Patriots 2023 Season

[Goldstar88]

It sounds like Bailey Zappe may start this Sunday. I'm sorry, but I will have zero interest in watching the Patriots again this season if that's the case. At least with Mac Jones, there's still a possible future. With Zappe starting, there's a zero percent chance he ever plays again for the Patriots after this season.

It doesn't matter who starts between the two. This team was and is going nowhere as long as Belichick is running the helm.

Give me Grier or Cunningham to start, just for the giggles and  see what they're made of

Mac jones does not have a future as a starting qb imo.

You never know when someone bounces back with a second chance elsewhere, but he has no future in New England.  He needs to go somewhere else as a backup for a couple of seasons — he’s broken for now.

Mac had a good year his first season in the league. So what’s changed since then… hmmm
Offense looked the same when Zappe went into the game. There’s a reason for that.

[Donoghus]

I read this a couple of months ago and its stuck with me. 

Has anyone remembered a QB that has regressed as much as Mac has from his rookie year to year 3 that wasn't impacted by injuries?

I'm having a hard time coming up with one. It's pretty wild to consider.

[Celtics2021]

I read this a couple of months ago and its stuck with me. 

Has anyone remembered a QB that has regressed as much as Mac has from his rookie year to year 3 that wasn't impacted by injuries?

I'm having a hard time coming up with one. It's pretty wild to consider.

Mark Sanchez is the closest I can come, although he was a year 2-4 regression. 

[kraidstar]

I read this a couple of months ago and its stuck with me. 

Has anyone remembered a QB that has regressed as much as Mac has from his rookie year to year 3 that wasn't impacted by injuries?

I'm having a hard time coming up with one. It's pretty wild to consider.

Zappe has regressed too. Last year he looked like an NFL player. This year he can't complete a pass.

The offense was abysmal in Brady's final year here. He leaves then all of a sudden he looks good again.

The talent level has nosedived for 6 years straight. We never replaced Gronk or Edelman. Even in the twilight of their careers they were 10x better than the current guys. This roster is wretched and will sink any QB who comes here.

[Goldstar88]

I read this a couple of months ago and its stuck with me. 

Has anyone remembered a QB that has regressed as much as Mac has from his rookie year to year 3 that wasn't impacted by injuries?

I'm having a hard time coming up with one. It's pretty wild to consider.

Zappe has regressed too. Last year he looked like an NFL player. This year he can't complete a pass.

The offense was abysmal in Brady's final year here. He leaves then all of a sudden he looks good again.

The talent level has nosedived for 6 years straight. We never replaced Gronk or Edelman. Even in the twilight of their careers they were 10x better than the current guys. This roster is wretched and will sink any QB who comes here.

Pretty much the bottom line. Poor drafting and personnel management over many years has put this team in a huge hole.

[Donoghus]

I read this a couple of months ago and its stuck with me. 

Has anyone remembered a QB that has regressed as much as Mac has from his rookie year to year 3 that wasn't impacted by injuries?

I'm having a hard time coming up with one. It's pretty wild to consider.

Mark Sanchez is the closest I can come, although he was a year 2-4 regression.

That's a good one.

[Moranis]

I read this a couple of months ago and its stuck with me. 

Has anyone remembered a QB that has regressed as much as Mac has from his rookie year to year 3 that wasn't impacted by injuries?

I'm having a hard time coming up with one. It's pretty wild to consider.

Mark Sanchez is the closest I can come, although he was a year 2-4 regression.

That's a good one.

Not really. Sanchez's worst statistical year was his rookie year (that was also his worst playoff year- he only had 2 though). His best QB rating was year 3.  Sanchez didn't really regress, he just wasn't any good at any point.

[johnnygreen]

I read this a couple of months ago and its stuck with me. 

Has anyone remembered a QB that has regressed as much as Mac has from his rookie year to year 3 that wasn't impacted by injuries?

I'm having a hard time coming up with one. It's pretty wild to consider.

I don't get the Mac Jones hate. Bill Belichick has set him up to fail, plain and simple. Has any 3rd year QB had 3 different offensive coordinators in 3 years, an offensive line that can't pass block, have their best WR leave in free agency, and have a GM that can't draft WR's? Not to mention the toll on a team that has drafted so poorly in at least 5 years. BTW, how many teams have successfully switched offensive tackle positions? This happened in Mac's second season and the line hasn't been good since. I almost forgot, isn't the team on their 3rd offensive line coach in 3 years too?

