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Re: NFL 2023 Season
« Reply #255 on: November 06, 2023, 05:22:00 AM »

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I was amazed that McDaniels got another chance at head coaching after his unsuccessful Denver stint. It also kinda baffles me when people don't see what seems obvious to me: McDaniels is not a good head coach. Like, he should never get another NFL head coaching job. But he probably will. And he'll probably fail again.

I’m not surprised McDaniels got another shot.  It had been over a decade and he had continued success as a coordinator in the intermediary period — it was rational to suspect he might be more prepared for his second head coaching job than his first.  Didn’t work out that way, but also 1.5 years is about the mean stint with the Raiders over the past 20 years.

I think part of the problem with the Patriots coaching tree is that Belichek has made a lot of enemies around the league, and his assistants walk into a lot of hostile situations.  I’m a Denver fan, and McDaniels had no chance there — the fans hated the hire, and there were a lot of people in the organization who had continued loyalty to Shanahan.  It’s a cutthroat business, and the knives were out for McDaniels from Day 1 because of his Patriots affiliation.  Not sure what happened in Vegas, but the owner there has zero patience, so that didn’t help.

If you take Nate Jackson's word for it, McDaniels is perfectly fine making enemies on his own:
https://defector.com/the-problem-was-always-josh-mcdaniels

Further, this is just weird and absurd behaviour that you can't pin on Belichek:
https://twitter.com/jayglazer/status/1721217664390140012?s=46
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The big thing was last Thursday. There was this big airing of grievance(s) meeting, and players just unloaded on Josh McDaniels. From captain to captain... to player to player. And finally, Josh McDaniels actually had Antonio Pierce get up and speak on behalf of him and the coaches.

When Antonio Pierce got up there he said, "Look guys, we have to have our own culture, it has to be about culture here". He brought up the old Giants team that beat the Patriots—Josh McDaniels’s team—in the Super Bowl in the 2007 season. He said, "No matter who we played, we thought we could beat them. We had a game plan that we could beat them. We had to believe that, and that’s not here. We have to believe it here at the Raiders. We can beat anybody".

When he finishes up that speech, everybody thinks they’re great, except for Josh McDaniels. Josh McDaniels then goes over to [Pierce] and says, "Don’t ever talk about the Patriots like that". And then you really saw how divided that building got. That got up to Mark Davis, and I think Mark Davis looked at it and [went] "ok, I'm going to choose the guy who believes that we can win every week".
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Re: NFL 2023 Season
« Reply #256 on: November 06, 2023, 10:36:10 AM »

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That whole Josh McDaniels getting on Antonio Pierce over the Patriots seems hilarious but unnecessary. Josh coached with the Raiders. Appreciate the defense, but wrong mindset.


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Re: NFL 2023 Season
« Reply #257 on: November 06, 2023, 07:35:14 PM »

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Another one bites the dust- Giants QB Daniel Jones out for the season with torn ACL.

Feel like this season a lot of valuable/key players have suffered some type of season-ending injury.


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Re: NFL 2023 Season
« Reply #258 on: November 08, 2023, 09:05:58 PM »

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Ravens can basically clinch the AFC North in a 5-day span as they play the Browns Sunday and Bengals the following Thursday. Both those games are in Baltimore and if they win both games, they'd be up 2-0 on each and would have at least 2 less losses than both of them (so basically at least a 3-game lead on both). I don't think they win both, but they certainly could.

Ravens are approaching some historic levels of play (even with the 2 losses). They have the 5th longest streak in the SB era of leading entering the 4th quarter (currently at 9).  Through 9 games, the Ravens DVOA (defense-adjusted value over average) is the 3rd best ever through 9 games. The only 2 teams better were the 91 SB winning Washington squad and 07 Patriots (the 16-0 team).  They have a point differential of +115, which is 35 better than the Bills (who are 2nd).  They've scored 27 offensive TD's and their defense has only given up 9 TD's. The schedule gets very difficult down the stretch as they have the hardest remaining schedule (Rams are the only team not currently .500 or better), but it may not matter if they keep crushing division leaders like the Lions and Seahawks.

