NFL 2023 Season

[Donoghus]

Trevor Lawrence has been an NFL disappointment, right?  He's above-average, but he's not generational like he was described as.  He was supposed to be the most can't miss QB prospect since Andrew Luck.

Yeah, he's def been a disappointment.

I also wonder why Andrew Luck was can't miss. I don't remember him winning one big game on the big stage. Regular season wins, sure.

He was pretty off the charts in college and led Stanford to a couple of BCS bowls.  He also had the proto-typical build and the pedigree of being the son of an NFL QB.    There was a ton to like about him coming out of Stanford.

[Roy H.]

Trevor Lawrence has been an NFL disappointment, right?  He's above-average, but he's not generational like he was described as.  He was supposed to be the most can't miss QB prospect since Andrew Luck.

Yeah, he's def been a disappointment.

I also wonder why Andrew Luck was can't miss. I don't remember him winning one big game on the big stage. Regular season wins, sure.

He was pretty off the charts in college and led Stanford to a couple of BCS bowls.  He also had the proto-typical build and the pedigree of being the son of an NFL QB.    There was a ton to like about him coming out of Stanford.

Luck also saw his career ended by injuries, which makes a difference in how we assess guys.  He had a nearly 4800 yard / 40 TD season, missed a season and was hampered in two others, and then came back with a 4600 / 39 TD season.  His career record was 55-33, which is pretty good for a guy going to the worst team in the league.  Four Pro Bowls in four healthy seasons, etc.

I think he's as close to a "prototype" QB as we've seen since Peyton Manning.  He didn't have the best career, but he checked more boxes than maybe anybody else.

[green_bballers13]

Trevor Lawrence has been an NFL disappointment, right?  He's above-average, but he's not generational like he was described as.  He was supposed to be the most can't miss QB prospect since Andrew Luck.

Yeah, he's def been a disappointment.

I also wonder why Andrew Luck was can't miss. I don't remember him winning one big game on the big stage. Regular season wins, sure.

He was pretty off the charts in college and led Stanford to a couple of BCS bowls.  He also had the proto-typical build and the pedigree of being the son of an NFL QB.    There was a ton to like about him coming out of Stanford.

Luck also saw his career ended by injuries, which makes a difference in how we assess guys.  He had a nearly 4800 yard / 40 TD season, missed a season and was hampered in two others, and then came back with a 4600 / 39 TD season.  His career record was 55-33, which is pretty good for a guy going to the worst team in the league.  Four Pro Bowls in four healthy seasons, etc.

I think he's as close to a "prototype" QB as we've seen since Peyton Manning.  He didn't have the best career, but he checked more boxes than maybe anybody else.

No doubt, Luck looked good at the time, but he will be remembered as a footnote in NFL history. I think Burrow has been a better pro in less time, even with his injuries. He also was better than Luck in college.

[Celtics2021]

Trevor Lawrence has been an NFL disappointment, right?  He's above-average, but he's not generational like he was described as.  He was supposed to be the most can't miss QB prospect since Andrew Luck.

Yeah, he's def been a disappointment.

I also wonder why Andrew Luck was can't miss. I don't remember him winning one big game on the big stage. Regular season wins, sure.

He was pretty off the charts in college and led Stanford to a couple of BCS bowls.  He also had the proto-typical build and the pedigree of being the son of an NFL QB.    There was a ton to like about him coming out of Stanford.

Luck also saw his career ended by injuries, which makes a difference in how we assess guys.  He had a nearly 4800 yard / 40 TD season, missed a season and was hampered in two others, and then came back with a 4600 / 39 TD season.  His career record was 55-33, which is pretty good for a guy going to the worst team in the league.  Four Pro Bowls in four healthy seasons, etc.

I think he's as close to a "prototype" QB as we've seen since Peyton Manning.  He didn't have the best career, but he checked more boxes than maybe anybody else.

No doubt, Luck looked good at the time, but he will be remembered as a footnote in NFL history. I think Burrow has been a better pro in less time, even with his injuries. He also was better than Luck in college.

Burrow was not better than Luck in college.  Now you’re just being silly.

[green_bballers13]

Trevor Lawrence has been an NFL disappointment, right?  He's above-average, but he's not generational like he was described as.  He was supposed to be the most can't miss QB prospect since Andrew Luck.

