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Re: Woj: Jrue to Celtics
« Reply #255 on: October 02, 2023, 04:36:52 PM »

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I have to say I do find the team more likeable now with Jrue as opposed to Brogdon and Timelord.

Jrue is one of the easiest guys in the league to root for. I like how he plays. A team first guy. Great attitude. Effort, size, athleticism. Competiveness.

Brogdon rubbed me the wrong way. I hated seeing him criticize his teammate's defense while dogging it on D himself. That disgusted me. The same way it did when Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo Anthony did it. Defense accountability for the minions but not for me. I'm the star. Diva-attitude.

Also, I wasn't loving his style of play on offense. More of an iso-style player than a team based player. When he moved to a team style he became a limited spot up shooter type. In order to be more productive, he had to dominate the ball. Too much for my liking.

Then the injury proness. Big issue for Brogdon. Huge issue for Timelord.

It is nice to get away from those things.

It is nice to have an easy to root for player like Jrue Holiday.

I found it odd that Brogdon seldom smiled.  Made me wonder if he had an underlying problem with his role on the Celtics.

Yes, he had Resting [Blank] Face, but the dude wasn't disgruntled.  You guys are reading into things way too much.

Maybe he wasn't happy when White was declared the starter without having the opportunity to compete for it.  Sure, who wouldn't be p---ed if their superior quit their job and your coworker automatically got promoted without you even being able to apply?

You all think that you wouldn't have SOME emotions?

That being said, he was in Boston getting ready for training camp.  The dude is as professional as they come.  Stop judging someone's feelings/motives... or their PRODUCTION in their job based on a facial expression.

The dude BALLED OUT last year for the Celtics.  Now all you guys are dumping on him. 

It's poor form and embarrassing.

And anyone who says "I wish he was more of a distributor" look at his last two seasons with Indiana where he avered 5.9apg in 34mpg.

And then his 3.7apg in 26 minutes with the Cs.  That's 23% fewer minutes and his APG barely dropped off.

He went from averaging an assist every .17 minutes, to one every .14 minutes with the Celtics.  But he was asked to be more of a scoring punch off the bench that we lacked the previous seasons.  And he did that with 44% 3-point shooting. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
You're going to some really extreme lengths to defend him. Bringing up irrelevant things he did in Indiana are odd. He's a Trail Blazer now

I gotta agree with No Nickname. It's really corny that fans are dumping on Malcolm based on some overblown narrative. If he was unhappy with his role, he didn't let on while he was here. He played the part that was asked of him and did it better than any other sixth man in the league. Even tried to play through an injury in the playoffs.

Just show appreciation and move on. Retroactively trying to paint him as a malcontent because he... didn't smile? Thats lame. There doesn't have to be a villain in this situation.
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Re: Woj: Jrue to Celtics
« Reply #256 on: October 02, 2023, 04:40:25 PM »

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I have to say I do find the team more likeable now with Jrue as opposed to Brogdon and Timelord.

Jrue is one of the easiest guys in the league to root for. I like how he plays. A team first guy. Great attitude. Effort, size, athleticism. Competiveness.

Brogdon rubbed me the wrong way. I hated seeing him criticize his teammate's defense while dogging it on D himself. That disgusted me. The same way it did when Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo Anthony did it. Defense accountability for the minions but not for me. I'm the star. Diva-attitude.

Also, I wasn't loving his style of play on offense. More of an iso-style player than a team based player. When he moved to a team style he became a limited spot up shooter type. In order to be more productive, he had to dominate the ball. Too much for my liking.

Then the injury proness. Big issue for Brogdon. Huge issue for Timelord.

It is nice to get away from those things.

It is nice to have an easy to root for player like Jrue Holiday.

I found it odd that Brogdon seldom smiled.  Made me wonder if he had an underlying problem with his role on the Celtics.

Yes, he had Resting [Blank] Face, but the dude wasn't disgruntled.  You guys are reading into things way too much.

Maybe he wasn't happy when White was declared the starter without having the opportunity to compete for it.  Sure, who wouldn't be p---ed if their superior quit their job and your coworker automatically got promoted without you even being able to apply?

You all think that you wouldn't have SOME emotions?

That being said, he was in Boston getting ready for training camp.  The dude is as professional as they come.  Stop judging someone's feelings/motives... or their PRODUCTION in their job based on a facial expression.

The dude BALLED OUT last year for the Celtics.  Now all you guys are dumping on him. 

It's poor form and embarrassing.

And anyone who says "I wish he was more of a distributor" look at his last two seasons with Indiana where he avered 5.9apg in 34mpg.

And then his 3.7apg in 26 minutes with the Cs.  That's 23% fewer minutes and his APG barely dropped off.

He went from averaging an assist every .17 minutes, to one every .14 minutes with the Celtics.  But he was asked to be more of a scoring punch off the bench that we lacked the previous seasons.  And he did that with 44% 3-point shooting. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
You're going to some really extreme lengths to defend him. Bringing up irrelevant things he did in Indiana are odd. He's a Trail Blazer now

I gotta agree with No Nickname. It's really corny that fans are dumping on Malcolm based on some overblown narrative. If he was unhappy with his role, he didn't let on while he was here. He played the part that was asked of him and did it better than any other sixth man in the league. Even tried to play through an injury in the playoffs.

Just show appreciation and move on. Retroactively trying to paint him as a malcontent because he... didn't smile? Thats lame. There doesn't have to be a villain in this situation.
Sure, the weird psychology via computer is odd. But criticising his porous defence or his average passing (as a Celtic) is pretty valid to me, as are concerns over his health.

Just as we aren't in any position to know how much truth there is to reporting of discontent, so is No Nickname in no position to know how much of a 'professional' Brogdon is
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Re: Woj: Jrue to Celtics
« Reply #257 on: October 02, 2023, 04:49:18 PM »

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I have to say I do find the team more likeable now with Jrue as opposed to Brogdon and Timelord.

Jrue is one of the easiest guys in the league to root for. I like how he plays. A team first guy. Great attitude. Effort, size, athleticism. Competiveness.

Brogdon rubbed me the wrong way. I hated seeing him criticize his teammate's defense while dogging it on D himself. That disgusted me. The same way it did when Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo Anthony did it. Defense accountability for the minions but not for me. I'm the star. Diva-attitude.

Also, I wasn't loving his style of play on offense. More of an iso-style player than a team based player. When he moved to a team style he became a limited spot up shooter type. In order to be more productive, he had to dominate the ball. Too much for my liking.

Then the injury proness. Big issue for Brogdon. Huge issue for Timelord.

It is nice to get away from those things.

It is nice to have an easy to root for player like Jrue Holiday.

I found it odd that Brogdon seldom smiled.  Made me wonder if he had an underlying problem with his role on the Celtics.

Yes, he had Resting [Blank] Face, but the dude wasn't disgruntled.  You guys are reading into things way too much.