All that said, it really doesn't matter what they do in the regular season. Lamar, in particular, has to win in the playoffs. Will he end up like Peyton Manning, who also had a rough start to his playoff career, or is he just going to end up as a good regular season, but poor post season player.  Should be an interesting end to the season for the Purple and Black.
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Re: NFL 2023 Offseason Thread
« Reply #259 on: November 12, 2023, 01:24:02 PM »

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About as good a start the Ravens could have.
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Re: Re: NFL 2023 Offseason Thread
« Reply #260 on: November 12, 2023, 04:15:23 PM »

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Boyd drop TD pass that could win it, but Cincy kick game tying FG..Houston then went down and hit game winning FG 😢😢😢😢
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Re: NFL 2023 Season
« Reply #261 on: November 12, 2023, 04:20:16 PM »

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This might end up being a horrendous loss for the Ravens if CLE wins this now
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Re: Re: NFL 2023 Offseason Thread
« Reply #262 on: November 12, 2023, 04:22:23 PM »

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Boyd drop TD pass that could win it, but Cincy kick game tying FG..Houston then went down and hit game winning FG 😢😢😢😢

Yeah that's a brutal loss for the Bengals. On the flip side, the Texans may be for real. Could definitely be a playoff team this season
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Re: NFL 2023 Season
« Reply #263 on: November 12, 2023, 04:25:00 PM »

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This might end up being a horrendous loss for the Ravens if CLE wins this now

Yep. Massive choke from the Ravens. Brutal loss for the Bengals as well.

Chiefs and Dolphins on the bye week looking like big winners so far. JAX also lost.
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Re: NFL 2023 Season
« Reply #264 on: November 12, 2023, 04:25:38 PM »

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Yeah. Bad loss for Ravens, defense failed
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Re: NFL 2023 Season
« Reply #265 on: November 12, 2023, 04:26:15 PM »

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This might end up being a horrendous loss for the Ravens if CLE wins this now

Yep. Massive choke from the Ravens. Brutal loss for the Bengals as well.

Chiefs and Dolphins on the bye week looking like big winners so far. JAX also lost.

Wow incredible choke by the ravens. They have had far too many of these under Harbaugh. Hard to think he doesn’t play a role in it happening over and over

Re: NFL 2023 Season
« Reply #266 on: November 12, 2023, 04:35:16 PM »

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This might end up being a horrendous loss for the Ravens if CLE wins this now

Yep. Massive choke from the Ravens. Brutal loss for the Bengals as well.

Chiefs and Dolphins on the bye week looking like big winners so far. JAX also lost.

Wow incredible choke by the ravens. They have had far too many of these under Harbaugh. Hard to think he doesn’t play a role in it happening over and over

Yes - I thought it was over.  Nice comeback by the Browns.

Re: NFL 2023 Season
« Reply #267 on: November 12, 2023, 05:03:58 PM »

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This might end up being a horrendous loss for the Ravens if CLE wins this now

Yep. Massive choke from the Ravens. Brutal loss for the Bengals as well.

Chiefs and Dolphins on the bye week looking like big winners so far. JAX also lost.

Wow incredible choke by the ravens. They have had far too many of these under Harbaugh. Hard to think he doesn’t play a role in it happening over and over

Yes - I thought it was over.  Nice comeback by the Browns.

The Browns are sneaky-good. If Watson somehow stays healthy and mentally sharp they will be very dangerous.

And then there are the New York Giants. Man, they are brutal. DeVito looks like a third-rate college QB. And their line is as bad as the Pats.'

EDIT: OMG they just ran a wilcat play lolol

Re: NFL 2023 Season
« Reply #268 on: November 12, 2023, 05:07:47 PM »

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I was dead wrong on the Texans.  I thought they were gonna be arguably the worst team in the league this season and now they're sitting there at 5-4 and only a game behind Jacksonville.  Stroud is ballin' .

Looking like Carolina may have dropped the ball. 


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Re: NFL 2023 Season
« Reply #269 on: November 12, 2023, 07:00:33 PM »

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Dak Prescott's "YEAH, HERE WE GO" calls before the play are so annoying. Jesus...

I'd love to see this guy do it in a game they are getting blown out, see if he's still in the mood  ::)
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