Patriots 2023 Season

[Donoghus]

So Bill will make this trade to fill a hole in the secondary but won't do anything to shore up the O-line? The Pats were going nowhere, even with Gonzalez and Judon playing great defense, because the offense was so bad. So why not address the offense?

That’s a good question. Maybe he’s still upset with Mac from when he was calling around last year, looking for advice on how to deal with the Patricia experiment. His way of running Mac out of town, lol. Bill doesn’t strike me as the forgiving type.

It would worry me if our 70 year-old coach & GM behaved so petulantly

Would it surprise you, though? I can only imagine how peeved Bill must have been when he found out about it… I’m not sure a player can come back from that. Also not sure if Mac would be here if it wasn’t for Kraft.

The idea that he was purposely sabotage his quarterback and his team is utterly ridiculous.

[Phantom255x]

So Bill will make this trade to fill a hole in the secondary but won't do anything to shore up the O-line? The Pats were going nowhere, even with Gonzalez and Judon playing great defense, because the offense was so bad. So why not address the offense?

That’s a good question. Maybe he’s still upset with Mac from when he was calling around last year, looking for advice on how to deal with the Patricia experiment. His way of running Mac out of town, lol. Bill doesn’t strike me as the forgiving type.

It would worry me if our 70 year-old coach & GM behaved so petulantly

Would it surprise you, though? I can only imagine how peeved Bill must have been when he found out about it… I’m not sure a player can come back from that. Also not sure if Mac would be here if it wasn’t for Kraft.

The idea that he was purposely sabotage his quarterback and his team is utterly ridiculous.

Yeah idk. Hiring Patricia + Judge in 2022 which everyone knew would be a disaster. Not giving Mac any weapons to work with. That debacle in last year's Bears game where he benched Mac (who just came back from injury) for Zappe and caused some drama in the locker room that night and week. Then spending a good chunk of the offseason not even acknowledging Mac or giving him a vote of confidence that he's the starting QB. And also, not fortifying the O-Line which can't block at all.

If you go down the list, he's done a lot of things to basically ruin a QB's development. And it's one thing for local radio to bash a team, but even national media is doing the same now. You also had that [dang]ing Boston Herald article last offseason where even players straight up said "BB f'ed us" (not a joke, look it up)

I remember guys like Tua and Jalen Hurts just a few years ago also in a similar position where everyone doubted them. And yet Mike McDaniels + Sirianni gave their QBs a huge vote of confidence, the team's GM provided them with legit weapons (Hill, Waddle, Smith, AJ Brown), and those guys now are legit.

Idk if Mac Jones is the guy, but right now I'm not even sure Bill Belichick is the guy either tbh. Belichick as GM is awful. He built an O-Line which will probably get Mac killed at some point, and there isn't a single receiver on this team that other teams "gameplan" for or fear

I know someone above said Mac might only be here because Kraft loves him, but I'd argue Belichick is only here because of Shula's record. If he already passed it or wasn't close at all, are we sure Belichick is still here? I think Kraft and the organization hope Belichick achieves the feat here so it's more associated with the Pats, but if they keep racking up these subpar seasons then even passing that record will look meh by the time it happens.

[Donoghus]

So Bill will make this trade to fill a hole in the secondary but won't do anything to shore up the O-line? The Pats were going nowhere, even with Gonzalez and Judon playing great defense, because the offense was so bad. So why not address the offense?

That’s a good question. Maybe he’s still upset with Mac from when he was calling around last year, looking for advice on how to deal with the Patricia experiment. His way of running Mac out of town, lol. Bill doesn’t strike me as the forgiving type.

It would worry me if our 70 year-old coach & GM behaved so petulantly

Would it surprise you, though? I can only imagine how peeved Bill must have been when he found out about it… I’m not sure a player can come back from that. Also not sure if Mac would be here if it wasn’t for Kraft.

The idea that he was purposely sabotage his quarterback and his team is utterly ridiculous.

Yeah idk. Hiring Patricia + Judge in 2022 which everyone knew would be a disaster. Not giving Mac any weapons to work with. That debacle in last year's Bears game where he benched Mac (who just came back from injury) for Zappe and caused some drama in the locker room that night and week. Then spending a good chunk of the offseason not even acknowledging Mac or giving him a vote of confidence that he's the starting QB. And also, not fortifying the O-Line which can't block at all.