Yeah, he's def been a disappointment.

I also wonder why Andrew Luck was can't miss. I don't remember him winning one big game on the big stage. Regular season wins, sure.

He was pretty off the charts in college and led Stanford to a couple of BCS bowls.  He also had the proto-typical build and the pedigree of being the son of an NFL QB.    There was a ton to like about him coming out of Stanford.

Luck also saw his career ended by injuries, which makes a difference in how we assess guys.  He had a nearly 4800 yard / 40 TD season, missed a season and was hampered in two others, and then came back with a 4600 / 39 TD season.  His career record was 55-33, which is pretty good for a guy going to the worst team in the league.  Four Pro Bowls in four healthy seasons, etc.

I think he's as close to a "prototype" QB as we've seen since Peyton Manning.  He didn't have the best career, but he checked more boxes than maybe anybody else.

No doubt, Luck looked good at the time, but he will be remembered as a footnote in NFL history. I think Burrow has been a better pro in less time, even with his injuries. He also was better than Luck in college.

Burrow was not better than Luck in college.  Now you’re just being silly.

Luck was better from beginning to end. I was thinking about their last year in college, when Burrow had the best season ever.

[Donoghus]

Trevor Lawrence has been an NFL disappointment, right?  He's above-average, but he's not generational like he was described as.  He was supposed to be the most can't miss QB prospect since Andrew Luck.

Yeah, he's def been a disappointment.

I also wonder why Andrew Luck was can't miss. I don't remember him winning one big game on the big stage. Regular season wins, sure.

He was pretty off the charts in college and led Stanford to a couple of BCS bowls.  He also had the proto-typical build and the pedigree of being the son of an NFL QB.    There was a ton to like about him coming out of Stanford.

Luck also saw his career ended by injuries, which makes a difference in how we assess guys.  He had a nearly 4800 yard / 40 TD season, missed a season and was hampered in two others, and then came back with a 4600 / 39 TD season.  His career record was 55-33, which is pretty good for a guy going to the worst team in the league.  Four Pro Bowls in four healthy seasons, etc.

I think he's as close to a "prototype" QB as we've seen since Peyton Manning.  He didn't have the best career, but he checked more boxes than maybe anybody else.

No doubt, Luck looked good at the time, but he will be remembered as a footnote in NFL history. I think Burrow has been a better pro in less time, even with his injuries. He also was better than Luck in college.

Burrow was not better than Luck in college.  Now you’re just being silly.

Luck was better from beginning to end. I was thinking about their last year in college, when Burrow had the best season ever.

Burrow had the better senior year but, as a whole, Luck had a better college career.

[Celtics2021]

Trevor Lawrence has been an NFL disappointment, right?  He's above-average, but he's not generational like he was described as.  He was supposed to be the most can't miss QB prospect since Andrew Luck.

Yeah, he's def been a disappointment.

I also wonder why Andrew Luck was can't miss. I don't remember him winning one big game on the big stage. Regular season wins, sure.

He was pretty off the charts in college and led Stanford to a couple of BCS bowls.  He also had the proto-typical build and the pedigree of being the son of an NFL QB.    There was a ton to like about him coming out of Stanford.

Luck also saw his career ended by injuries, which makes a difference in how we assess guys.  He had a nearly 4800 yard / 40 TD season, missed a season and was hampered in two others, and then came back with a 4600 / 39 TD season.  His career record was 55-33, which is pretty good for a guy going to the worst team in the league.  Four Pro Bowls in four healthy seasons, etc.

I think he's as close to a "prototype" QB as we've seen since Peyton Manning.  He didn't have the best career, but he checked more boxes than maybe anybody else.

No doubt, Luck looked good at the time, but he will be remembered as a footnote in NFL history. I think Burrow has been a better pro in less time, even with his injuries. He also was better than Luck in college.

Burrow was not better than Luck in college.  Now you’re just being silly.

Luck was better from beginning to end. I was thinking about their last year in college, when Burrow had the best season ever.

Burrow had the better senior year but, as a whole, Luck had a better college career.

Burrow was also a 5th year senior, by which time Luck was in the pros.  Burrow also had Justin Jefferson and Jamarr Chase to throw to, which was a bit different than Luck’s receiving corps.