Look at Mac's peers just from Alabama. Jalen Hurts and Tua didn't light the world on fire when they first started. Then each of those teams traded for an elite receiver and also used a top 10 pick to draft another elite receiver. Suddenly those guys went from average at best QB's to MVP caliber simply due to the massive upgrade in WR personnel. For some reason, Bill Belichick can't grasp this concept.

Is Mac broken now, yes. I'd argue that any QB in the league would not have survived what Mac has gone through. The complete incompetence in the front office and coaching staff needs to go. You just can't fire Bill, since he has hired virtually everyone involved in this mess. This needs to be a top to bottom overhaul.

[Donoghus]

I read this a couple of months ago and its stuck with me. 

Has anyone remembered a QB that has regressed as much as Mac has from his rookie year to year 3 that wasn't impacted by injuries?

I'm having a hard time coming up with one. It's pretty wild to consider.

I don't get the Mac Jones hate. Bill Belichick has set him up to fail, plain and simple. Has any 3rd year QB had 3 different offensive coordinators in 3 years, an offensive line that can't pass block, have their best WR leave in free agency, and have a GM that can't draft WR's? Not to mention the toll on a team that has drafted so poorly in at least 5 years. BTW, how many teams have successfully switched offensive tackle positions? This happened in Mac's second season and the line hasn't been good since. I almost forgot, isn't the team on their 3rd offensive line coach in 3 years too?

Look at Mac's peers just from Alabama. Jalen Hurts and Tua didn't light the world on fire when they first started. Then each of those teams traded for an elite receiver and also used a top 10 pick to draft another elite receiver. Suddenly those guys went from average at best QB's to MVP caliber simply due to the massive upgrade in WR personnel. For some reason, Bill Belichick can't grasp this concept.

Is Mac broken now, yes. I'd argue that any QB in the league would not have survived what Mac has gone through. The complete incompetence in the front office and coaching staff needs to go. You just can't fire Bill, since he has hired virtually everyone involved in this mess. This needs to be a top to bottom overhaul.

Not hating him but he's definitely regressed.  Now how much of it is on him versus the coaching staff/personnel is debatable but its certainly apparent that he's taken a giant step back from his rookie year and the odd thing is that you really can't chalk up this regression to injuries.

[johnnygreen]

I read this a couple of months ago and its stuck with me. 

Has anyone remembered a QB that has regressed as much as Mac has from his rookie year to year 3 that wasn't impacted by injuries?

I'm having a hard time coming up with one. It's pretty wild to consider.

I don't get the Mac Jones hate. Bill Belichick has set him up to fail, plain and simple. Has any 3rd year QB had 3 different offensive coordinators in 3 years, an offensive line that can't pass block, have their best WR leave in free agency, and have a GM that can't draft WR's? Not to mention the toll on a team that has drafted so poorly in at least 5 years. BTW, how many teams have successfully switched offensive tackle positions? This happened in Mac's second season and the line hasn't been good since. I almost forgot, isn't the team on their 3rd offensive line coach in 3 years too?

Look at Mac's peers just from Alabama. Jalen Hurts and Tua didn't light the world on fire when they first started. Then each of those teams traded for an elite receiver and also used a top 10 pick to draft another elite receiver. Suddenly those guys went from average at best QB's to MVP caliber simply due to the massive upgrade in WR personnel. For some reason, Bill Belichick can't grasp this concept.

Is Mac broken now, yes. I'd argue that any QB in the league would not have survived what Mac has gone through. The complete incompetence in the front office and coaching staff needs to go. You just can't fire Bill, since he has hired virtually everyone involved in this mess. This needs to be a top to bottom overhaul.

Not hating him but he's definitely regressed.  Now how much of it is on him versus the coaching staff/personnel is debatable but its certainly apparent that he's taken a giant step back from his rookie year and the odd thing is that you really can't chalk up this regression to injuries.

His injury may not be physical, but what I highlighted has certainly contributed to damaging him mentally. Sometimes that is far worse, as there is no simple fix, especially since the damage took so long to accumulate.

[Donoghus]

I read this a couple of months ago and its stuck with me. 

Has anyone remembered a QB that has regressed as much as Mac has from his rookie year to year 3 that wasn't impacted by injuries?

I'm having a hard time coming up with one. It's pretty wild to consider.

