Patriots 2023 Season

[Moranis]

Williams and Maye as the only 2 1st rounders seems right to me.  They will be 1 and 2 unless Chicago ends up with top 2 picks (bears would take Williams and probably Harrison at 2).  Not sure anyone else has more than mediocre NFL ability though I do like Ewers swagger.

[Vermont Green]

Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that the Chargers have traded Jackson to the Patriots. The compensation will be a sixth-round pick to the Chargers, and a seventh-round pick to the Patriots, in 2025.

Jackson signed a five-year, $82.5 million contract with the Chargers in 2022. He has been a major disappointment. In Week 3, he was a healthy scratch.

The Chargers paid him $28 million in 2022. He has a guaranteed base salary of $12 million this year. It’s unknown at this point whether the Chargers are paying any of the salary in order to facilitate the trade.

L.A. will take a $15 million dead-cap charge in 2024, due to the dumping of the contract.

Jackson spent the first four years of his career with New England. He was undrafted out of Maryland in 2018.

I don't understand NFL contracts.  Based on the article and what I saw on Spotrac, it appears that there is not much guaranteed after this season.  The article says 2023 is $12M base salary, Spotrac says $9.3M cap hit (not sure the difference).  The Chargers will take the cap hits for the signing bonuses.  I have my doubts that LAC would give him away and pay some of his salary, their compensation in the trade is moving up from 7th to 6th round in the draft in 2025, so they are essentially giving him away.

I think it is a good move, the Pats' secondary is on life support with all the injuries.

Spotrac:

J.C. Jackson signed a 5 year, $82,500,000 contract with the Los Angeles Chargers, including a $25,000,000 signing bonus, $40,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $16,500,000. In 2023, Jackson will earn a base salary of $9,333,333, while carrying a cap hit of $9,333,333 and a dead cap value of $9,333,333.

[Phantom255x]

According to Pelissero and Fowler, Chargers are eating most of the remaining 9.3M. Pats are only paying about 1.5M this season. Rest of the contract remains intact, but it's also not guaranteed beyond 2023 apparently.

[A Future of Stevens]

I would be alot more excited about Jackson if the rest of our DBs weren't out. Also our best defensive player is out for the year. This season seems like a wash.

[Donoghus]

Gonzalez most likely out for year. Hence, the Jackson signing.

Sucks.  Gonzalez was looking like a future all-pro.  Best to focus on the long term at this point, though.

[Vermont Green]

According to Pelissero and Fowler, Chargers are eating most of the remaining 9.3M. Pats are only paying about 1.5M this season. Rest of the contract remains intact, but it's also not guaranteed beyond 2023 apparently.

Wow, if true, why wouldn't LAChargers just release him pay him off.  Do the guarantees or the cap hits work out differently if they waive him?  I guess saving $1.5M and moving up from 7th round to 6th round in 2025, is better than nothing.

This is a great deal for the Pats.  Even if they end up cutting him down the road.

[boscel33]

Gonzalez most likely out for year. Hence, the Jackson signing.

Sucks.  Gonzalez was looking like a future all-pro.  Best to focus on the long term at this point, though.

Judon might be out for the season too. 

[Phantom255x]

Gonzalez most likely out for year. Hence, the Jackson signing.

Sucks.  Gonzalez was looking like a future all-pro.  Best to focus on the long term at this point, though.

Judon might be out for the season too.

Yeah it really sucks. On the flip side, I am excited to see Keion White with a bigger role. The guy is a monster and can be very disruptive. Mapu may also factor in with an increased hybrid role

I think the secondary as a whole can survive, but if Jonathan Jones has to also continue missing time that's an issue. But if he returns, JC Jackson, J. Jones, Mills, maybe Bryant as the 4th guy to go along with our loaded/deep safety group. Not bad. Not 100% certain but there may be a chance Marcus Jones can come back in the 2nd half of the season as well.

Obviously though we really can't afford too many major injuries going forward

[kraidstar]

I'm not excited for the Jackson move whatsoever. We have zero chance at a title this year and should be tanking.