Maybe he wasn't happy when White was declared the starter without having the opportunity to compete for it.  Sure, who wouldn't be p---ed if their superior quit their job and your coworker automatically got promoted without you even being able to apply?

You all think that you wouldn't have SOME emotions?

That being said, he was in Boston getting ready for training camp.  The dude is as professional as they come.  Stop judging someone's feelings/motives... or their PRODUCTION in their job based on a facial expression.

The dude BALLED OUT last year for the Celtics.  Now all you guys are dumping on him. 

It's poor form and embarrassing.

And anyone who says "I wish he was more of a distributor" look at his last two seasons with Indiana where he avered 5.9apg in 34mpg.

And then his 3.7apg in 26 minutes with the Cs.  That's 23% fewer minutes and his APG barely dropped off.

He went from averaging an assist every .17 minutes, to one every .14 minutes with the Celtics.  But he was asked to be more of a scoring punch off the bench that we lacked the previous seasons.  And he did that with 44% 3-point shooting. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
You're going to some really extreme lengths to defend him. Bringing up irrelevant things he did in Indiana are odd. He's a Trail Blazer now

I gotta agree with No Nickname. It's really corny that fans are dumping on Malcolm based on some overblown narrative. If he was unhappy with his role, he didn't let on while he was here. He played the part that was asked of him and did it better than any other sixth man in the league. Even tried to play through an injury in the playoffs.

Just show appreciation and move on. Retroactively trying to paint him as a malcontent because he... didn't smile? Thats lame. There doesn't have to be a villain in this situation.
Sure, the weird psychology via computer is odd. But criticising his porous defence or his average passing (as a Celtic) is pretty valid to me, as are concerns over his health.

Just as we aren't in any position to know how much truth there is to reporting of discontent, so is No Nickname in no position to know how much of a 'professional' Brogdon is

I have no problem with criticizing his play, but that's not what I'm referring to here.

And we've seen enough unprofessionalism in the NBA to be able to understand the difference (see: Harden, James). People are accepting "sourced" reports as gospel when the player himself has said nothing one way or the other. Malcolm could've gone on a whiney media tour ala Terry Rozier. He hasn't. His biggest crime is not talking about anything or smiling enough. Weird energy.
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Re: Woj: Jrue to Celtics
« Reply #258 on: October 02, 2023, 04:58:17 PM »

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I have to say I do find the team more likeable now with Jrue as opposed to Brogdon and Timelord.

Jrue is one of the easiest guys in the league to root for. I like how he plays. A team first guy. Great attitude. Effort, size, athleticism. Competiveness.

Brogdon rubbed me the wrong way. I hated seeing him criticize his teammate's defense while dogging it on D himself. That disgusted me. The same way it did when Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo Anthony did it. Defense accountability for the minions but not for me. I'm the star. Diva-attitude.

Also, I wasn't loving his style of play on offense. More of an iso-style player than a team based player. When he moved to a team style he became a limited spot up shooter type. In order to be more productive, he had to dominate the ball. Too much for my liking.

Then the injury proness. Big issue for Brogdon. Huge issue for Timelord.

It is nice to get away from those things.

It is nice to have an easy to root for player like Jrue Holiday.

I found it odd that Brogdon seldom smiled.  Made me wonder if he had an underlying problem with his role on the Celtics.

Yes, he had Resting [Blank] Face, but the dude wasn't disgruntled.  You guys are reading into things way too much.

Maybe he wasn't happy when White was declared the starter without having the opportunity to compete for it.  Sure, who wouldn't be p---ed if their superior quit their job and your coworker automatically got promoted without you even being able to apply?

You all think that you wouldn't have SOME emotions?

That being said, he was in Boston getting ready for training camp.  The dude is as professional as they come.  Stop judging someone's feelings/motives... or their PRODUCTION in their job based on a facial expression.

The dude BALLED OUT last year for the Celtics.  Now all you guys are dumping on him. 

It's poor form and embarrassing.

And anyone who says "I wish he was more of a distributor" look at his last two seasons with Indiana where he avered 5.9apg in 34mpg.

And then his 3.7apg in 26 minutes with the Cs.  That's 23% fewer minutes and his APG barely dropped off.

He went from averaging an assist every .17 minutes, to one every .14 minutes with the Celtics.  But he was asked to be more of a scoring punch off the bench that we lacked the previous seasons.  And he did that with 44% 3-point shooting. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
You're going to some really extreme lengths to defend him. Bringing up irrelevant things he did in Indiana are odd. He's a Trail Blazer now

I gotta agree with No Nickname. It's really corny that fans are dumping on Malcolm based on some overblown narrative. If he was unhappy with his role, he didn't let on while he was here. He played the part that was asked of him and did it better than any other sixth man in the league. Even tried to play through an injury in the playoffs.

Just show appreciation and move on. Retroactively trying to paint him as a malcontent because he... didn't smile? Thats lame. There doesn't have to be a villain in this situation.
Sure, the weird psychology via computer is odd. But criticising his porous defence or his average passing (as a Celtic) is pretty valid to me, as are concerns over his health.

Just as we aren't in any position to know how much truth there is to reporting of discontent, so is No Nickname in no position to know how much of a 'professional' Brogdon is

I have no problem with criticizing his play, but that's not what I'm referring to here.

And we've seen enough unprofessionalism in the NBA to be able to understand the difference (see: Harden, James). People are accepting "sourced" reports as gospel when the player himself has said nothing one way or the other. Malcolm could've gone on a whiney media tour ala Terry Rozier. He hasn't. His biggest crime is not talking about anything or smiling enough. Weird energy.

For whatever it is worth, Brad confirmed that Brogdon was upset about the trade discussions:

Quote
Some stuff has been talked about with the Brogdon stuff, you just have conversations about it,” explained Stevens. “You understand why a person would feel angry about that. But at the same time, that’s why you have those conversations. You work together. Obviously, in almost all scenarios, you’re talking about unbelievable players on all sides.”




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Re: Woj: Jrue to Celtics
« Reply #259 on: October 02, 2023, 05:02:58 PM »

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I have to say I do find the team more likeable now with Jrue as opposed to Brogdon and Timelord.

Jrue is one of the easiest guys in the league to root for. I like how he plays. A team first guy. Great attitude. Effort, size, athleticism. Competiveness.

Brogdon rubbed me the wrong way. I hated seeing him criticize his teammate's defense while dogging it on D himself. That disgusted me. The same way it did when Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo Anthony did it. Defense accountability for the minions but not for me. I'm the star. Diva-attitude.

Also, I wasn't loving his style of play on offense. More of an iso-style player than a team based player. When he moved to a team style he became a limited spot up shooter type. In order to be more productive, he had to dominate the ball. Too much for my liking.

Then the injury proness. Big issue for Brogdon. Huge issue for Timelord.

It is nice to get away from those things.

It is nice to have an easy to root for player like Jrue Holiday.