I don't get the Mac Jones hate. Bill Belichick has set him up to fail, plain and simple. Has any 3rd year QB had 3 different offensive coordinators in 3 years, an offensive line that can't pass block, have their best WR leave in free agency, and have a GM that can't draft WR's? Not to mention the toll on a team that has drafted so poorly in at least 5 years. BTW, how many teams have successfully switched offensive tackle positions? This happened in Mac's second season and the line hasn't been good since. I almost forgot, isn't the team on their 3rd offensive line coach in 3 years too?

Look at Mac's peers just from Alabama. Jalen Hurts and Tua didn't light the world on fire when they first started. Then each of those teams traded for an elite receiver and also used a top 10 pick to draft another elite receiver. Suddenly those guys went from average at best QB's to MVP caliber simply due to the massive upgrade in WR personnel. For some reason, Bill Belichick can't grasp this concept.

Is Mac broken now, yes. I'd argue that any QB in the league would not have survived what Mac has gone through. The complete incompetence in the front office and coaching staff needs to go. You just can't fire Bill, since he has hired virtually everyone involved in this mess. This needs to be a top to bottom overhaul.

Not hating him but he's definitely regressed.  Now how much of it is on him versus the coaching staff/personnel is debatable but its certainly apparent that he's taken a giant step back from his rookie year and the odd thing is that you really can't chalk up this regression to injuries.

His injury may not be physical, but what I highlighted has certainly contributed to damaging him mentally. Sometimes that is far worse, as there is no simple fix, especially since the damage took so long to accumulate.

At least you're not pointing to some singular game played under awful weather conditions his rookie year as the root of his downfall.

[Goldstar88]

I read this a couple of months ago and its stuck with me. 

Has anyone remembered a QB that has regressed as much as Mac has from his rookie year to year 3 that wasn't impacted by injuries?

I'm having a hard time coming up with one. It's pretty wild to consider.

I don't get the Mac Jones hate. Bill Belichick has set him up to fail, plain and simple. Has any 3rd year QB had 3 different offensive coordinators in 3 years, an offensive line that can't pass block, have their best WR leave in free agency, and have a GM that can't draft WR's? Not to mention the toll on a team that has drafted so poorly in at least 5 years. BTW, how many teams have successfully switched offensive tackle positions? This happened in Mac's second season and the line hasn't been good since. I almost forgot, isn't the team on their 3rd offensive line coach in 3 years too?

Look at Mac's peers just from Alabama. Jalen Hurts and Tua didn't light the world on fire when they first started. Then each of those teams traded for an elite receiver and also used a top 10 pick to draft another elite receiver. Suddenly those guys went from average at best QB's to MVP caliber simply due to the massive upgrade in WR personnel. For some reason, Bill Belichick can't grasp this concept.

Is Mac broken now, yes. I'd argue that any QB in the league would not have survived what Mac has gone through. The complete incompetence in the front office and coaching staff needs to go. You just can't fire Bill, since he has hired virtually everyone involved in this mess. This needs to be a top to bottom overhaul.

Get outta here with your reason and logic! 

TP

[Roy H.]

I read this a couple of months ago and its stuck with me. 

Has anyone remembered a QB that has regressed as much as Mac has from his rookie year to year 3 that wasn't impacted by injuries?

I'm having a hard time coming up with one. It's pretty wild to consider.

I don't get the Mac Jones hate. Bill Belichick has set him up to fail, plain and simple. Has any 3rd year QB had 3 different offensive coordinators in 3 years, an offensive line that can't pass block, have their best WR leave in free agency, and have a GM that can't draft WR's? Not to mention the toll on a team that has drafted so poorly in at least 5 years. BTW, how many teams have successfully switched offensive tackle positions? This happened in Mac's second season and the line hasn't been good since. I almost forgot, isn't the team on their 3rd offensive line coach in 3 years too?

Look at Mac's peers just from Alabama. Jalen Hurts and Tua didn't light the world on fire when they first started. Then each of those teams traded for an elite receiver and also used a top 10 pick to draft another elite receiver. Suddenly those guys went from average at best QB's to MVP caliber simply due to the massive upgrade in WR personnel. For some reason, Bill Belichick can't grasp this concept.