[green_bballers13]

Trevor Lawrence has been an NFL disappointment, right?  He's above-average, but he's not generational like he was described as.  He was supposed to be the most can't miss QB prospect since Andrew Luck.

Yeah, he's def been a disappointment.

I also wonder why Andrew Luck was can't miss. I don't remember him winning one big game on the big stage. Regular season wins, sure.

He was pretty off the charts in college and led Stanford to a couple of BCS bowls.  He also had the proto-typical build and the pedigree of being the son of an NFL QB.    There was a ton to like about him coming out of Stanford.

Luck also saw his career ended by injuries, which makes a difference in how we assess guys.  He had a nearly 4800 yard / 40 TD season, missed a season and was hampered in two others, and then came back with a 4600 / 39 TD season.  His career record was 55-33, which is pretty good for a guy going to the worst team in the league.  Four Pro Bowls in four healthy seasons, etc.

I think he's as close to a "prototype" QB as we've seen since Peyton Manning.  He didn't have the best career, but he checked more boxes than maybe anybody else.

No doubt, Luck looked good at the time, but he will be remembered as a footnote in NFL history. I think Burrow has been a better pro in less time, even with his injuries. He also was better than Luck in college.

Burrow was not better than Luck in college.  Now you’re just being silly.

Luck was better from beginning to end. I was thinking about their last year in college, when Burrow had the best season ever.

Burrow had the better senior year but, as a whole, Luck had a better college career.

Burrow was also a 5th year senior, by which time Luck was in the pros.  Burrow also had Justin Jefferson and Jamarr Chase to throw to, which was a bit different than Luck’s receiving corps.

No doubt. Andrew Luck had a great college career, which was better than Burrow's. He's an all time great college quarterback.

The only reason I made a comment is because I think he was overrated in the pros, yet was always in the conversation for best qbs. His stats weren't that great: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LuckAn00.htm

He definitely had a rough go at it with a tough situation. I'd say he was a good, not great quarterback.

Burrow had a great team and one excellent year in college. In Cincy, he has good receivers and that's about it, in my opinion. I was very impressed by his ability to bring the Bengals to the SB. If winning big games is the ultimate metric, Burrow has Luck with two years to spare. I think Burrow will win a Super Bowl, and never felt that way with Luck.

[Moranis]

Trevor Lawrence has been an NFL disappointment, right?  He's above-average, but he's not generational like he was described as.  He was supposed to be the most can't miss QB prospect since Andrew Luck.

Yeah, he's def been a disappointment.

I also wonder why Andrew Luck was can't miss. I don't remember him winning one big game on the big stage. Regular season wins, sure.

He was pretty off the charts in college and led Stanford to a couple of BCS bowls.  He also had the proto-typical build and the pedigree of being the son of an NFL QB.    There was a ton to like about him coming out of Stanford.

Luck also saw his career ended by injuries, which makes a difference in how we assess guys.  He had a nearly 4800 yard / 40 TD season, missed a season and was hampered in two others, and then came back with a 4600 / 39 TD season.  His career record was 55-33, which is pretty good for a guy going to the worst team in the league.  Four Pro Bowls in four healthy seasons, etc.

I think he's as close to a "prototype" QB as we've seen since Peyton Manning.  He didn't have the best career, but he checked more boxes than maybe anybody else.

No doubt, Luck looked good at the time, but he will be remembered as a footnote in NFL history. I think Burrow has been a better pro in less time, even with his injuries. He also was better than Luck in college.

Burrow was not better than Luck in college.  Now you’re just being silly.

Luck was better from beginning to end. I was thinking about their last year in college, when Burrow had the best season ever.

Burrow had the better senior year but, as a whole, Luck had a better college career.

Burrow was also a 5th year senior, by which time Luck was in the pros.  Burrow also had Justin Jefferson and Jamarr Chase to throw to, which was a bit different than Luck’s receiving corps.

Zach Ertz doesn't do it for you?  Or Doug Baldwin? Or Coby Fleener? Had a couple other guys make the NFL as well, but yeah a difference between talent.

Stanford actually went 12-2 and won the Rose Bowl after Luck and went 11-3 and lost the Rose Bowl the year after that. So they didn't actually fall off much after Luck left.

LSU went 5-5 and then 6-7 and Orgeron got fired the 2 years after Burrow (though Jefferson,  Chase, and Edwards-Helaire all left as well).