I found it odd that Brogdon seldom smiled.  Made me wonder if he had an underlying problem with his role on the Celtics.

Yes, he had Resting [Blank] Face, but the dude wasn't disgruntled.  You guys are reading into things way too much.

Maybe he wasn't happy when White was declared the starter without having the opportunity to compete for it.  Sure, who wouldn't be p---ed if their superior quit their job and your coworker automatically got promoted without you even being able to apply?

You all think that you wouldn't have SOME emotions?

That being said, he was in Boston getting ready for training camp.  The dude is as professional as they come.  Stop judging someone's feelings/motives... or their PRODUCTION in their job based on a facial expression.

The dude BALLED OUT last year for the Celtics.  Now all you guys are dumping on him. 

It's poor form and embarrassing.

And anyone who says "I wish he was more of a distributor" look at his last two seasons with Indiana where he avered 5.9apg in 34mpg.

And then his 3.7apg in 26 minutes with the Cs.  That's 23% fewer minutes and his APG barely dropped off.

He went from averaging an assist every .17 minutes, to one every .14 minutes with the Celtics.  But he was asked to be more of a scoring punch off the bench that we lacked the previous seasons.  And he did that with 44% 3-point shooting. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
You're going to some really extreme lengths to defend him. Bringing up irrelevant things he did in Indiana are odd. He's a Trail Blazer now

I gotta agree with No Nickname. It's really corny that fans are dumping on Malcolm based on some overblown narrative. If he was unhappy with his role, he didn't let on while he was here. He played the part that was asked of him and did it better than any other sixth man in the league. Even tried to play through an injury in the playoffs.

Just show appreciation and move on. Retroactively trying to paint him as a malcontent because he... didn't smile? Thats lame. There doesn't have to be a villain in this situation.
Sure, the weird psychology via computer is odd. But criticising his porous defence or his average passing (as a Celtic) is pretty valid to me, as are concerns over his health.

Just as we aren't in any position to know how much truth there is to reporting of discontent, so is No Nickname in no position to know how much of a 'professional' Brogdon is

I have no problem with criticizing his play, but that's not what I'm referring to here.

And we've seen enough unprofessionalism in the NBA to be able to understand the difference (see: Harden, James). People are accepting "sourced" reports as gospel when the player himself has said nothing one way or the other. Malcolm could've gone on a whiney media tour ala Terry Rozier. He hasn't. His biggest crime is not talking about anything or smiling enough. Weird energy.

For whatever it is worth, Brad confirmed that Brogdon was upset about the trade discussions:

Quote
Some stuff has been talked about with the Brogdon stuff, you just have conversations about it,” explained Stevens. “You understand why a person would feel angry about that. But at the same time, that’s why you have those conversations. You work together. Obviously, in almost all scenarios, you’re talking about unbelievable players on all sides.”

Brogdon shouldn’t unpack his bags just yet ,  I expect he ll wind up on Philly or Miami.

Re: Woj: Jrue to Celtics
« Reply #260 on: October 02, 2023, 05:22:48 PM »

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I have to say I do find the team more likeable now with Jrue as opposed to Brogdon and Timelord.

Jrue is one of the easiest guys in the league to root for. I like how he plays. A team first guy. Great attitude. Effort, size, athleticism. Competiveness.

Brogdon rubbed me the wrong way. I hated seeing him criticize his teammate's defense while dogging it on D himself. That disgusted me. The same way it did when Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo Anthony did it. Defense accountability for the minions but not for me. I'm the star. Diva-attitude.

Also, I wasn't loving his style of play on offense. More of an iso-style player than a team based player. When he moved to a team style he became a limited spot up shooter type. In order to be more productive, he had to dominate the ball. Too much for my liking.

Then the injury proness. Big issue for Brogdon. Huge issue for Timelord.

It is nice to get away from those things.

It is nice to have an easy to root for player like Jrue Holiday.

I found it odd that Brogdon seldom smiled.  Made me wonder if he had an underlying problem with his role on the Celtics.

Yes, he had Resting [Blank] Face, but the dude wasn't disgruntled.  You guys are reading into things way too much.

Maybe he wasn't happy when White was declared the starter without having the opportunity to compete for it.  Sure, who wouldn't be p---ed if their superior quit their job and your coworker automatically got promoted without you even being able to apply?

You all think that you wouldn't have SOME emotions?

That being said, he was in Boston getting ready for training camp.  The dude is as professional as they come.  Stop judging someone's feelings/motives... or their PRODUCTION in their job based on a facial expression.

The dude BALLED OUT last year for the Celtics.  Now all you guys are dumping on him. 

It's poor form and embarrassing.

And anyone who says "I wish he was more of a distributor" look at his last two seasons with Indiana where he avered 5.9apg in 34mpg.

And then his 3.7apg in 26 minutes with the Cs.  That's 23% fewer minutes and his APG barely dropped off.

He went from averaging an assist every .17 minutes, to one every .14 minutes with the Celtics.  But he was asked to be more of a scoring punch off the bench that we lacked the previous seasons.  And he did that with 44% 3-point shooting. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
You're going to some really extreme lengths to defend him. Bringing up irrelevant things he did in Indiana are odd. He's a Trail Blazer now

I gotta agree with No Nickname. It's really corny that fans are dumping on Malcolm based on some overblown narrative. If he was unhappy with his role, he didn't let on while he was here. He played the part that was asked of him and did it better than any other sixth man in the league. Even tried to play through an injury in the playoffs.

Just show appreciation and move on. Retroactively trying to paint him as a malcontent because he... didn't smile? Thats lame. There doesn't have to be a villain in this situation.
Sure, the weird psychology via computer is odd. But criticising his porous defence or his average passing (as a Celtic) is pretty valid to me, as are concerns over his health.

Just as we aren't in any position to know how much truth there is to reporting of discontent, so is No Nickname in no position to know how much of a 'professional' Brogdon is

I have no problem with criticizing his play, but that's not what I'm referring to here.

And we've seen enough unprofessionalism in the NBA to be able to understand the difference (see: Harden, James). People are accepting "sourced" reports as gospel when the player himself has said nothing one way or the other. Malcolm could've gone on a whiney media tour ala Terry Rozier. He hasn't. His biggest crime is not talking about anything or smiling enough. Weird energy.

For whatever it is worth, Brad confirmed that Brogdon was upset about the trade discussions:

Quote
Some stuff has been talked about with the Brogdon stuff, you just have conversations about it,” explained Stevens. “You understand why a person would feel angry about that. But at the same time, that’s why you have those conversations. You work together. Obviously, in almost all scenarios, you’re talking about unbelievable players on all sides.”
Unless Stevens promised Brogdon that he wouldn't be traded, I don't under why he'd be angry about being offered in trade discussions.  Being traded is part of the game.  He hadn't even been a Celtic for long. 