If you go down the list, he's done a lot of things to basically ruin a QB's development. And it's one thing for local radio to bash a team, but even national media is doing the same now. You also had that [dang]ing Boston Herald article last offseason where even players straight up said "BB f'ed us" (not a joke, look it up)

I remember guys like Tua and Jalen Hurts just a few years ago also in a similar position where everyone doubted them. And yet Mike McDaniels + Sirianni gave their QBs a huge vote of confidence, the team's GM provided them with legit weapons (Hill, Waddle, Smith, AJ Brown), and those guys now are legit.

Idk if Mac Jones is the guy, but right now I'm not even sure Bill Belichick is the guy either tbh. Belichick as GM is awful. He built an O-Line which will probably get Mac killed at some point, and there isn't a single receiver on this team that other teams "gameplan" for or fear

I know someone above said Mac might only be here because Kraft loves him, but I'd argue Belichick is only here because of Shula's record. If he already passed it or wasn't close at all, are we sure Belichick is still here? I think Kraft and the organization hope Belichick achieves the feat here so it's more associated with the Pats, but if they keep racking up these subpar seasons then even passing that record will look meh by the time it happens.

There's a difference between bad management/bad coaching and straight-up sabotage. 

There's certainly been missteps in the post-Brady era.  But the idea that a coach who has been in the league for nearly a half century, a fervent historian of the game, and the son of a coach would go out and purposely sabotage his quarterback and his team is insanely idiotic. 

[Goldstar88]

So Bill will make this trade to fill a hole in the secondary but won't do anything to shore up the O-line? The Pats were going nowhere, even with Gonzalez and Judon playing great defense, because the offense was so bad. So why not address the offense?

That’s a good question. Maybe he’s still upset with Mac from when he was calling around last year, looking for advice on how to deal with the Patricia experiment. His way of running Mac out of town, lol. Bill doesn’t strike me as the forgiving type.

It would worry me if our 70 year-old coach & GM behaved so petulantly

Would it surprise you, though? I can only imagine how peeved Bill must have been when he found out about it… I’m not sure a player can come back from that. Also not sure if Mac would be here if it wasn’t for Kraft.

The idea that he was purposely sabotage his quarterback and his team is utterly ridiculous.

How many times have we seen Bill put his ego ahead of what is best for the team?

[Donoghus]

So Bill will make this trade to fill a hole in the secondary but won't do anything to shore up the O-line? The Pats were going nowhere, even with Gonzalez and Judon playing great defense, because the offense was so bad. So why not address the offense?

That’s a good question. Maybe he’s still upset with Mac from when he was calling around last year, looking for advice on how to deal with the Patricia experiment. His way of running Mac out of town, lol. Bill doesn’t strike me as the forgiving type.

It would worry me if our 70 year-old coach & GM behaved so petulantly

Would it surprise you, though? I can only imagine how peeved Bill must have been when he found out about it… I’m not sure a player can come back from that. Also not sure if Mac would be here if it wasn’t for Kraft.

The idea that he was purposely sabotage his quarterback and his team is utterly ridiculous.

How many times have we seen Bill put his ego ahead of what is best for the team?

Acutally confirmed or via fan/sports radio hOt tAKeZ?

[Goldstar88]

So Bill will make this trade to fill a hole in the secondary but won't do anything to shore up the O-line? The Pats were going nowhere, even with Gonzalez and Judon playing great defense, because the offense was so bad. So why not address the offense?

That’s a good question. Maybe he’s still upset with Mac from when he was calling around last year, looking for advice on how to deal with the Patricia experiment. His way of running Mac out of town, lol. Bill doesn’t strike me as the forgiving type.

It would worry me if our 70 year-old coach & GM behaved so petulantly

Would it surprise you, though? I can only imagine how peeved Bill must have been when he found out about it… I’m not sure a player can come back from that. Also not sure if Mac would be here if it wasn’t for Kraft.

The idea that he was purposely sabotage his quarterback and his team is utterly ridiculous.

How many times have we seen Bill put his ego ahead of what is best for the team?

Acutally confirmed or via fan/sports radio hOt tAKeZ?

Malcolm Butler benching during the SB is a pretty good example. Sure didn’t seem like a move that was best for the team…

[Donoghus]

So Bill will make this trade to fill a hole in the secondary but won't do anything to shore up the O-line? The Pats were going nowhere, even with Gonzalez and Judon playing great defense, because the offense was so bad. So why not address the offense?

That’s a good question. Maybe he’s still upset with Mac from when he was calling around last year, looking for advice on how to deal with the Patricia experiment. His way of running Mac out of town, lol. Bill doesn’t strike me as the forgiving type.

