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Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #390 on: August 04, 2023, 05:15:24 PM »

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I disagree that Peja was even close to average at defense, but he's a great pick here.

I think he's at least average to slightly above average defensively, and the advanced stats certainly back that up- definitely not a sieve by any means. He wasn't athletic enough to be considered a top level defender, but he was smart and had good hands, and was actually a really solid rebounder for his position.
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PG: Chauncey Billups/ Baron Davis
SG: Michael Redd/ Dan Majerle/ Allan Houston
SF: Peja Stojakovic/ Gerald Wallace/ Toni Kukoc
PF: Shawn Kemp/ Antonio McDyess
C: Dwight Howard/ Tyson Chandler

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #391 on: August 04, 2023, 05:28:02 PM »

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Gotta go quick, so my pick is the the all-time great Celtics player, defensive menace...



Dennis Johnson!!!
2023 No Top 75 Fantasy Draft Los Angeles Clippers
PG: Dennis Johnson / Jo Jo White / Stephon Marbury
SG: Sidney Moncrief / World B. Free
SF: Chris Mullin / Ron Artest
PF: Detlef Schrempf / Tom Chambers / Buck Williams
C: Ben Wallace / Andrew Bynum

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #392 on: August 04, 2023, 05:29:07 PM »

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Gotta go quick, so my pick is the the all-time great Celtics player, defensive menace...



Dennis Johnson!!!
What a fun pairing with Moncrief! That back-court isn't giving up much to the opponent. Are you thinking Celtics DJ or Phoenix DJ?
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #393 on: August 04, 2023, 05:30:04 PM »

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Time to play "defense" with the Bobby Jones pick. I felt like I had the luxury of this essentially being my fifth rounder, so I should pick the guy I absolutely want and fits my team. I'll break it into four parts:

Offense: Bobby Jones is never going to be Peja Stojakovic (also under consideration for me!) but he's going to fit in really nicely into our system. Like the others on my team, he's an effective passer for the position averaging 3-4 assists per game. He's a great finisher with both hands who scored 15 points per game consistently and more like 18 per 36, so he's no slouch. He did that 58% shooting his last season in Denver and had a nice close-to-midrange jump shot with 75% free throw shooting. So I don't want to pigeon hole him as a defensive stopper who couldn't do anything else. He was an effective team basketball player who is a third-ish option on a championship-level team and the advanced stats support extreme efficiency. He did that by constantly moving without the basketball, finding the right opportunities, and finishing them. This team -- with Penny, Westphal, Gasol -- is going to be a back-cut party for Bobby Jones. He's going to love playing off that type of dynamic perimeter threat and passing ability.

Defense: I'm not sure I need to explain much here. Four time All-Star primarily because of his defense. Eight (8!!) time first-team All-Defense and once second team. He didn't even play that many years. He only didn't win DPOY because the award didn't exist. He could guard literally 1-5. For now, he'll slot in guarding the forward positions depending on the matchup. But if there's a particularly challenging matchup on the wing or guard position, I wouldn't hesitate to put him on someone like that. He's that good at defense.

Mitch Kupchak had a nice thing to say about his raw athleticism with that long of a frame: "No matter who you are in the NBA -- you could've been a 6-foot-2 guard, or a 6-foot-7 or a 6-foot-8 small forward, and the best athlete in the NBA, you could not get an athletic advantage on him.”

Leadership and Impact on Winning: Bobby Jones played on good teams...but Bobby Jones qualified for the playoffs every single year of his career. He's one of those guys that just elevates your team because he relishes at doing every little thing extraordinarily well, and then still gives you offensive production. You can't lose with a guy like Bobby Jones. The conversation for him to move to coming off the bench took 30 seconds -- he's happy with whatever needs to happen for the team. Heck, he was the first 6MOY.

Charles Barkley famously said "if everyone in the world was like Bobby Jones, the world wouldn't have any problems." He never complained, he always smiled. Sidney Moncrief said this: “[Jones] didn’t complain very much, he just went out there and did his job. He was a great teammate. It would be hard to find anybody that played with Bobby Jones that would say anything negative about him as a person, and also as a teammate."

Flat out, he's a guy you want on the team.