Re: Woj: Jrue to Celtics
« Reply #261 on: October 02, 2023, 05:26:05 PM »

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I have to say I do find the team more likeable now with Jrue as opposed to Brogdon and Timelord.

Jrue is one of the easiest guys in the league to root for. I like how he plays. A team first guy. Great attitude. Effort, size, athleticism. Competiveness.

Brogdon rubbed me the wrong way. I hated seeing him criticize his teammate's defense while dogging it on D himself. That disgusted me. The same way it did when Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo Anthony did it. Defense accountability for the minions but not for me. I'm the star. Diva-attitude.

Also, I wasn't loving his style of play on offense. More of an iso-style player than a team based player. When he moved to a team style he became a limited spot up shooter type. In order to be more productive, he had to dominate the ball. Too much for my liking.

Then the injury proness. Big issue for Brogdon. Huge issue for Timelord.

It is nice to get away from those things.

It is nice to have an easy to root for player like Jrue Holiday.

I found it odd that Brogdon seldom smiled.  Made me wonder if he had an underlying problem with his role on the Celtics.

Yes, he had Resting [Blank] Face, but the dude wasn't disgruntled.  You guys are reading into things way too much.

Maybe he wasn't happy when White was declared the starter without having the opportunity to compete for it.  Sure, who wouldn't be p---ed if their superior quit their job and your coworker automatically got promoted without you even being able to apply?

You all think that you wouldn't have SOME emotions?

That being said, he was in Boston getting ready for training camp.  The dude is as professional as they come.  Stop judging someone's feelings/motives... or their PRODUCTION in their job based on a facial expression.

The dude BALLED OUT last year for the Celtics.  Now all you guys are dumping on him. 

It's poor form and embarrassing.

And anyone who says "I wish he was more of a distributor" look at his last two seasons with Indiana where he avered 5.9apg in 34mpg.

And then his 3.7apg in 26 minutes with the Cs.  That's 23% fewer minutes and his APG barely dropped off.

He went from averaging an assist every .17 minutes, to one every .14 minutes with the Celtics.  But he was asked to be more of a scoring punch off the bench that we lacked the previous seasons.  And he did that with 44% 3-point shooting. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
You're going to some really extreme lengths to defend him. Bringing up irrelevant things he did in Indiana are odd. He's a Trail Blazer now

I gotta agree with No Nickname. It's really corny that fans are dumping on Malcolm based on some overblown narrative. If he was unhappy with his role, he didn't let on while he was here. He played the part that was asked of him and did it better than any other sixth man in the league. Even tried to play through an injury in the playoffs.

Just show appreciation and move on. Retroactively trying to paint him as a malcontent because he... didn't smile? Thats lame. There doesn't have to be a villain in this situation.
Sure, the weird psychology via computer is odd. But criticising his porous defence or his average passing (as a Celtic) is pretty valid to me, as are concerns over his health.

Just as we aren't in any position to know how much truth there is to reporting of discontent, so is No Nickname in no position to know how much of a 'professional' Brogdon is

I have no problem with criticizing his play, but that's not what I'm referring to here.

And we've seen enough unprofessionalism in the NBA to be able to understand the difference (see: Harden, James). People are accepting "sourced" reports as gospel when the player himself has said nothing one way or the other. Malcolm could've gone on a whiney media tour ala Terry Rozier. He hasn't. His biggest crime is not talking about anything or smiling enough. Weird energy.

For whatever it is worth, Brad confirmed that Brogdon was upset about the trade discussions:

Quote
Some stuff has been talked about with the Brogdon stuff, you just have conversations about it,” explained Stevens. “You understand why a person would feel angry about that. But at the same time, that’s why you have those conversations. You work together. Obviously, in almost all scenarios, you’re talking about unbelievable players on all sides.”

Brogdon shouldn’t unpack his bags just yet ,  I expect he ll wind up on Philly or Miami.
Unless it is part of a Harden trade, he's not going to Philly.  I'd guess LAC is a more likely destination. 

Re: Woj: Jrue to Celtics
« Reply #262 on: October 02, 2023, 05:41:21 PM »

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I have to say I do find the team more likeable now with Jrue as opposed to Brogdon and Timelord.

Jrue is one of the easiest guys in the league to root for. I like how he plays. A team first guy. Great attitude. Effort, size, athleticism. Competiveness.

Brogdon rubbed me the wrong way. I hated seeing him criticize his teammate's defense while dogging it on D himself. That disgusted me. The same way it did when Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo Anthony did it. Defense accountability for the minions but not for me. I'm the star. Diva-attitude.

Also, I wasn't loving his style of play on offense. More of an iso-style player than a team based player. When he moved to a team style he became a limited spot up shooter type. In order to be more productive, he had to dominate the ball. Too much for my liking.

Then the injury proness. Big issue for Brogdon. Huge issue for Timelord.

It is nice to get away from those things.

It is nice to have an easy to root for player like Jrue Holiday.

I found it odd that Brogdon seldom smiled.  Made me wonder if he had an underlying problem with his role on the Celtics.

Yes, he had Resting [Blank] Face, but the dude wasn't disgruntled.  You guys are reading into things way too much.

Maybe he wasn't happy when White was declared the starter without having the opportunity to compete for it.  Sure, who wouldn't be p---ed if their superior quit their job and your coworker automatically got promoted without you even being able to apply?

You all think that you wouldn't have SOME emotions?

That being said, he was in Boston getting ready for training camp.  The dude is as professional as they come.  Stop judging someone's feelings/motives... or their PRODUCTION in their job based on a facial expression.

The dude BALLED OUT last year for the Celtics.  Now all you guys are dumping on him. 

It's poor form and embarrassing.

And anyone who says "I wish he was more of a distributor" look at his last two seasons with Indiana where he avered 5.9apg in 34mpg.

And then his 3.7apg in 26 minutes with the Cs.  That's 23% fewer minutes and his APG barely dropped off.

He went from averaging an assist every .17 minutes, to one every .14 minutes with the Celtics.  But he was asked to be more of a scoring punch off the bench that we lacked the previous seasons.  And he did that with 44% 3-point shooting. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
You're going to some really extreme lengths to defend him. Bringing up irrelevant things he did in Indiana are odd. He's a Trail Blazer now

Irrelevant?  People are saying he wasn't "much of a distributor here."

So comparing his assist stats in Indiana vs in Boston is irrelevant?

Also, that's "extreme?"

What a joke.

Re: Woj: Jrue to Celtics
« Reply #263 on: October 02, 2023, 05:43:49 PM »

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I have to say I do find the team more likeable now with Jrue as opposed to Brogdon and Timelord.

Jrue is one of the easiest guys in the league to root for. I like how he plays. A team first guy. Great attitude. Effort, size, athleticism. Competiveness.

Brogdon rubbed me the wrong way. I hated seeing him criticize his teammate's defense while dogging it on D himself. That disgusted me. The same way it did when Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo Anthony did it. Defense accountability for the minions but not for me. I'm the star. Diva-attitude.

