Patriots 2023 Season

[kraidstar]

It doesn't matter who's coaching the team. This is the least talented Patriot offense that I can ever remember. The line is so poor that it's impossible to run an offense. They can't pass block and they can't run block. Whether Mac can play or not (he can't) makes no difference because having no line means you can't move the ball. Of course they also have a roster full of 3rd and 4th receivers so forget about going down field. And oh by the way, Mac has a week arm, isn't mobile and makes poor decisions.

There is no way out of this this season.

I saw a graphic on reddit that combined o-line scores from ESPN, Pro Football Focus, and Sports Illustrated.

The Pats were dead last.

Apparently our receivers also get the fewest yards of separation in the league.

Add to that a young, immobile pocket passer, and you have a recipe for disaster.

Mac has been horrible and cannot protect the football under pressure. With that being said, Bill Belichick has set him up to fail by assembling the worst offensive supporting cast I've ever seen. It's been getting worse for 6 years straight now.

[ozgod]

The team is in a shambles and Bill is responsible, both for building it and coaching it. I'm not prepared to give up on him coaching it yet but he needs to be relieved of the GM duties. Having Tom (and Gronk to a lesser extent) papered over a lot of his inadequacies in team building but even Tom had had enough at the end. We all criticize analytics, but Bill seems to be more of a gut-feel kind of guy and it's clearly not working with Tom gone. There's weaknesses in every position. Mac is mediocre to say the least but Bill has managed to bring out the worst in him by giving him no pocket stability so he feels like he's going to get hit on every play, and having nobody to throw to accentuates his slow decision making. Defensively they are better at least but you win by scoring points as well as stopping other teams from scoring them.

Bill really has to do a better job preparing them though. Whatever happened to Do Your Job? Getting blown out in the first half of each game, there's no way you can remotely say they were prepared, even if those were due to INTs.

vs Philly: 16-1 after end of 1st quarter
vs Mia: 17-3 after end of 1st half
vs Dallas: 28-3 after end of 1st half
vs NO: 21-0 after end of 1st half

The only game we weren't behind at halftime was vs the Jets which we won. And people coming into our house and getting these huge leads at Foxboro? Truly embarrassing. The aura is definitely gone.

On the plus side...lose every single game between now and the end of the season and there might be a pot of gold waiting for us...do NOT let Bill make the pick though PLEASE!!!!

[johnnygreen]

This is a Bill Belichick issue. The game has simply passed him by. Today's game is all about speed, and this team severely lacks it.

I feel bad for Mac Jones, because he is in an impossible situation. I don't care who is quarterbacking this team, the QB is not the big issue. The offensive line is awful and the receivers have no speed or quickness. A team/QB can get away with having only one of those issues, but not both.

BTW, maybe Adrian Klemm is not a good offensive line coordinator. Was he just another favor by Bill to get an NFL job again?

[green_bballers13]

I think one of the dumbest things anyone can do as a sport fan is revisionist history. Is it possible it is time for Bill to retire? absolutely. Is it possible his coaching and eye for talent has significantly slipped as he as he entered his 70's? Also, absolutely. However, acting like Brady stepped in as a hall of famer when the Patriots beat the Rams or just closing glossing over the super bowl the Patriots won when they scored 13 points? That ridiculous. Like have even a basic understanding of the sport if you are going to comment. Bill was a very good coach for a very long time. I get he annoys people cause he is surly and he comes off as arrogant etc. Don't make yourself look like a complete fool by acting like he was never a good coach for these reasons. Some of this stuff is embarrassing to read as a regular on this forum.

Moranis doesn't believe what he's posting about BB. He's floating bait out there to see who will bite. His post about BB as a coach and a GM is too far off to be taken seriously. It may have worked if he used less throttle.

[Phantom255x]

If Belichick had already passed Shula by now, I think he's retired and just chilling in Nantucket.

And even as I hear his answers to questions in his morning interviews today, he really doesn't sound like someone who cares right now, or at least not someone who is willing to go above and beyond to fix the team. He's just giving "corporate" answers and stating the obvious ("yeah we need to get better", "we need to start over", etc.). He probably doesn't believe in the team or the QBs, which is ironic because he's the GM who literally built this roster 

I agree with others, Belichick has done a lot for this team and is the GOAT of coaches, so you won't fire him mid-season. But there's no excuse not to fire him after this season if they finish with less than 7 wins and it continues to look bad. I also wouldn't want Belichick picking high in the upcoming Draft either, for all we know he'd just trade back or pick some insane reach.

