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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #495 on: November 02, 2023, 11:54:29 AM »

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 They shook up their roster a lot and I wouldn't be shocked if they started to gel after the ASB.

That said, the flaws you pointed out are real and might be too big for no bag and Dame to overcome.

If Dame keeps playing like garbage, one has to wonder if he's just not caring because he didn't want to go to the bucks, or if he's going to try and force his way to Miami one way or another. I realize that might be far out and I wouldn't bet money on it, but it also wouldn't shock me either.

None of this matters if Boston stays locked in. Even a well functioning Bucks team isn't taking us in a series.

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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #496 on: November 02, 2023, 01:40:50 PM »

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Wait, Dallas is 4-0 unbeaten and top of the West ...

I thought they were struggling. Spurs, Nets, Grizzlies and Bulls are the four teams they have beaten. Okay, not great competition. First two games close. Third game a blowout.

Still, a surprise to see them top of the West.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #497 on: November 02, 2023, 02:01:50 PM »

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Wait, Dallas is 4-0 unbeaten and top of the West ...

I thought they were struggling. Spurs, Nets, Grizzlies and Bulls are the four teams they have beaten. Okay, not great competition. First two games close. Third game a blowout.

Still, a surprise to see them top of the West.

Give Kyrie time.
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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #498 on: November 02, 2023, 02:10:28 PM »

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Wait, Dallas is 4-0 unbeaten and top of the West ...

I thought they were struggling. Spurs, Nets, Grizzlies and Bulls are the four teams they have beaten. Okay, not great competition. First two games close. Third game a blowout.

Still, a surprise to see them top of the West.
1st 2 games had Irving, 2nd 2 did not.  Coincidence?

Luka also has a negative on/off differential
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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #499 on: November 02, 2023, 03:17:46 PM »

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Wait, Dallas is 4-0 unbeaten and top of the West ...

I thought they were struggling. Spurs, Nets, Grizzlies and Bulls are the four teams they have beaten. Okay, not great competition. First two games close. Third game a blowout.

Still, a surprise to see them top of the West.
1st 2 games had Irving, 2nd 2 did not.  Coincidence?

Luka also has a negative on/off differential

That’s because they were outscored when Luka played with Kyrie.  Luka without Kyrie is a positive on/off.  In other words, it’s just Kyrie.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #500 on: November 02, 2023, 03:28:20 PM »

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Wait, Dallas is 4-0 unbeaten and top of the West ...

I thought they were struggling. Spurs, Nets, Grizzlies and Bulls are the four teams they have beaten. Okay, not great competition. First two games close. Third game a blowout.

Still, a surprise to see them top of the West.
1st 2 games had Irving, 2nd 2 did not.  Coincidence?

Luka also has a negative on/off differential

That’s because they were outscored when Luka played with Kyrie.  Luka without Kyrie is a positive on/off.  In other words, it’s just Kyrie.

Not sure I follow this.  Doncic is +30 overall, -5 with Irving, +35 without Irving.  Irving is a drag so far but Doncic has been highly positive.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #501 on: November 02, 2023, 04:09:05 PM »

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Wait, Dallas is 4-0 unbeaten and top of the West ...

I thought they were struggling. Spurs, Nets, Grizzlies and Bulls are the four teams they have beaten. Okay, not great competition. First two games close. Third game a blowout.

Still, a surprise to see them top of the West.
1st 2 games had Irving, 2nd 2 did not.  Coincidence?

Luka also has a negative on/off differential

That’s because they were outscored when Luka played with Kyrie.  Luka without Kyrie is a positive on/off.  In other words, it’s just Kyrie.

Not sure I follow this.  Doncic is +30 overall, -5 with Irving, +35 without Irving.  Irving is a drag so far but Doncic has been highly positive.

Because the Mavs net rating is 9.4, but Luka’s is 8.8, so technically they are 0.6 points better when Luka is off.  However, Luka is -1.6 when he plays with Kyrie, and approximately 13.1 when he doesn’t play with Kyrie, so Luka’s negative on/off is due to the Kyrie effect, at least so far this year.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #502 on: November 02, 2023, 04:45:19 PM »

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Mavs beat the Spurs who are questionable. They beat the Nets who are meh. They beat the 0-4 Grizzlies. The Bulls...not impressive either.


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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #503 on: November 02, 2023, 05:21:45 PM »

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Wait, Dallas is 4-0 unbeaten and top of the West ...

I thought they were struggling. Spurs, Nets, Grizzlies and Bulls are the four teams they have beaten. Okay, not great competition. First two games close. Third game a blowout.

Still, a surprise to see them top of the West.
1st 2 games had Irving, 2nd 2 did not.  Coincidence?

Luka also has a negative on/off differential

That’s because they were outscored when Luka played with Kyrie.  Luka without Kyrie is a positive on/off.  In other words, it’s just Kyrie.

Not sure I follow this.  Doncic is +30 overall, -5 with Irving, +35 without Irving.  Irving is a drag so far but Doncic has been highly positive.

Because the Mavs net rating is 9.4, but Luka’s is 8.8, so technically they are 0.6 points better when Luka is off.  However, Luka is -1.6 when he plays with Kyrie, and approximately 13.1 when he doesn’t play with Kyrie, so Luka’s negative on/off is due to the Kyrie effect, at least so far this year.

I guess I don't look at it that way.  In terms of total +/- DAL is +36 (4 games, 192 minutes).  Luka is +30 when he is on the court (4 games, 150 minutes).  DAL is +6 when Luka is not on the court (42 minutes).