Also, I wasn't loving his style of play on offense. More of an iso-style player than a team based player. When he moved to a team style he became a limited spot up shooter type. In order to be more productive, he had to dominate the ball. Too much for my liking.

Then the injury proness. Big issue for Brogdon. Huge issue for Timelord.

It is nice to get away from those things.

It is nice to have an easy to root for player like Jrue Holiday.

I found it odd that Brogdon seldom smiled.  Made me wonder if he had an underlying problem with his role on the Celtics.

Yes, he had Resting [Blank] Face, but the dude wasn't disgruntled.  You guys are reading into things way too much.

Maybe he wasn't happy when White was declared the starter without having the opportunity to compete for it.  Sure, who wouldn't be p---ed if their superior quit their job and your coworker automatically got promoted without you even being able to apply?

You all think that you wouldn't have SOME emotions?

That being said, he was in Boston getting ready for training camp.  The dude is as professional as they come.  Stop judging someone's feelings/motives... or their PRODUCTION in their job based on a facial expression.

The dude BALLED OUT last year for the Celtics.  Now all you guys are dumping on him. 

It's poor form and embarrassing.

And anyone who says "I wish he was more of a distributor" look at his last two seasons with Indiana where he avered 5.9apg in 34mpg.

And then his 3.7apg in 26 minutes with the Cs.  That's 23% fewer minutes and his APG barely dropped off.

He went from averaging an assist every .17 minutes, to one every .14 minutes with the Celtics.  But he was asked to be more of a scoring punch off the bench that we lacked the previous seasons.  And he did that with 44% 3-point shooting. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
You're going to some really extreme lengths to defend him. Bringing up irrelevant things he did in Indiana are odd. He's a Trail Blazer now

I gotta agree with No Nickname. It's really corny that fans are dumping on Malcolm based on some overblown narrative. If he was unhappy with his role, he didn't let on while he was here. He played the part that was asked of him and did it better than any other sixth man in the league. Even tried to play through an injury in the playoffs.

Just show appreciation and move on. Retroactively trying to paint him as a malcontent because he... didn't smile? Thats lame. There doesn't have to be a villain in this situation.
Sure, the weird psychology via computer is odd. But criticising his porous defence or his average passing (as a Celtic) is pretty valid to me, as are concerns over his health.

Just as we aren't in any position to know how much truth there is to reporting of discontent, so is No Nickname in no position to know how much of a 'professional' Brogdon is

I have no problem with criticizing his play, but that's not what I'm referring to here.

And we've seen enough unprofessionalism in the NBA to be able to understand the difference (see: Harden, James). People are accepting "sourced" reports as gospel when the player himself has said nothing one way or the other. Malcolm could've gone on a whiney media tour ala Terry Rozier. He hasn't. His biggest crime is not talking about anything or smiling enough. Weird energy.

Exactly.

Re: Woj: Jrue to Celtics
« Reply #264 on: October 02, 2023, 05:48:55 PM »

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I have to say I do find the team more likeable now with Jrue as opposed to Brogdon and Timelord.

Jrue is one of the easiest guys in the league to root for. I like how he plays. A team first guy. Great attitude. Effort, size, athleticism. Competiveness.

Brogdon rubbed me the wrong way. I hated seeing him criticize his teammate's defense while dogging it on D himself. That disgusted me. The same way it did when Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo Anthony did it. Defense accountability for the minions but not for me. I'm the star. Diva-attitude.

Also, I wasn't loving his style of play on offense. More of an iso-style player than a team based player. When he moved to a team style he became a limited spot up shooter type. In order to be more productive, he had to dominate the ball. Too much for my liking.

Then the injury proness. Big issue for Brogdon. Huge issue for Timelord.

It is nice to get away from those things.

It is nice to have an easy to root for player like Jrue Holiday.

I found it odd that Brogdon seldom smiled.  Made me wonder if he had an underlying problem with his role on the Celtics.

Yes, he had Resting [Blank] Face, but the dude wasn't disgruntled.  You guys are reading into things way too much.

Maybe he wasn't happy when White was declared the starter without having the opportunity to compete for it.  Sure, who wouldn't be p---ed if their superior quit their job and your coworker automatically got promoted without you even being able to apply?

You all think that you wouldn't have SOME emotions?

That being said, he was in Boston getting ready for training camp.  The dude is as professional as they come.  Stop judging someone's feelings/motives... or their PRODUCTION in their job based on a facial expression.

The dude BALLED OUT last year for the Celtics.  Now all you guys are dumping on him. 

It's poor form and embarrassing.

And anyone who says "I wish he was more of a distributor" look at his last two seasons with Indiana where he avered 5.9apg in 34mpg.

And then his 3.7apg in 26 minutes with the Cs.  That's 23% fewer minutes and his APG barely dropped off.

He went from averaging an assist every .17 minutes, to one every .14 minutes with the Celtics.  But he was asked to be more of a scoring punch off the bench that we lacked the previous seasons.  And he did that with 44% 3-point shooting. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
You're going to some really extreme lengths to defend him. Bringing up irrelevant things he did in Indiana are odd. He's a Trail Blazer now

I gotta agree with No Nickname. It's really corny that fans are dumping on Malcolm based on some overblown narrative. If he was unhappy with his role, he didn't let on while he was here. He played the part that was asked of him and did it better than any other sixth man in the league. Even tried to play through an injury in the playoffs.

Just show appreciation and move on. Retroactively trying to paint him as a malcontent because he... didn't smile? Thats lame. There doesn't have to be a villain in this situation.
Sure, the weird psychology via computer is odd. But criticising his porous defence or his average passing (as a Celtic) is pretty valid to me, as are concerns over his health.

Just as we aren't in any position to know how much truth there is to reporting of discontent, so is No Nickname in no position to know how much of a 'professional' Brogdon is

I have no problem with criticizing his play, but that's not what I'm referring to here.

And we've seen enough unprofessionalism in the NBA to be able to understand the difference (see: Harden, James). People are accepting "sourced" reports as gospel when the player himself has said nothing one way or the other. Malcolm could've gone on a whiney media tour ala Terry Rozier. He hasn't. His biggest crime is not talking about anything or smiling enough. Weird energy.

For whatever it is worth, Brad confirmed that Brogdon was upset about the trade discussions:

Quote
Some stuff has been talked about with the Brogdon stuff, you just have conversations about it,” explained Stevens. “You understand why a person would feel angry about that. But at the same time, that’s why you have those conversations. You work together. Obviously, in almost all scenarios, you’re talking about unbelievable players on all sides.”

Yes, but there's a difference between going public with not being happy and discussing IN PRIVATE with your GM how you feel. 

The first is unprofessional and makes it hard to assimilate with the team in the future.

The second is very professional, especially if you've been told how big a part of the organization you are, you don't complain about being demoted to the bench, and you excel at whatever the team asks you to do.