Is Mac broken now, yes. I'd argue that any QB in the league would not have survived what Mac has gone through. The complete incompetence in the front office and coaching staff needs to go. You just can't fire Bill, since he has hired virtually everyone involved in this mess. This needs to be a top to bottom overhaul.

Get outta here with your reason and logic! 

TP

There's plenty of blame to go around, but how many times has Mac thrown telegraphed balls directly to defenders?

[kraidstar]

I read this a couple of months ago and its stuck with me. 

Has anyone remembered a QB that has regressed as much as Mac has from his rookie year to year 3 that wasn't impacted by injuries?

I'm having a hard time coming up with one. It's pretty wild to consider.

I don't get the Mac Jones hate. Bill Belichick has set him up to fail, plain and simple. Has any 3rd year QB had 3 different offensive coordinators in 3 years, an offensive line that can't pass block, have their best WR leave in free agency, and have a GM that can't draft WR's? Not to mention the toll on a team that has drafted so poorly in at least 5 years. BTW, how many teams have successfully switched offensive tackle positions? This happened in Mac's second season and the line hasn't been good since. I almost forgot, isn't the team on their 3rd offensive line coach in 3 years too?

Look at Mac's peers just from Alabama. Jalen Hurts and Tua didn't light the world on fire when they first started. Then each of those teams traded for an elite receiver and also used a top 10 pick to draft another elite receiver. Suddenly those guys went from average at best QB's to MVP caliber simply due to the massive upgrade in WR personnel. For some reason, Bill Belichick can't grasp this concept.

Is Mac broken now, yes. I'd argue that any QB in the league would not have survived what Mac has gone through. The complete incompetence in the front office and coaching staff needs to go. You just can't fire Bill, since he has hired virtually everyone involved in this mess. This needs to be a top to bottom overhaul.

Get outta here with your reason and logic! 

TP

There's plenty of blame to go around, but how many times has Mac thrown telegraphed balls directly to defenders?

Sure. But he's got the yips at this point. He's expecting to get hit. Afraid to step into throws due to either taking a sack or getting his arm raked for a fumble.

Not seeing guys on the rare occasion they're open because,  in tge back of his mind, he doesn't exoect then to be.

Then panicking when he DOES get a wide open guy that he sees and botches the throw.

He is envisioning failure and not success - due to his past failures. He's in fight-or-flight mode all the time. Would another QB face the same fate? I think most would. We saw it happen with Bledsoe late in his career. I just hope for Mac's sake he gets another chance to turn it around.

[Moranis]

I read this a couple of months ago and its stuck with me. 

Has anyone remembered a QB that has regressed as much as Mac has from his rookie year to year 3 that wasn't impacted by injuries?

I'm having a hard time coming up with one. It's pretty wild to consider.

I don't get the Mac Jones hate. Bill Belichick has set him up to fail, plain and simple. Has any 3rd year QB had 3 different offensive coordinators in 3 years, an offensive line that can't pass block, have their best WR leave in free agency, and have a GM that can't draft WR's? Not to mention the toll on a team that has drafted so poorly in at least 5 years. BTW, how many teams have successfully switched offensive tackle positions? This happened in Mac's second season and the line hasn't been good since. I almost forgot, isn't the team on their 3rd offensive line coach in 3 years too?

Look at Mac's peers just from Alabama. Jalen Hurts and Tua didn't light the world on fire when they first started. Then each of those teams traded for an elite receiver and also used a top 10 pick to draft another elite receiver. Suddenly those guys went from average at best QB's to MVP caliber simply due to the massive upgrade in WR personnel. For some reason, Bill Belichick can't grasp this concept.

Is Mac broken now, yes. I'd argue that any QB in the league would not have survived what Mac has gone through. The complete incompetence in the front office and coaching staff needs to go. You just can't fire Bill, since he has hired virtually everyone involved in this mess. This needs to be a top to bottom overhaul.

Not hating him but he's definitely regressed.  Now how much of it is on him versus the coaching staff/personnel is debatable but its certainly apparent that he's taken a giant step back from his rookie year and the odd thing is that you really can't chalk up this regression to injuries.

His injury may not be physical, but what I highlighted has certainly contributed to damaging him mentally. Sometimes that is far worse, as there is no simple fix, especially since the damage took so long to accumulate.

At least you're not pointing to some singular game played under awful weather conditions his rookie year as the root of his downfall.

the root of the downfall to the relationship is Bill's lack of trust in Mac. That game was just evidence of it.