The alternate is Kraft removing GM duties and other power from Belichick outside of coaching, but I doubt Belichick agrees to that and he'll probably leave, so it becomes a "mutual parting" maybe with Steve Belichick also gone and Mayo promoted officially. That seems the more ideal route for all parties. Belichick can pursue Shula's record on a team like the Chargers who should immediately dump Staley if Belichick is available.

[ozgod]

We have the worst O-line in the NFL, in a way you can't blame Mac for being so flighty and having zero confidence. This was taken 1.4 seconds after the snap.

[A Future of Stevens]

I just don't see the point of toiling away for 5-8 wins. I don't think the Patriots have enough talent to hypothetically upset a team to make any noise. Mac isn't the answer, and it is great to build a solid foundation to help a future young QB.

I believe young QBs benefit from elite line play, playmaking wideouts to take the pressure off, and safety valve RBs or TEs. You can make the argument we gave Mac 1 of those conditions during his tenure.

The Pats need to rebuild the whole team. Best way to do that would be to try and find the answer at QB, and surround him with as many positives as possible.

[Phantom255x]

This pic just about sums things up.

And just to add some context, this is only 1.4 seconds after the ball was snapped

That's absolutely ridiculous. Sorry but even Brady, Mahomes, etc. aren't gonna do much on that play

[ozgod]

This pic just about sums things up.

And just to add some context, this is only 1.4 seconds after the ball was snapped

That's absolutely ridiculous. Sorry but even Brady, Mahomes, etc. aren't gonna do much on that play

This is the team that Bill built. He absolutely should be kept away from front office duties, immediately.

[Goldstar88]

This pic just about sums things up.

And just to add some context, this is only 1.4 seconds after the ball was snapped

That's absolutely ridiculous. Sorry but even Brady, Mahomes, etc. aren't gonna do much on that play

This is the team that Bill built. He absolutely should be kept away from front office duties, immediately.

Think you both hit the nail on the head. Bill is an excellent DC. That should be the extent of his duties at this point.

[celticsclay]

I just don't see the point of toiling away for 5-8 wins. I don't think the Patriots have enough talent to hypothetically upset a team to make any noise. Mac isn't the answer, and it is great to build a solid foundation to help a future young QB.

I believe young QBs benefit from elite line play, playmaking wideouts to take the pressure off, and safety valve RBs or TEs. You can make the argument we gave Mac 1 of those conditions during his tenure.

The Pats need to rebuild the whole team. Best way to do that would be to try and find the answer at QB, and surround him with as many positives as possible.

Yeah I am down to do a full rebuild at this point for sure. Question is, do we have any vets that other teams would give us picks for? Obviously no studs, but maybe a team would do a later pick for Henry or Stevenson? I still think Stevenson is pretty solid, but he can't do anything behind our line.

[Moranis]

I think one of the dumbest things anyone can do as a sport fan is revisionist history. Is it possible it is time for Bill to retire? absolutely. Is it possible his coaching and eye for talent has significantly slipped as he as he entered his 70's? Also, absolutely. However, acting like Brady stepped in as a hall of famer when the Patriots beat the Rams or just closing glossing over the super bowl the Patriots won when they scored 13 points? That ridiculous. Like have even a basic understanding of the sport if you are going to comment. Bill was a very good coach for a very long time. I get he annoys people cause he is surly and he comes off as arrogant etc. Don't make yourself look like a complete fool by acting like he was never a good coach for these reasons. Some of this stuff is embarrassing to read as a regular on this forum.

Moranis doesn't believe what he's posting about BB. He's floating bait out there to see who will bite. His post about BB as a coach and a GM is too far off to be taken seriously. It may have worked if he used less throttle.

I absolutely believe what I say.  I always do. Never post otherwise.  Bill is a terrible GM and a poor head coach.  He is an excellent defensive coach, but he struggles a lot coaching the offense, which is also why he is a terrible GM since he can't effectively recognize offensive talent. 

Here is Edelman basically saying that exact thing earlier today.

https://twitter.com/TheHerd/status/1711455797363040436?s=19

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Just how bad is New England's offense?

Eagles kicker Jake Elliott has 59 points this season. The entire Patriots offense has 55 points.

[Phantom255x]

Just how bad is New England's offense?

Eagles kicker Jake Elliott has 59 points this season. The entire Patriots offense has 55 points.

[ozgod]

I wonder if Bill still has the heart to "start over" as he says. I know he's always been like that in press conferences, but when your team is getting hammered by 72-3 in 2 games and you punt in the opponent's 40 to tell your team you think they suck and then you respond to questions in monosyllables, it does come across like he has a care factor of zero.