Two completely different scenarios.  If your employee goes badmouthing you Roy to the entire staff, or on social media, or through intermediaries, that's unprofessional.

If he asks to speak privately with you about a situation and honestly conveys his disapproval of one of your decisions, but keeps it to himself, that's called being professional.

Re: Woj: Jrue to Celtics
« Reply #265 on: October 02, 2023, 05:59:57 PM »

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In fairness to Brogdon -- he didn't sign up for this. He signed a four year deal plus a two year extension with Indiana, where he was the main ballhandler on the Pacers. He had some other guys there -- over time Oladipo, Warren, Sabonis, Turner, but he was a clear starter and main ballhandler on the team. That's what he signed up for. To start and have the ball in his hands. His usage rate was 26% for those years, where guys like Darius Garland and Jamal Murray are.

Then he gets moved to Boston, fine. Sent to the bench, okay. Lowered usage to 23% and people were still complaining that he was a ballhog and not a point guard. Then they try to trade him.

I don't know -- he had made his choice to leave a good team to go be more like "the guy" and score 20+ points a game. His scorecard of what he was looking for is different than what he got in Boston. I think it's fair game to criticize him for having perhaps the wrong scorecard but otherwise the situation evolved to something he didn't like.
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Re: Woj: Jrue to Celtics
« Reply #266 on: October 02, 2023, 06:01:14 PM »

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I have to say I do find the team more likeable now with Jrue as opposed to Brogdon and Timelord.

Jrue is one of the easiest guys in the league to root for. I like how he plays. A team first guy. Great attitude. Effort, size, athleticism. Competiveness.

Brogdon rubbed me the wrong way. I hated seeing him criticize his teammate's defense while dogging it on D himself. That disgusted me. The same way it did when Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo Anthony did it. Defense accountability for the minions but not for me. I'm the star. Diva-attitude.

Also, I wasn't loving his style of play on offense. More of an iso-style player than a team based player. When he moved to a team style he became a limited spot up shooter type. In order to be more productive, he had to dominate the ball. Too much for my liking.

Then the injury proness. Big issue for Brogdon. Huge issue for Timelord.

It is nice to get away from those things.

It is nice to have an easy to root for player like Jrue Holiday.

I found it odd that Brogdon seldom smiled.  Made me wonder if he had an underlying problem with his role on the Celtics.

Yes, he had Resting [Blank] Face, but the dude wasn't disgruntled.  You guys are reading into things way too much.

Maybe he wasn't happy when White was declared the starter without having the opportunity to compete for it.  Sure, who wouldn't be p---ed if their superior quit their job and your coworker automatically got promoted without you even being able to apply?

You all think that you wouldn't have SOME emotions?

That being said, he was in Boston getting ready for training camp.  The dude is as professional as they come.  Stop judging someone's feelings/motives... or their PRODUCTION in their job based on a facial expression.

The dude BALLED OUT last year for the Celtics.  Now all you guys are dumping on him. 

It's poor form and embarrassing.

And anyone who says "I wish he was more of a distributor" look at his last two seasons with Indiana where he avered 5.9apg in 34mpg.

And then his 3.7apg in 26 minutes with the Cs.  That's 23% fewer minutes and his APG barely dropped off.

He went from averaging an assist every .17 minutes, to one every .14 minutes with the Celtics.  But he was asked to be more of a scoring punch off the bench that we lacked the previous seasons.  And he did that with 44% 3-point shooting. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
You're going to some really extreme lengths to defend him. Bringing up irrelevant things he did in Indiana are odd. He's a Trail Blazer now

I gotta agree with No Nickname. It's really corny that fans are dumping on Malcolm based on some overblown narrative. If he was unhappy with his role, he didn't let on while he was here. He played the part that was asked of him and did it better than any other sixth man in the league. Even tried to play through an injury in the playoffs.

Just show appreciation and move on. Retroactively trying to paint him as a malcontent because he... didn't smile? Thats lame. There doesn't have to be a villain in this situation.
Sure, the weird psychology via computer is odd. But criticising his porous defence or his average passing (as a Celtic) is pretty valid to me, as are concerns over his health.

Just as we aren't in any position to know how much truth there is to reporting of discontent, so is No Nickname in no position to know how much of a 'professional' Brogdon is

I have no problem with criticizing his play, but that's not what I'm referring to here.

And we've seen enough unprofessionalism in the NBA to be able to understand the difference (see: Harden, James). People are accepting "sourced" reports as gospel when the player himself has said nothing one way or the other. Malcolm could've gone on a whiney media tour ala Terry Rozier. He hasn't. His biggest crime is not talking about anything or smiling enough. Weird energy.

For whatever it is worth, Brad confirmed that Brogdon was upset about the trade discussions:

Quote
Some stuff has been talked about with the Brogdon stuff, you just have conversations about it,” explained Stevens. “You understand why a person would feel angry about that. But at the same time, that’s why you have those conversations. You work together. Obviously, in almost all scenarios, you’re talking about unbelievable players on all sides.”

Yes, but there's a difference between going public with not being happy and discussing IN PRIVATE with your GM how you feel. 

The first is unprofessional and makes it hard to assimilate with the team in the future.

The second is very professional, especially if you've been told how big a part of the organization you are, you don't complain about being demoted to the bench, and you excel at whatever the team asks you to do.

Two completely different scenarios.  If your employee goes badmouthing you Roy to the entire staff, or on social media, or through intermediaries, that's unprofessional.

If he asks to speak privately with you about a situation and honestly conveys his disapproval of one of your decisions, but keeps it to himself, that's called being professional.

Sure.  But, there are other reports about him not responding to Joe over the summer that make it seem like a bigger issue.  If that story is true, it probably motivated the Celts to pay more for Jrue than they otherwise would have.


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Re: Woj: Jrue to Celtics
« Reply #267 on: October 02, 2023, 06:14:19 PM »

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I have to say I do find the team more likeable now with Jrue as opposed to Brogdon and Timelord.

Jrue is one of the easiest guys in the league to root for. I like how he plays. A team first guy. Great attitude. Effort, size, athleticism. Competiveness.

Brogdon rubbed me the wrong way. I hated seeing him criticize his teammate's defense while dogging it on D himself. That disgusted me. The same way it did when Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo Anthony did it. Defense accountability for the minions but not for me. I'm the star. Diva-attitude.

Also, I wasn't loving his style of play on offense. More of an iso-style player than a team based player. When he moved to a team style he became a limited spot up shooter type. In order to be more productive, he had to dominate the ball. Too much for my liking.

Then the injury proness. Big issue for Brogdon. Huge issue for Timelord.

It is nice to get away from those things.

It is nice to have an easy to root for player like Jrue Holiday.

I found it odd that Brogdon seldom smiled.  Made me wonder if he had an underlying problem with his role on the Celtics.

Yes, he had Resting [Blank] Face, but the dude wasn't disgruntled.  You guys are reading into things way too much.