It would worry me if our 70 year-old coach & GM behaved so petulantly

Would it surprise you, though? I can only imagine how peeved Bill must have been when he found out about it… I’m not sure a player can come back from that. Also not sure if Mac would be here if it wasn’t for Kraft.

The idea that he was purposely sabotage his quarterback and his team is utterly ridiculous.

How many times have we seen Bill put his ego ahead of what is best for the team?

Acutally confirmed or via fan/sports radio hOt tAKeZ?

Malcolm Butler benching during the SB is a pretty good example. Sure didn’t seem like a move that was best for the team…

Key word being "seem" here.  That's opinion.

Bad coaching move? Debatable.  Sabotage? No. 

You think Belichick would sabotage a chance at a Super Bowl ring? Deliberately damage the chances of his players winning a championship? Kraft would've fired him before he got on the bus home from Minneapolis.   

If Belichick was undermining the starting quarterback of this team, he'd be out the door so fast, Shula record be [dang]ed.  Robert Kraft is 82 years old.  You think he's just gonna sit by and let his coach ruin his franchise in his sunset years?

[gouki88]

So Bill will make this trade to fill a hole in the secondary but won't do anything to shore up the O-line? The Pats were going nowhere, even with Gonzalez and Judon playing great defense, because the offense was so bad. So why not address the offense?

That’s a good question. Maybe he’s still upset with Mac from when he was calling around last year, looking for advice on how to deal with the Patricia experiment. His way of running Mac out of town, lol. Bill doesn’t strike me as the forgiving type.

It would worry me if our 70 year-old coach & GM behaved so petulantly

Would it surprise you, though? I can only imagine how peeved Bill must have been when he found out about it… I’m not sure a player can come back from that. Also not sure if Mac would be here if it wasn’t for Kraft.

The idea that he was purposely sabotage his quarterback and his team is utterly ridiculous.

How many times have we seen Bill put his ego ahead of what is best for the team?

How many mistakes are you attributing to being egotistical?

[green_bballers13]

Bill has made some head-scratching decisions.

The willingness for some to jump to a conspiracy theory is baffling. It is a ridiculous supposition that Bill would do anything to sacrifice winning. He has six super bowls with the Patriots. Give me a break.

[Goldstar88]

So Bill will make this trade to fill a hole in the secondary but won't do anything to shore up the O-line? The Pats were going nowhere, even with Gonzalez and Judon playing great defense, because the offense was so bad. So why not address the offense?

That’s a good question. Maybe he’s still upset with Mac from when he was calling around last year, looking for advice on how to deal with the Patricia experiment. His way of running Mac out of town, lol. Bill doesn’t strike me as the forgiving type.

It would worry me if our 70 year-old coach & GM behaved so petulantly

Would it surprise you, though? I can only imagine how peeved Bill must have been when he found out about it… I’m not sure a player can come back from that. Also not sure if Mac would be here if it wasn’t for Kraft.

The idea that he was purposely sabotage his quarterback and his team is utterly ridiculous.

How many times have we seen Bill put his ego ahead of what is best for the team?

Acutally confirmed or via fan/sports radio hOt tAKeZ?

Malcolm Butler benching during the SB is a pretty good example. Sure didn’t seem like a move that was best for the team…

Key word being "seem" here.  That's opinion.

Bad coaching move? Debatable.  Sabotage? No. 

You think Belichick would sabotage a chance at a Super Bowl ring? Deliberately damage the chances of his players winning a championship? Kraft would've fired him before he got on the bus home from Minneapolis.   

If Belichick was undermining the starting quarterback of this team, he'd be out the door so fast, Shula record be [dang]ed.  Robert Kraft is 82 years old.  You think he's just gonna sit by and let his coach ruin his franchise in his sunset years?

Right, I’m giving an opinion. As are you. Bill seems to make bad decisions due to his ego. Signing Juju over Myers, another example. Jakobi was critical of the offensive game plan last season, he’s no longer here. Bourne was critical of the play calling last year, spent half the season in the doghouse. Again, these decisions don’t seem to be what is best for the team.

[Donoghus]

So Bill will make this trade to fill a hole in the secondary but won't do anything to shore up the O-line? The Pats were going nowhere, even with Gonzalez and Judon playing great defense, because the offense was so bad. So why not address the offense?

That’s a good question. Maybe he’s still upset with Mac from when he was calling around last year, looking for advice on how to deal with the Patricia experiment. His way of running Mac out of town, lol. Bill doesn’t strike me as the forgiving type.

It would worry me if our 70 year-old coach & GM behaved so petulantly

Would it surprise you, though? I can only imagine how peeved Bill must have been when he found out about it… I’m not sure a player can come back from that. Also not sure if Mac would be here if it wasn’t for Kraft.