[Birdman]

Black Monday tomorrow for some NFL coaches, who’s going be fired?? Already in season :

Carolina fired Reich
Chargers fired Staley
Raiders fired McDaniels
Falcons fired Smith
Commanders fired Rivera
Titans fired Vrabel

Vrabel getting fired surprise me, thought they give him one more year especially with the new QB who look pretty good

[Moranis]

Trevor Lawrence has been an NFL disappointment, right?  He's above-average, but he's not generational like he was described as.  He was supposed to be the most can't miss QB prospect since Andrew Luck.

Yeah, he's def been a disappointment.

I also wonder why Andrew Luck was can't miss. I don't remember him winning one big game on the big stage. Regular season wins, sure.

He was pretty off the charts in college and led Stanford to a couple of BCS bowls.  He also had the proto-typical build and the pedigree of being the son of an NFL QB.    There was a ton to like about him coming out of Stanford.

Luck also saw his career ended by injuries, which makes a difference in how we assess guys.  He had a nearly 4800 yard / 40 TD season, missed a season and was hampered in two others, and then came back with a 4600 / 39 TD season.  His career record was 55-33, which is pretty good for a guy going to the worst team in the league.  Four Pro Bowls in four healthy seasons, etc.

I think he's as close to a "prototype" QB as we've seen since Peyton Manning.  He didn't have the best career, but he checked more boxes than maybe anybody else.

No doubt, Luck looked good at the time, but he will be remembered as a footnote in NFL history. I think Burrow has been a better pro in less time, even with his injuries. He also was better than Luck in college.

Burrow was not better than Luck in college.  Now you’re just being silly.

Luck was better from beginning to end. I was thinking about their last year in college, when Burrow had the best season ever.

Burrow had the better senior year but, as a whole, Luck had a better college career.

Burrow was also a 5th year senior, by which time Luck was in the pros.  Burrow also had Justin Jefferson and Jamarr Chase to throw to, which was a bit different than Luck’s receiving corps.

No doubt. Andrew Luck had a great college career, which was better than Burrow's. He's an all time great college quarterback.

The only reason I made a comment is because I think he was overrated in the pros, yet was always in the conversation for best qbs. His stats weren't that great: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LuckAn00.htm

He definitely had a rough go at it with a tough situation. I'd say he was a good, not great quarterback.

Burrow had a great team and one excellent year in college. In Cincy, he has good receivers and that's about it, in my opinion. I was very impressed by his ability to bring the Bengals to the SB. If winning big games is the ultimate metric, Burrow has Luck with two years to spare. I think Burrow will win a Super Bowl, and never felt that way with Luck.

Jake Browning went 4-3 this year while Burrow was 5-5. You may be denigrating the Bengals overall talent a bit.

[SparzWizard]

Black Monday tomorrow for some NFL coaches, who’s going be fired?? Already in season :

Carolina fired Reich
Chargers fired Staley
Raiders fired McDaniels
Falcons fired Smith
Commanders fired Rivera
Titans fired Vrabel

Vrabel getting fired surprise me, thought they give him one more year especially with the new QB who look pretty good

Just further validates that the Belichick coaching tree is not good. Arthur Smith, Josh McDaniels, and Mike Vrabel gone.

[SparzWizard]

Looks like Atlanta Falcons emerges as favorites to land Bill Belichick

[Donoghus]

Looks like Atlanta Falcons emerges as favorites to land Bill Belichick

Not according to Draftkings.

LAC +200
NE +300
ATL +400
Not head coach of any team +600
WAS +650
TEN +800
Any other NFL team +1000
CAR +1500
NYG +2200
NO +2500
NYJ +3500

[Goldstar88]

In an interview posted by the team Tuesday, controlling owner (Titans) Amy Adams Strunk was asked if she considered trading the coach (Vrabel)  instead of firing him.

"Yes, there was. But there's a bit of misconception about a coach's contract, say versus a player's contract. A coach's contract, you can't trade them unless they are a willing partner to that trade," she said. "So, yes, we thought about it but at the end of the day with league rules the way they are it would have maybe put us back three weeks and you know, to get the right head coach I was just not willing to go to the back of the line and take a chance of missing out on someone we really wanted."