Maybe he wasn't happy when White was declared the starter without having the opportunity to compete for it.  Sure, who wouldn't be p---ed if their superior quit their job and your coworker automatically got promoted without you even being able to apply?

You all think that you wouldn't have SOME emotions?

That being said, he was in Boston getting ready for training camp.  The dude is as professional as they come.  Stop judging someone's feelings/motives... or their PRODUCTION in their job based on a facial expression.

The dude BALLED OUT last year for the Celtics.  Now all you guys are dumping on him. 

It's poor form and embarrassing.

And anyone who says "I wish he was more of a distributor" look at his last two seasons with Indiana where he avered 5.9apg in 34mpg.

And then his 3.7apg in 26 minutes with the Cs.  That's 23% fewer minutes and his APG barely dropped off.

He went from averaging an assist every .17 minutes, to one every .14 minutes with the Celtics.  But he was asked to be more of a scoring punch off the bench that we lacked the previous seasons.  And he did that with 44% 3-point shooting. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
You're going to some really extreme lengths to defend him. Bringing up irrelevant things he did in Indiana are odd. He's a Trail Blazer now

I gotta agree with No Nickname. It's really corny that fans are dumping on Malcolm based on some overblown narrative. If he was unhappy with his role, he didn't let on while he was here. He played the part that was asked of him and did it better than any other sixth man in the league. Even tried to play through an injury in the playoffs.

Just show appreciation and move on. Retroactively trying to paint him as a malcontent because he... didn't smile? Thats lame. There doesn't have to be a villain in this situation.
Sure, the weird psychology via computer is odd. But criticising his porous defence or his average passing (as a Celtic) is pretty valid to me, as are concerns over his health.

Just as we aren't in any position to know how much truth there is to reporting of discontent, so is No Nickname in no position to know how much of a 'professional' Brogdon is

I have no problem with criticizing his play, but that's not what I'm referring to here.

And we've seen enough unprofessionalism in the NBA to be able to understand the difference (see: Harden, James). People are accepting "sourced" reports as gospel when the player himself has said nothing one way or the other. Malcolm could've gone on a whiney media tour ala Terry Rozier. He hasn't. His biggest crime is not talking about anything or smiling enough. Weird energy.

For whatever it is worth, Brad confirmed that Brogdon was upset about the trade discussions:

Quote
Some stuff has been talked about with the Brogdon stuff, you just have conversations about it,” explained Stevens. “You understand why a person would feel angry about that. But at the same time, that’s why you have those conversations. You work together. Obviously, in almost all scenarios, you’re talking about unbelievable players on all sides.”

Yes, but there's a difference between going public with not being happy and discussing IN PRIVATE with your GM how you feel. 

The first is unprofessional and makes it hard to assimilate with the team in the future.

The second is very professional, especially if you've been told how big a part of the organization you are, you don't complain about being demoted to the bench, and you excel at whatever the team asks you to do.

Two completely different scenarios.  If your employee goes badmouthing you Roy to the entire staff, or on social media, or through intermediaries, that's unprofessional.

If he asks to speak privately with you about a situation and honestly conveys his disapproval of one of your decisions, but keeps it to himself, that's called being professional.

Sure.  But, there are other reports about him not responding to Joe over the summer that make it seem like a bigger issue.  If that story is true, it probably motivated the Celts to pay more for Jrue than they otherwise would have.

Appreciate the confirmation.

Regarding this other issue, that's interesting and probably could have been motivation to move him, if true.  Do you have a link?

Re: Woj: Jrue to Celtics
« Reply #268 on: October 02, 2023, 06:41:46 PM »

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I have to say I do find the team more likeable now with Jrue as opposed to Brogdon and Timelord.

Jrue is one of the easiest guys in the league to root for. I like how he plays. A team first guy. Great attitude. Effort, size, athleticism. Competiveness.

Brogdon rubbed me the wrong way. I hated seeing him criticize his teammate's defense while dogging it on D himself. That disgusted me. The same way it did when Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo Anthony did it. Defense accountability for the minions but not for me. I'm the star. Diva-attitude.

Also, I wasn't loving his style of play on offense. More of an iso-style player than a team based player. When he moved to a team style he became a limited spot up shooter type. In order to be more productive, he had to dominate the ball. Too much for my liking.

Then the injury proness. Big issue for Brogdon. Huge issue for Timelord.

It is nice to get away from those things.

It is nice to have an easy to root for player like Jrue Holiday.

I found it odd that Brogdon seldom smiled.  Made me wonder if he had an underlying problem with his role on the Celtics.

Yes, he had Resting [Blank] Face, but the dude wasn't disgruntled.  You guys are reading into things way too much.

Maybe he wasn't happy when White was declared the starter without having the opportunity to compete for it.  Sure, who wouldn't be p---ed if their superior quit their job and your coworker automatically got promoted without you even being able to apply?

You all think that you wouldn't have SOME emotions?

That being said, he was in Boston getting ready for training camp.  The dude is as professional as they come.  Stop judging someone's feelings/motives... or their PRODUCTION in their job based on a facial expression.

The dude BALLED OUT last year for the Celtics.  Now all you guys are dumping on him. 

It's poor form and embarrassing.

And anyone who says "I wish he was more of a distributor" look at his last two seasons with Indiana where he avered 5.9apg in 34mpg.

And then his 3.7apg in 26 minutes with the Cs.  That's 23% fewer minutes and his APG barely dropped off.

He went from averaging an assist every .17 minutes, to one every .14 minutes with the Celtics.  But he was asked to be more of a scoring punch off the bench that we lacked the previous seasons.  And he did that with 44% 3-point shooting. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
You're going to some really extreme lengths to defend him. Bringing up irrelevant things he did in Indiana are odd. He's a Trail Blazer now

I gotta agree with No Nickname. It's really corny that fans are dumping on Malcolm based on some overblown narrative. If he was unhappy with his role, he didn't let on while he was here. He played the part that was asked of him and did it better than any other sixth man in the league. Even tried to play through an injury in the playoffs.

Just show appreciation and move on. Retroactively trying to paint him as a malcontent because he... didn't smile? Thats lame. There doesn't have to be a villain in this situation.
Sure, the weird psychology via computer is odd. But criticising his porous defence or his average passing (as a Celtic) is pretty valid to me, as are concerns over his health.

Just as we aren't in any position to know how much truth there is to reporting of discontent, so is No Nickname in no position to know how much of a 'professional' Brogdon is

I have no problem with criticizing his play, but that's not what I'm referring to here.

And we've seen enough unprofessionalism in the NBA to be able to understand the difference (see: Harden, James). People are accepting "sourced" reports as gospel when the player himself has said nothing one way or the other. Malcolm could've gone on a whiney media tour ala Terry Rozier. He hasn't. His biggest crime is not talking about anything or smiling enough. Weird energy.