The idea that he was purposely sabotage his quarterback and his team is utterly ridiculous.

How many times have we seen Bill put his ego ahead of what is best for the team?

Acutally confirmed or via fan/sports radio hOt tAKeZ?

Malcolm Butler benching during the SB is a pretty good example. Sure didn’t seem like a move that was best for the team…

Key word being "seem" here.  That's opinion.

Bad coaching move? Debatable.  Sabotage? No. 

You think Belichick would sabotage a chance at a Super Bowl ring? Deliberately damage the chances of his players winning a championship? Kraft would've fired him before he got on the bus home from Minneapolis.   

If Belichick was undermining the starting quarterback of this team, he'd be out the door so fast, Shula record be [dang]ed.  Robert Kraft is 82 years old.  You think he's just gonna sit by and let his coach ruin his franchise in his sunset years?

Right, I’m giving an opinion. As are you. Bill seems to make bad decisions due to his ego. Signing Juju over Myers, another example. Jakobi was critical of the offensive game plan last season, he’s no longer here. Bourne was critical of the play calling last year, spent half the season in the doghouse. Again, these decisions don’t seem to be what is best for the team.

I'm talking straight up sabotage. 

Also,  how do you know these bad decisions are because of ego?  Couldn't they simply be mistakes?  Or maybe not even mistakes but just something that isn't working out at a particluar moment?

[Goldstar88]

So Bill will make this trade to fill a hole in the secondary but won't do anything to shore up the O-line? The Pats were going nowhere, even with Gonzalez and Judon playing great defense, because the offense was so bad. So why not address the offense?

That’s a good question. Maybe he’s still upset with Mac from when he was calling around last year, looking for advice on how to deal with the Patricia experiment. His way of running Mac out of town, lol. Bill doesn’t strike me as the forgiving type.

It would worry me if our 70 year-old coach & GM behaved so petulantly

Would it surprise you, though? I can only imagine how peeved Bill must have been when he found out about it… I’m not sure a player can come back from that. Also not sure if Mac would be here if it wasn’t for Kraft.

The idea that he was purposely sabotage his quarterback and his team is utterly ridiculous.

How many times have we seen Bill put his ego ahead of what is best for the team?

Acutally confirmed or via fan/sports radio hOt tAKeZ?

Malcolm Butler benching during the SB is a pretty good example. Sure didn’t seem like a move that was best for the team…

Key word being "seem" here.  That's opinion.

Bad coaching move? Debatable.  Sabotage? No. 

You think Belichick would sabotage a chance at a Super Bowl ring? Deliberately damage the chances of his players winning a championship? Kraft would've fired him before he got on the bus home from Minneapolis.   

If Belichick was undermining the starting quarterback of this team, he'd be out the door so fast, Shula record be [dang]ed.  Robert Kraft is 82 years old.  You think he's just gonna sit by and let his coach ruin his franchise in his sunset years?

Right, I’m giving an opinion. As are you. Bill seems to make bad decisions due to his ego. Signing Juju over Myers, another example. Jakobi was critical of the offensive game plan last season, he’s no longer here. Bourne was critical of the play calling last year, spent half the season in the doghouse. Again, these decisions don’t seem to be what is best for the team.

I'm talking straight up sabotage. 

Also,  how do you know these bad decisions are because of ego?  Couldn't they simply be mistakes?  Or maybe not even mistakes but just something that isn't working out at a particluar moment?

Just seems like a pattern at this point. I don’t think it’s a coincidence.

[green_bballers13]

So Bill will make this trade to fill a hole in the secondary but won't do anything to shore up the O-line? The Pats were going nowhere, even with Gonzalez and Judon playing great defense, because the offense was so bad. So why not address the offense?

That’s a good question. Maybe he’s still upset with Mac from when he was calling around last year, looking for advice on how to deal with the Patricia experiment. His way of running Mac out of town, lol. Bill doesn’t strike me as the forgiving type.

It would worry me if our 70 year-old coach & GM behaved so petulantly

Would it surprise you, though? I can only imagine how peeved Bill must have been when he found out about it… I’m not sure a player can come back from that. Also not sure if Mac would be here if it wasn’t for Kraft.

The idea that he was purposely sabotage his quarterback and his team is utterly ridiculous.

How many times have we seen Bill put his ego ahead of what is best for the team?

Acutally confirmed or via fan/sports radio hOt tAKeZ?

Malcolm Butler benching during the SB is a pretty good example. Sure didn’t seem like a move that was best for the team…

Key word being "seem" here.  That's opinion.