We need a proper rebuild with high end homegrown talent.

[KG Living Legend]

Gonzalez most likely out for year. Hence, the Jackson signing.

Sucks.  Gonzalez was looking like a future all-pro.  Best to focus on the long term at this point, though.

Judon might be out for the season too.

Yeah it really sucks. On the flip side, I am excited to see Keion White with a bigger role. The guy is a monster and can be very disruptive. Mapu may also factor in with an increased hybrid role

I think the secondary as a whole can survive, but if Jonathan Jones has to also continue missing time that's an issue. But if he returns, JC Jackson, J. Jones, Mills, maybe Bryant as the 4th guy to go along with our loaded/deep safety group. Not bad. Not 100% certain but there may be a chance Marcus Jones can come back in the 2nd half of the season as well.

Obviously though we really can't afford too many major injuries going forward

 Can't afford more injuries?? The team is trash, Bill is trash without Brady. It's comical at this point. Why do people blame everything else but Bill. He's washed up. He sucks.

 We have no future with Bill. Tank and hire a new coach and new GM

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

So Bill will make this trade to fill a hole in the secondary but won't do anything to shore up the O-line? The Pats were going nowhere, even with Gonzalez and Judon playing great defense, because the offense was so bad. So why not address the offense?

[gouki88]

If we lose any of the next two games, then I'm fully on board the tank train (Caleb Williams will go Chicago, but it's a loaded draft and lot of studs everywhere, even in QB)

College studs and some not even that studly in college.  Most of them will flop in the NFL.  They certainly will fail if their o-line and receivers aren't good.

How would Sanders do in the pros? Seems like he has legs and a good arm. That’s all I know besides his daddy being Deon.

Sanders should be a 2nd or 3rd round pick, definitely not 1st. I do think he can succeed in the NFL, however I do think the last few weeks have shown that he has a lot to work on. I mean, some of his awesome games have mostly been against meh teams (TCU who lost everyone to the Draft, Nebraska, Colorado State). We saw how clueless he looked against Oregon, and even most of USC before they did pretty well on offense the 2nd half, though USC's defense isn't good either.

He strikes me though as someone who tries to be a hero too much, which can hurt a team. Like instead of throwing it away, he'll run around trying to make a play but in the process get sacked or force a bad turnover. Oregon and USC in particular (two good teams) benefitted a ton from that

I think his game against Oregon was good practice for the Pats - continuously collapsing pocket

[Goldstar88]

So Bill will make this trade to fill a hole in the secondary but won't do anything to shore up the O-line? The Pats were going nowhere, even with Gonzalez and Judon playing great defense, because the offense was so bad. So why not address the offense?

That’s a good question. Maybe he’s still upset with Mac from when he was calling around last year, looking for advice on how to deal with the Patricia experiment. His way of running Mac out of town, lol. Bill doesn’t strike me as the forgiving type.

[gouki88]

So Bill will make this trade to fill a hole in the secondary but won't do anything to shore up the O-line? The Pats were going nowhere, even with Gonzalez and Judon playing great defense, because the offense was so bad. So why not address the offense?

That’s a good question. Maybe he’s still upset with Mac from when he was calling around last year, looking for advice on how to deal with the Patricia experiment. His way of running Mac out of town, lol. Bill doesn’t strike me as the forgiving type.

It would worry me if our 70 year-old coach & GM behaved so petulantly

[Goldstar88]

So Bill will make this trade to fill a hole in the secondary but won't do anything to shore up the O-line? The Pats were going nowhere, even with Gonzalez and Judon playing great defense, because the offense was so bad. So why not address the offense?

That’s a good question. Maybe he’s still upset with Mac from when he was calling around last year, looking for advice on how to deal with the Patricia experiment. His way of running Mac out of town, lol. Bill doesn’t strike me as the forgiving type.

It would worry me if our 70 year-old coach & GM behaved so petulantly

Would it surprise you, though? I can only imagine how peeved Bill must have been when he found out about it… I’m not sure a player can come back from that. Also not sure if Mac would be here if it wasn’t for Kraft.