Fit with Raptors: We'll see! This is the gamble. I honestly didn't see anyone else I was in love with because there was a center or two I liked and a slew of combo guards, but I didn't need either of those. I thought about Peja or another power forward but they just didn't sit right. Bobby provides me the flexibility to get a just-another-scoring-power-forward later if I feel like I need one, or a reasonable two-way wing later too. We'll see what happens. He could start at power forward, small forward, or come off the bench.
2023 Historical Draft: Toronto Raptors

Point Guard: Anfernee Hardaway, Fat Lever, Terrell Brandon
Shooting Guard: Paul Westphal, Paul Pressey
Small Forward: Marques Johnson, Danny Granger
Power Forward: Jermaine O'Neal, Bobby Jones, Kiki Vandeweghe
Center: Marc Gasol, Serge Ibaka

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #394 on: August 04, 2023, 05:30:55 PM »

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I'm at a restaurant, am I up? Can't follow well.
2023 Historical Draft - Brooklyn Nets - 9th pick

Bigs - Pau, Amar'e, Issel, McGinnis, Roundfield
Wings - Dantley, Bowen, J. Jackson
Guards - Cheeks, Petrovic, Buse, Rip

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #395 on: August 04, 2023, 05:31:31 PM »

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I'm at a restaurant, am I up? Can't follow well.

Nope, commish is up then it's you
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PG: Chauncey Billups/ Baron Davis
SG: Michael Redd/ Dan Majerle/ Allan Houston
SF: Peja Stojakovic/ Gerald Wallace/ Toni Kukoc
PF: Shawn Kemp/ Antonio McDyess
C: Dwight Howard/ Tyson Chandler

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #396 on: August 04, 2023, 05:33:22 PM »

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Gotta go quick, so my pick is the the all-time great Celtics player, defensive menace...



Dennis Johnson!!!

What a frighteningly good defensive backcourt you got there
2023 CelticsStrong Historical Draft Champions - OKC Thunder
PG: Chauncey Billups/ Baron Davis
SG: Michael Redd/ Dan Majerle/ Allan Houston
SF: Peja Stojakovic/ Gerald Wallace/ Toni Kukoc
PF: Shawn Kemp/ Antonio McDyess
C: Dwight Howard/ Tyson Chandler

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #397 on: August 04, 2023, 05:34:07 PM »

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Gotta go quick, so my pick is the the all-time great Celtics player, defensive menace...

Dennis Johnson!!!
What a fun pairing with Moncrief! That back-court isn't giving up much to the opponent. Are you thinking Celtics DJ or Phoenix DJ?

Well, that is the best defensive backcourt in the league. No need to see anyone else's backcourt duo. Haha. Wow.

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #398 on: August 04, 2023, 05:37:16 PM »

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Sorry for the delay, will make my pick in the next 5 mins!
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #399 on: August 04, 2023, 05:37:48 PM »

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I disagree that Peja was even close to average at defense, but he's a great pick here.

I think he's at least average to slightly above average defensively, and the advanced stats certainly back that up- definitely not a sieve by any means. He wasn't athletic enough to be considered a top level defender, but he was smart and had good hands, and was actually a really solid rebounder for his position.

Yeah, I thought Peja didn't get the credit he deserved as either a defender or a rebounder during his time with the Kings.

I felt he fell victim to two main things:

(1) Euros were deemed soft and bad defenders almost universally. You had to be really really good on D before folks would consider you otherwise.

(2) He is a big tall defender at 6-9 but he isn't quick footed and a powerful muscular defender. I feel the quick footed guys and muscular guys get credit easier. Guys who are just big and difficult to shoot over don't get as much credit. But it is a real advantage over those 6-7 SFs. Good positioning. Stay and contest. Use your size and length. Peja did that well.

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #400 on: August 04, 2023, 05:41:04 PM »

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The Orlando Magic select..



Joe Dumars!
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #401 on: August 04, 2023, 05:41:44 PM »

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DJ is a brilliant pick. 

Edit:  As is Dumars


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Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #402 on: August 04, 2023, 05:43:12 PM »

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I spent a lot of time and energy debating Westphal, Dumars, DJ. All a little different, all super awesome.
2023 Historical Draft: Toronto Raptors

Point Guard: Anfernee Hardaway, Fat Lever, Terrell Brandon
Shooting Guard: Paul Westphal, Paul Pressey
Small Forward: Marques Johnson, Danny Granger
Power Forward: Jermaine O'Neal, Bobby Jones, Kiki Vandeweghe
Center: Marc Gasol, Serge Ibaka

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #403 on: August 04, 2023, 05:43:36 PM »

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I had trouble rating DJ. He is an atypical PG and atypical SG. His style with his defense is more built for the pre-2005 era than today's era.

I wasn't sure what type of team would be right for him. Or that wouldn't be better off with a more typical PG or SG who is better suited to today's game.

Brilliant player in his day. Just tough to figure out in today's game.

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #404 on: August 04, 2023, 05:43:58 PM »

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I will take the original AD, Dantley. 30 ppg on 18 shots. 6 rpg, 4 apg
2023 Historical Draft - Brooklyn Nets - 9th pick

Bigs - Pau, Amar'e, Issel, McGinnis, Roundfield
Wings - Dantley, Bowen, J. Jackson
Guards - Cheeks, Petrovic, Buse, Rip