For whatever it is worth, Brad confirmed that Brogdon was upset about the trade discussions:

Quote
Some stuff has been talked about with the Brogdon stuff, you just have conversations about it,” explained Stevens. “You understand why a person would feel angry about that. But at the same time, that’s why you have those conversations. You work together. Obviously, in almost all scenarios, you’re talking about unbelievable players on all sides.”

Yes, but there's a difference between going public with not being happy and discussing IN PRIVATE with your GM how you feel. 

The first is unprofessional and makes it hard to assimilate with the team in the future.

The second is very professional, especially if you've been told how big a part of the organization you are, you don't complain about being demoted to the bench, and you excel at whatever the team asks you to do.

Two completely different scenarios.  If your employee goes badmouthing you Roy to the entire staff, or on social media, or through intermediaries, that's unprofessional.

If he asks to speak privately with you about a situation and honestly conveys his disapproval of one of your decisions, but keeps it to himself, that's called being professional.

Sure.  But, there are other reports about him not responding to Joe over the summer that make it seem like a bigger issue.  If that story is true, it probably motivated the Celts to pay more for Jrue than they otherwise would have.

Appreciate the confirmation.

Regarding this other issue, that's interesting and probably could have been motivation to move him, if true.  Do you have a link?

I can't find it; maybe I made it up.  This is the closest I can find:

Quote
According to team sources, Brogdon only had communication with Brad Stevens during the offseason, with Stevens flying to Atlanta to meet with Brogdon in early August. Stevens worked throughout the offseason to mend the relationship with Brogdon and made progress. The sixth man eventually was willing to rejoin the team, even if he still preferred a fresh start elsewhere. 24 hours ago – via Jared Weiss @ The Athletic



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Re: Woj: Jrue to Celtics
« Reply #269 on: October 02, 2023, 06:54:26 PM »

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I have to say I do find the team more likeable now with Jrue as opposed to Brogdon and Timelord.

Jrue is one of the easiest guys in the league to root for. I like how he plays. A team first guy. Great attitude. Effort, size, athleticism. Competiveness.

Brogdon rubbed me the wrong way. I hated seeing him criticize his teammate's defense while dogging it on D himself. That disgusted me. The same way it did when Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo Anthony did it. Defense accountability for the minions but not for me. I'm the star. Diva-attitude.

Also, I wasn't loving his style of play on offense. More of an iso-style player than a team based player. When he moved to a team style he became a limited spot up shooter type. In order to be more productive, he had to dominate the ball. Too much for my liking.

Then the injury proness. Big issue for Brogdon. Huge issue for Timelord.

It is nice to get away from those things.

It is nice to have an easy to root for player like Jrue Holiday.

I found it odd that Brogdon seldom smiled.  Made me wonder if he had an underlying problem with his role on the Celtics.

Yes, he had Resting [Blank] Face, but the dude wasn't disgruntled.  You guys are reading into things way too much.

Maybe he wasn't happy when White was declared the starter without having the opportunity to compete for it.  Sure, who wouldn't be p---ed if their superior quit their job and your coworker automatically got promoted without you even being able to apply?

You all think that you wouldn't have SOME emotions?

That being said, he was in Boston getting ready for training camp.  The dude is as professional as they come.  Stop judging someone's feelings/motives... or their PRODUCTION in their job based on a facial expression.

The dude BALLED OUT last year for the Celtics.  Now all you guys are dumping on him. 

It's poor form and embarrassing.

And anyone who says "I wish he was more of a distributor" look at his last two seasons with Indiana where he avered 5.9apg in 34mpg.

And then his 3.7apg in 26 minutes with the Cs.  That's 23% fewer minutes and his APG barely dropped off.

He went from averaging an assist every .17 minutes, to one every .14 minutes with the Celtics.  But he was asked to be more of a scoring punch off the bench that we lacked the previous seasons.  And he did that with 44% 3-point shooting. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
You're going to some really extreme lengths to defend him. Bringing up irrelevant things he did in Indiana are odd. He's a Trail Blazer now

I gotta agree with No Nickname. It's really corny that fans are dumping on Malcolm based on some overblown narrative. If he was unhappy with his role, he didn't let on while he was here. He played the part that was asked of him and did it better than any other sixth man in the league. Even tried to play through an injury in the playoffs.

Just show appreciation and move on. Retroactively trying to paint him as a malcontent because he... didn't smile? Thats lame. There doesn't have to be a villain in this situation.
Sure, the weird psychology via computer is odd. But criticising his porous defence or his average passing (as a Celtic) is pretty valid to me, as are concerns over his health.

Just as we aren't in any position to know how much truth there is to reporting of discontent, so is No Nickname in no position to know how much of a 'professional' Brogdon is

I have no problem with criticizing his play, but that's not what I'm referring to here.

And we've seen enough unprofessionalism in the NBA to be able to understand the difference (see: Harden, James). People are accepting "sourced" reports as gospel when the player himself has said nothing one way or the other. Malcolm could've gone on a whiney media tour ala Terry Rozier. He hasn't. His biggest crime is not talking about anything or smiling enough. Weird energy.

For whatever it is worth, Brad confirmed that Brogdon was upset about the trade discussions:

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Some stuff has been talked about with the Brogdon stuff, you just have conversations about it,” explained Stevens. “You understand why a person would feel angry about that. But at the same time, that’s why you have those conversations. You work together. Obviously, in almost all scenarios, you’re talking about unbelievable players on all sides.”

Yes, but there's a difference between going public with not being happy and discussing IN PRIVATE with your GM how you feel. 

The first is unprofessional and makes it hard to assimilate with the team in the future.

The second is very professional, especially if you've been told how big a part of the organization you are, you don't complain about being demoted to the bench, and you excel at whatever the team asks you to do.

Two completely different scenarios.  If your employee goes badmouthing you Roy to the entire staff, or on social media, or through intermediaries, that's unprofessional.

If he asks to speak privately with you about a situation and honestly conveys his disapproval of one of your decisions, but keeps it to himself, that's called being professional.

Sure.  But, there are other reports about him not responding to Joe over the summer that make it seem like a bigger issue.  If that story is true, it probably motivated the Celts to pay more for Jrue than they otherwise would have.

Appreciate the confirmation.

Regarding this other issue, that's interesting and probably could have been motivation to move him, if true.  Do you have a link?

I can't find it; maybe I made it up.  This is the closest I can find:

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According to team sources, Brogdon only had communication with Brad Stevens during the offseason, with Stevens flying to Atlanta to meet with Brogdon in early August. Stevens worked throughout the offseason to mend the relationship with Brogdon and made progress. The sixth man eventually was willing to rejoin the team, even if he still preferred a fresh start elsewhere. 24 hours ago – via Jared Weiss @ The Athletic

If that report is true and Brad spent the off-season patching things up, once Brogdon was then mentioned in Jrue trade talks, you had to make the deal.  Probably pushed Brad to offer the 2nd first to assure they’d get the deal done.