Are we in the Jrue Holiday market?

[Celtics2021]

From what I’ve read, there’s a ‘significant gap’ between what the Blazers want and what the Celtics are willing to offer.

Given the volume of interest, I don’t think we’ll see Holiday playing for the Celtics.

Where are you reading that?

I think Holiday is exactly the kind of player Stevens values. The only question is whether or not he doesn't feel like he's worth as much because White gives a lot of what Holiday does.

Probably this:

Adam Himmelsbach @AdamHimmelsbach
6 hours ago
The Celtics’ pursuit of Jrue Holiday remains alive, I’m told. But there’s still a significant gap.

I’m thinking the “gap” means Brad isn’t including TL or Al?

Really just TL.  Can’t imagine the Blazers would have any interest in Al.

Guess the gap was bridged.

[Donoghus]

Answer: YES

[Big333223]

In my mind this would be a fair deal:

Blazers: Williams III, Morris Sr, Covington, Celtics 2024 - 1st round pick, Warriors 2024 - 1st round pick (via Celtics), Raptors 2024 - 2nd round pick (via Clippers), 2024 Pacers - 2nd round pick (via Clippers), 2029 Clippers - 2nd round pick

Celtics: Holiday

Clippers: Brogdon

A 32 yr old Jrue better then Rob and Brogdon???  Yeah ok.  No thanks.

Co-signed. Jrue is not worth Brogdon & Rob, let alone with 2 1sts thrown in.

lol

And this seems to be the exact deal that's happening.

[droopdog7]

As I figured, trade has to include either Al or Rob.  I was on the fence for the trade, but if it had to be, then better to trade Rob than Al.

BTW, I have NO idea why my thread about the trade actually happening about an hour ago was deleted?!?

[ozgod]

Done deal!

The Portland Trail Blazers have agreed to trade All-Star guard Jrue Holiday to the Boston Celtics, elevating the Eastern Conference arms race, sources told ESPN on Sunday morning.

The Celtics are sending center Robert Williams III, guard Malcolm Brogdon, a 2024 first-round pick via Golden State and a 2029 first-round pick to the Blazers, sources said.

The Blazers are stacking assets in the wake of the Damian Lillard blockbuster to the Milwaukee Bucks on Wednesday, a deal that brought them Holiday with an intention to trade him to the league's highest bidder over the weekend.


https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38538353/sources-celtics-add-jrue-holiday-trade-blazers

[michigan adam]

Pretty aggressive move.  Holiday is certainly better than either brogdan or rw3, but both is a stretch.  Add 2 1sts in the new cba and that is expensive.  Holliday has played more games and more minutes than either of the guys included.  His defense and offense is better than brogdan, and he still shoots the 3 at a high level.  It leaves the c's a little heavy on guards and light on bigs. I would image they play a significant amount of 3 guard lineups now to play to their strength.  More jt at pf again...and they sign another big to fill the roster hole...

[ozgod]

I will miss Timelord but over his career he's only played the following games:

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Year Timelord GP
2018-19 32
2019-20 29
2020-21 52
2021-22 61
2022-23 35
Our depth at center will take a hit but given the way the cap works and the second apron the reality is that no team can have the number of max players we have and still have perfect depth everywhere. I'm ok with this deal.

[ozgod]

I just did a quick calculation of where we are at with our salary cap especially with regards to the second apron. Right now, we have an active roster cap of $181.4m, with dead cap money of $93k for a total cap hold of $181.5m. Add the $3.2m of cap holds and we are actually over the second apron which is at $182.8m. Assuming those cap holds eventually come off when players get renounced (Blake) or sign elsewhere (Kabengele) we would be just $1.3m under the 2nd apron, with the following exceptions:

- $5m taxpayer MLE
- $505k from Vonleh trade
- $1.8m from Justin Jackson trade
- $6.2m from GWill trade

It will be interesting to see how Brad fills that final roster spots with those financial constraints. Probably safe to say Andre Drummond's not walking through that door 



Personally I think they beg Blake to come back, even more so than they've already been begging, based on this article in the Globe:

Griffin played in just 41 of 82 regular-season games and averaged 4.1 points. He made just one appearance in the postseason, but his impact on the locker room, including Payton Pritchard and Grant Williams, left Stevens gushing.

“I’m not blowing smoke, it was as good as it gets,” Stevens said. “He was unbelievable when he played and even better when he didn’t. He has a fan for life from everybody in our organization. You know, if he decides to keep playing, he wants to come back out East, he knows we’re a phone call away.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/09/30/sports/sunday-basketball-notes/

[goCeltics]

if they were serious about Holiday they should have agreed to take Bullock in the Grant Williams trade, this trade would be way easier as we would have had a handy contract in Bullock for salary matching plus an extra pick to use. But no, The owners went cheap.

Before anyone posts that they opted out because of the Draft pick consequences of the 2nd apron, please note that that doesn't come into place this year.

I know the narrative that the owners are cheap is easy to pile on to but Bullock makes $10.5M and could not have been traded for Grant. Grant is a base year compensation contract so the max was $6.3M or about that.

They would have needed to add 2 minimum contracts, they might of actually find a use for there 10,000 2nd picks they owe

[goCeltics]

if they were serious about Holiday they should have agreed to take Bullock in the Grant Williams trade, this trade would be way easier as we would have had a handy contract in Bullock for salary matching plus an extra pick to use. But no, The owners went cheap.

Before anyone posts that they opted out because of the Draft pick consequences of the 2nd apron, please note that that doesn't come into place this year.

I know the narrative that the owners are cheap is easy to pile on to but Bullock makes $10.5M and could not have been traded for Grant. Grant is a base year compensation contract so the max was $6.3M or about that.

Plus, even if he could have been traded to us, he could not have been aggregated in another trade thereafter.

?

They would have needed to wait 2 months, the trade was done in July?