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Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #345 on: August 04, 2023, 03:52:49 PM »

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Eh screw it -- I'm going to go now and hope nobody minds because I need to step away in a few minutes. The Toronto Raptors are eager to bolster their backcourt and select Paul Westphal to create the best guard duo in the league.

I think there are only two players in this draft who can claim to be the best player in the NBA at their position for at least three seasons. Dwight is one. Westphal is the other. Westphal was the best guard in the NBA in the late 1970s, pulling in consistent first-team All-NBA teams. He was a willing passer at the shooting guard position (6+ assists type of guy), a great shooter even though threes didn't really exist yet (terrific extended mid-range and mid-80%s for free throws which will translate into 38%+ these days from deep in my opinion), and a sneaky good defender -- not a shutdown guy, but always got his hands into the right places and made you work. Above average.

Westphal at the shooting guard position averaged 25 points per game in 1978 on 52% shooting, highlighting his impressive efficiency considering he did a lot of damage shooting the ball. He was just that efficient. That 25 points per game came on only 31 minutes, so per 36 to equalize against a guy like English or Thompson and he's a 30 points per game scorer. He's an absolute weapon and one of the best and most efficient volume scorers in this draft.

We love the interplay between the trio of Penny, Westphal, and Gasol. Passing all over the court. Penny can and will run the offense but so can Westphal. Westphal is used to playing off-ball and doesn't need it to be successful. Versatile. We like the flexibility it gives us with the second unit because Westphal can either stay at shooting guard all game or play point if we go with another wing as a sixth man. We'll see how it plays out. He's also oddly ambidextrous, which I'm not sure does much but is kinda cool.

Last plug -- I like guys who end up becoming coaches because it showcases leadership and BBIQ. Penny and Westphal in the backcourt exhibit both.
2023 Historical Draft: Toronto Raptors

Point Guard: Anfernee Hardaway, Fat Lever, Terrell Brandon
Shooting Guard: Paul Westphal, Paul Pressey
Small Forward: Marques Johnson, Danny Granger
Power Forward: Jermaine O'Neal, Bobby Jones, Kiki Vandeweghe
Center: Marc Gasol, Serge Ibaka

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #346 on: August 04, 2023, 03:52:53 PM »

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Hey all - as I'm the final pick this round, and since I'm going to be far away from the internet this evening/unable to check the thread, I presume it's all right if I make my pick on Saturday morning?
Absolutely fine by me
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #347 on: August 04, 2023, 03:53:33 PM »

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It looks like I may not be here to pick between 4 and 4:15.   Anyone picking after me I can give my list of two to?
You can always send lists my way too :)
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #348 on: August 04, 2023, 03:56:07 PM »

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Eh screw it -- I'm going to go now and hope nobody minds because I need to step away in a few minutes. The Toronto Raptors are eager to bolster their backcourt and select Paul Westphal to create the best guard duo in the league.

I think there are only two players in this draft who can claim to be the best player in the NBA at their position for at least three seasons. Dwight is one. Westphal is the other. Westphal was the best guard in the NBA in the late 1970s, pulling in consistent first-team All-NBA teams. He was a willing passer at the shooting guard position (6+ assists type of guy), a great shooter even though threes didn't really exist yet (terrific extended mid-range and mid-80%s for free throws which will translate into 38%+ these days from deep in my opinion), and a sneaky good defender -- not a shutdown guy, but always got his hands into the right places and made you work. Above average.

Westphal at the shooting guard position averaged 25 points per game in 1978 on 52% shooting, highlighting his impressive efficiency considering he did a lot of damage shooting the ball. He was just that efficient. That 25 points per game came on only 31 minutes, so per 36 to equalize against a guy like English or Thompson and he's a 30 points per game scorer. He's an absolute weapon and one of the best and most efficient volume scorers in this draft.

We love the interplay between the trio of Penny, Westphal, and Gasol. Passing all over the court. Penny can and will run the offense but so can Westphal. Westphal is used to playing off-ball and doesn't need it to be successful. Versatile. We like the flexibility it gives us with the second unit because Westphal can either stay at shooting guard all game or play point if we go with another wing as a sixth man. We'll see how it plays out. He's also oddly ambidextrous, which I'm not sure does much but is kinda cool.

