but that doesn't show up all that well statistically so doesn't really factor into a statistical discussion.

I'd rather have Brown. Apparently the Celtics did also.

thst is an entirely different discussion

[Atzar]

Brunson has to be one of my favorite non-Celtics right now.  I'm enjoying watching him dismantle Miami.