NRTG gets normalized to 100 possessions (which I am sure you know).  Something must be getting distorted due to the number of possessions while Luka in out there vs. when he isn't.  Garbage time could be distorting this also.  I think DAL is going to continue to be fine if he is +7.5 during the time he is on the court in every game.  It is impossible for me to see that as a problem.  If anything, it is an indication that their bench is doing well also.

And as you suggest, once Kyrie gets his head out of his ###, Luka's numbers will be all that much better.  Kyrie will come around.  He will play well, he is still a very good talent.  It may not last, but he will come around.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #504 on: November 02, 2023, 05:24:25 PM »

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Wait, Dallas is 4-0 unbeaten and top of the West ...

I thought they were struggling. Spurs, Nets, Grizzlies and Bulls are the four teams they have beaten. Okay, not great competition. First two games close. Third game a blowout.

Still, a surprise to see them top of the West.
1st 2 games had Irving, 2nd 2 did not.  Coincidence?

Luka also has a negative on/off differential

That’s because they were outscored when Luka played with Kyrie.  Luka without Kyrie is a positive on/off.  In other words, it’s just Kyrie.

Not sure I follow this.  Doncic is +30 overall, -5 with Irving, +35 without Irving.  Irving is a drag so far but Doncic has been highly positive.

Because the Mavs net rating is 9.4, but Luka’s is 8.8, so technically they are 0.6 points better when Luka is off.  However, Luka is -1.6 when he plays with Kyrie, and approximately 13.1 when he doesn’t play with Kyrie, so Luka’s negative on/off is due to the Kyrie effect, at least so far this year.

I guess I don't look at it that way.  In terms of total +/- DAL is +36 (4 games, 192 minutes).  Luka is +30 when he is on the court (4 games, 150 minutes).  DAL is +6 when Luka is not on the court (42 minutes).

NRTG gets normalized to 100 possessions (which I am sure you know).  Something must be getting distorted due to the number of possessions while Luka in out there vs. when he isn't.  Garbage time could be distorting this also.  I think DAL is going to continue to be fine if he is +7.5 during the time he is on the court in every game.  It is impossible for me to see that as a problem.  If anything, it is an indication that their bench is doing well also.

And as you suggest, once Kyrie gets his head out of his ###, Luka's numbers will be all that much better.  Kyrie will come around.  He will play well, he is still a very good talent.  It may not last, but he will come around.

That’s fine and all.  I was merely responding to Moranis’ comet that “Luka also has a negative on/off differential”.  The reason for this stat is due to Kyrie, as I explained above.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #505 on: November 02, 2023, 05:32:28 PM »

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Wait, Dallas is 4-0 unbeaten and top of the West ...

I thought they were struggling. Spurs, Nets, Grizzlies and Bulls are the four teams they have beaten. Okay, not great competition. First two games close. Third game a blowout.

Still, a surprise to see them top of the West.
1st 2 games had Irving, 2nd 2 did not.  Coincidence?

Luka also has a negative on/off differential

That’s because they were outscored when Luka played with Kyrie.  Luka without Kyrie is a positive on/off.  In other words, it’s just Kyrie.

Not sure I follow this.  Doncic is +30 overall, -5 with Irving, +35 without Irving.  Irving is a drag so far but Doncic has been highly positive.

Because the Mavs net rating is 9.4, but Luka’s is 8.8, so technically they are 0.6 points better when Luka is off.  However, Luka is -1.6 when he plays with Kyrie, and approximately 13.1 when he doesn’t play with Kyrie, so Luka’s negative on/off is due to the Kyrie effect, at least so far this year.

I guess I don't look at it that way.  In terms of total +/- DAL is +36 (4 games, 192 minutes).  Luka is +30 when he is on the court (4 games, 150 minutes).  DAL is +6 when Luka is not on the court (42 minutes).

NRTG gets normalized to 100 possessions (which I am sure you know).  Something must be getting distorted due to the number of possessions while Luka in out there vs. when he isn't.  Garbage time could be distorting this also.  I think DAL is going to continue to be fine if he is +7.5 during the time he is on the court in every game.  It is impossible for me to see that as a problem.  If anything, it is an indication that their bench is doing well also.

And as you suggest, once Kyrie gets his head out of his ###, Luka's numbers will be all that much better.  Kyrie will come around.  He will play well, he is still a very good talent.  It may not last, but he will come around.

That’s fine and all.  I was merely responding to Moranis’ comet that “Luka also has a negative on/off differential”.  The reason for this stat is due to Kyrie, as I explained above.

Essentially, I think we are both saying the same thing and are in agreement.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #506 on: November 02, 2023, 09:23:16 PM »

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Tobias Harris is off to a good start this season. Solid 3rd option. 76ers look to be the second best team in the conference.
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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #507 on: November 02, 2023, 10:34:18 PM »

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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

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« Reply #508 on: November 02, 2023, 10:46:20 PM »

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Tobias Harris is off to a good start this season. Solid 3rd option. 76ers look to be the second best team in the conference.

Unloading James Harden must've done wonders for them. Thinking they might be better than the Bucks now. A bunch of role players on their team around Embiid that can put up stats.


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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #509 on: November 02, 2023, 11:03:20 PM »

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Tobias Harris is off to a good start this season. Solid 3rd option. 76ers look to be the second best team in the conference.

Unloading James Harden must've done wonders for them. Thinking they might be better than the Bucks now. A bunch of role players on their team around Embiid that can put up stats.

Maxey is turning into a stud. He’s averaging 30.3/6.3/6.7. Shooting splits are 50/56/91.
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.