Last plug -- I like guys who end up becoming coaches because it showcases leadership and BBIQ. Penny and Westphal in the backcourt exhibit both.
Very strong pick! He was a real offensive engine in his prime, capable of playing both guard spots, super efficient high volume scorer and good passer. Love the fit alongside Penny - let Penny defend the tougher back-court opponent.
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #349 on: August 04, 2023, 03:58:36 PM »

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Westphal is near the top of the list of the pool in 1st team all nba nods. I like the pick a lot, especially if he selects DPoY Gasol inside.
2023 Non-Active, Non-NBA 75 Historical Draft, SAB Bulls:

PG: Deron Williams 08 / John Wall 17
SG: David Thompson 78 (HOF) / Hersey Hawkins 91
SF: TMac 03 (HOF) / M.R. Richardson 81 / Tayshaun 07
PF: Larry Nance Sr 92 / Blake Griffin 14
C: Lanier 77 (HOF) / Brad Daugherty 91 / Camby 07

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #350 on: August 04, 2023, 04:00:16 PM »

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Ooh, that is nice. Westphal, Penny and M Gasol.

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #351 on: August 04, 2023, 04:01:20 PM »

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Since I  am here and will pick up the kids a little later.


The Jazz select Tony Parker

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #352 on: August 04, 2023, 04:01:51 PM »

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I have a list from wdleehi, so the Jazz select Tony Parker
2023 CelticsStrong Historical Draft Champions - OKC Thunder
PG: Chauncey Billups/ Baron Davis
SG: Michael Redd/ Dan Majerle/ Allan Houston
SF: Peja Stojakovic/ Gerald Wallace/ Toni Kukoc
PF: Shawn Kemp/ Antonio McDyess
C: Dwight Howard/ Tyson Chandler

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #353 on: August 04, 2023, 04:02:49 PM »

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Since I  am here and will pick up the kids a little later.


The Jazz select Tony Parker

Beat me to it, but great pick! I thought about picking him over Billups. Decided I needed the better shooter and defender, but man Tony was fun in San Antonio.
2023 CelticsStrong Historical Draft Champions - OKC Thunder
PG: Chauncey Billups/ Baron Davis
SG: Michael Redd/ Dan Majerle/ Allan Houston
SF: Peja Stojakovic/ Gerald Wallace/ Toni Kukoc
PF: Shawn Kemp/ Antonio McDyess
C: Dwight Howard/ Tyson Chandler

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #354 on: August 04, 2023, 04:03:13 PM »

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Since I  am here and will pick up the kids a little later.


The Jazz select Tony Parker
I was wondering where Parker would go. Won't have any difficulty envisioning him playing well alongside other superstars! I think the fit of your first 3 guys is really strong.
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #355 on: August 04, 2023, 04:04:05 PM »

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Since I  am here and will pick up the kids a little later.


The Jazz select Tony Parker

Beat me to it, but great pick! I thought about picking him over Billups. Decided I needed the better shooter and defender, but man Tony was fun in San Antonio.
Not many who can claim a Finals MVP win over Tim Duncan
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #356 on: August 04, 2023, 04:04:51 PM »

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The Jazz select Tony Parker

Beat me to it, but great pick! I thought about picking him over Billups. Decided I needed the better shooter and defender, but man Tony was fun in San Antonio.
Not many who can claim a Finals MVP win over Tim Duncan

*laughs in Kawhi laugh*
2023 CelticsStrong Historical Draft Champions - OKC Thunder
PG: Chauncey Billups/ Baron Davis
SG: Michael Redd/ Dan Majerle/ Allan Houston
SF: Peja Stojakovic/ Gerald Wallace/ Toni Kukoc
PF: Shawn Kemp/ Antonio McDyess
C: Dwight Howard/ Tyson Chandler

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #357 on: August 04, 2023, 04:06:00 PM »

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Really love the Westphal pick. I had him really high on my board, but unfortunately he plays the same position as Moncrief.
2023 No Top 75 Fantasy Draft Los Angeles Clippers
PG: Dennis Johnson / Jo Jo White / Stephon Marbury
SG: Sidney Moncrief / World B. Free
SF: Chris Mullin / Ron Artest
PF: Detlef Schrempf / Tom Chambers / Buck Williams
C: Ben Wallace / Andrew Bynum

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #358 on: August 04, 2023, 04:08:51 PM »

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Memphis Grizzlies select Yao Ming.

Re: 2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Draft OPEN
« Reply #359 on: August 04, 2023, 04:09:54 PM »

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Memphis Grizzlies select Yao Ming.
Ah, awesome pick! I was hoping Yao would have a bit of a slide. What a fun and unique player
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)