Bad coaching move? Debatable.  Sabotage? No. 

You think Belichick would sabotage a chance at a Super Bowl ring? Deliberately damage the chances of his players winning a championship? Kraft would've fired him before he got on the bus home from Minneapolis.   

If Belichick was undermining the starting quarterback of this team, he'd be out the door so fast, Shula record be [dang]ed.  Robert Kraft is 82 years old.  You think he's just gonna sit by and let his coach ruin his franchise in his sunset years?

Right, I’m giving an opinion. As are you. Bill seems to make bad decisions due to his ego. Signing Juju over Myers, another example. Jakobi was critical of the offensive game plan last season, he’s no longer here. Bourne was critical of the play calling last year, spent half the season in the doghouse. Again, these decisions don’t seem to be what is best for the team.

I'm talking straight up sabotage. 

Also,  how do you know these bad decisions are because of ego?  Couldn't they simply be mistakes?  Or maybe not even mistakes but just something that isn't working out at a particluar moment?

Just seems like a pattern at this point. I don’t think it’s a coincidence.

You're looking to connect dots that aren't there. BB wants to beat Shula's record. You think he prefers to take 6 years instead of 2-3 years to do so? That would tarnish his excellent legacy. He pays attention to football history and cares about his legacy.

What are you talking about?

[Goldstar88]

So Bill will make this trade to fill a hole in the secondary but won't do anything to shore up the O-line? The Pats were going nowhere, even with Gonzalez and Judon playing great defense, because the offense was so bad. So why not address the offense?

That’s a good question. Maybe he’s still upset with Mac from when he was calling around last year, looking for advice on how to deal with the Patricia experiment. His way of running Mac out of town, lol. Bill doesn’t strike me as the forgiving type.

It would worry me if our 70 year-old coach & GM behaved so petulantly

Would it surprise you, though? I can only imagine how peeved Bill must have been when he found out about it… I’m not sure a player can come back from that. Also not sure if Mac would be here if it wasn’t for Kraft.

The idea that he was purposely sabotage his quarterback and his team is utterly ridiculous.

How many times have we seen Bill put his ego ahead of what is best for the team?

Acutally confirmed or via fan/sports radio hOt tAKeZ?

Malcolm Butler benching during the SB is a pretty good example. Sure didn’t seem like a move that was best for the team…

Key word being "seem" here.  That's opinion.

Bad coaching move? Debatable.  Sabotage? No. 

You think Belichick would sabotage a chance at a Super Bowl ring? Deliberately damage the chances of his players winning a championship? Kraft would've fired him before he got on the bus home from Minneapolis.   

If Belichick was undermining the starting quarterback of this team, he'd be out the door so fast, Shula record be [dang]ed.  Robert Kraft is 82 years old.  You think he's just gonna sit by and let his coach ruin his franchise in his sunset years?

Right, I’m giving an opinion. As are you. Bill seems to make bad decisions due to his ego. Signing Juju over Myers, another example. Jakobi was critical of the offensive game plan last season, he’s no longer here. Bourne was critical of the play calling last year, spent half the season in the doghouse. Again, these decisions don’t seem to be what is best for the team.

I'm talking straight up sabotage. 

Also,  how do you know these bad decisions are because of ego?  Couldn't they simply be mistakes?  Or maybe not even mistakes but just something that isn't working out at a particluar moment?

Just seems like a pattern at this point. I don’t think it’s a coincidence.

You're looking to connect dots that aren't there. BB wants to beat Shula's record. You think he prefers to take 6 years instead of 2-3 years to do so? That would tarnish his excellent legacy. He pays attention to football history and cares about his legacy.

What are you talking about?

Course Bill wants to break Shula’s record, but that doesn’t mean his ego isn’t getting in the way of what’s best for the team. The last 3+ years have certainly tarnished his legacy. He hasn’t had any success since Tom left.

[SparzWizard]

I'm done with Belichick. He drafted Dobson over Allen or the Honey Badger. Sony Michel over Nick Chubb or Lamar Jackson. N'Keal over DK Metcalf or AJ Brown.

Ego? Benching Malcolm Butler in the Superbowl just to prove a point, and wasted another year of Brady and his 505 passing yards that game.

Hiring garbage coaches like Matt 'pencil guy' Patricia and Joe Judge to manage Mac Jones? Having Josh McDumb- coordinating the offense? Brady masked all of their issues. Shannon Sharpe is right, Brady responsible for most of NE's success. Belichick could've just called it quits after their last SB win, and now his legacy is ruined post-Brady.