Report: Lillard requests trade

[Who]

Per Ira Winderman of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, the Heat have offered anyone on the roster except Jimmy Butler and Bam Adebayo.

“They basically have loaded up one of those Pods dumpsters in front of the Trail Blazers and said, ‘Take anyone out of here you want besides Bam Adebayo and Jimmy Butler,”‘ Winderman said. “Maybe they’ll go back and forth on Caleb Martin a little, but it’s basically sort of, ‘Come and pick and choose. Tell us what you want. Anything else is yours.’ The Heat are all in on this. This is their moment.”

As expected. I was wondering if they would hold out on C Martin or not. Sounds like they won't.

G: Scoot Henderson, Anfernee Simons
G: Tyler Herro, Jaime Jaquez
F: Cartier Martin, Shaedon Sharpe
F: Jerami Grant, Nikola Jovic
C: Josuf Nurkic

Not much worse, if worse at all, than their current team with Lillard on it. Cartier Martin would be a big boost to their wing rotation. Scoot, Herro and A Simons is a good three man guard rotation. Shaedon Sharpe gets to take a bench role and improve depth.

[jpotter33]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10081741-damian-lillard-trade-rumors-celtics-have-expressed-some-interest-in-blazers-pg

When you look at the league and his stated preference is to win, and teams that have the assets and maybe the ability to get this done, the Boston Celtics have the ability to get this done...I know they have expressed some interest already in this, but this is not a team that is necessarily on the list, this is not a city that he would necessarily welcome going to right now, at least from what I understand, but as far as a team that can win and that actually has the assets to do it, they make a lot of sense.

Ramona suggesting C’s still interested in Dame and talking with Blazers but are wary of Dame not wanting to be here.

This could just be a leak from Portland or elsewhere knowing that the C’s have the best individual package if we would include Brown, as well as having a likely better overall package than Miami even without Brown included. Still, though, there’s quite a bit of smoke going around about our interest in Dame, and when combined with the Tatum recruitment rumors and the delay in Brown’s extension, there’s at least some possibility there.

Still don’t see it happening, and think resigning Brown and other marginal upgrades are the most likely scenarios. But if we are really trying to trade for him, I’d really be interested in if we’re just replacing Brown with Lillard, or if we’re going a scorched Earth/top heavy approach trying to win it all this year with JT, Dame, Porzingis, and Brown and just knowing we’ll have to trade one of them next summer. Doesn’t seem fiscally realistic to me, but if they think they can do it 🤷‍♂️

[footey]

I am not getting excited about Lillard.  I don't see how MIA can make a trade that would work for POR, and I don't see POR trading him just to trade him.  Lowry and Herro and parts and picks is just not a good deal for Lillard, even if they are able to dump Nurkic.  The deal to me, would have to be Herro + Adebayo plus whatever.  Jerami Grant could be their PF and Adebayo their C.  But if MIA does that, I don't see them having enough size to be a title contender.  Sure, Lillard + Butler is formidable but what else would they have?

And as far as the Celtics being involved, yes, Lillard would be a great fit with Tatum and Porzingis for a few years.  But we would need to trade Brown to make that happen.  I don't see us getting him for Brogdon and half our not named Brown-Tatum-Porzingis roster.  And at that point, our roster would be too top heavy anyway.  We might be able to offer something like the following:

Brown + RWill + Pritchard
for
Lillard + Sharpe

I understand they are not going to want to give up Sharpe but they are getting Jaylen Brown, a young star plus a pretty decent young big and a serviceable back up PG.  No other team is going to be able to match that.  In the end, I doubt that Celtic Ownership/Management would want to give up Brown for Lillard, but if there is any chance of Lillard to Boston, this is the type of deal that would be needed.

I don’t really understand how people think we can give up Robert Williams right now. Our nba rotation bigs would be a 38 year Horford and a guy with a super lengthy injury history in porzingas. Are we playing Muscala or kornet regular minutes in this scenario?

Thank you, cc.  Folks throw Rob's name around in trades like he is salary filler.  Guy could be the next defensive player of the year if he stays healthy.

[footey]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10081741-damian-lillard-trade-rumors-celtics-have-expressed-some-interest-in-blazers-pg

When you look at the league and his stated preference is to win, and teams that have the assets and maybe the ability to get this done, the Boston Celtics have the ability to get this done...I know they have expressed some interest already in this, but this is not a team that is necessarily on the list, this is not a city that he would necessarily welcome going to right now, at least from what I understand, but as far as a team that can win and that actually has the assets to do it, they make a lot of sense.

Ramona suggesting C’s still interested in Dame and talking with Blazers but are wary of Dame not wanting to be here.

This could just be a leak from Portland or elsewhere knowing that the C’s have the best individual package if we would include Brown, as well as having a likely better overall package than Miami even without Brown included. Still, though, there’s quite a bit of smoke going around about our interest in Dame, and when combined with the Tatum recruitment rumors and the delay in Brown’s extension, there’s at least some possibility there.

Still don’t see it happening, and think resigning Brown and other marginal upgrades are the most likely scenarios. But if we are really trying to trade for him, I’d really be interested in if we’re just replacing Brown with Lillard, or if we’re going a scorched Earth/top heavy approach trying to win it all this year with JT, Dame, Porzingis, and Brown and just knowing we’ll have to trade one of them next summer. Doesn’t seem fiscally realistic to me, but if they think they can do it 🤷‍♂️

I'm  hoping Celtics just trying to drive the price up on Heat, and have no real interest in Dame. 

[SHAQATTACK]

Rut row …getting kinda quiet on the Brown is back front lines . 

[Who]

Some Blazers fans wondering if Ainge is actually after Tyler Herro and not Dame Lillard here. To be the 3rd team and get Herro. Talking about how Ainge wanted Herro back when he was drafted.

Herro would be a nice fit in Utah.

[Who]

Some Blazers fans wondering if Ainge is actually after Tyler Herro and not Dame Lillard here. To be the 3rd team and get Herro. Talking about how Ainge wanted Herro back when he was drafted.

Herro would be a nice fit in Utah.

One suggestion was John Collins and a pick for Herro.

So

G: Scoot Henderson, Anfernee Simons
G: Shaedon Sharpe, Jaime Jaquez
F: Jerami Grant, Cartier Martin
F: John Collins, Nikola Jovic
C: Josuf Nurkic

Much bigger team. Two legit forwards with size. Legit backup SF in C Martin. Interesting lower level prospects in Jovic and Jaquez with size for their positions. They can start A Simons at SG if they want or go bigger with S Sharpe and have legit size throughout the team. Use Simons as a 6th man.

[Who]

I think we're trying to re-write history here. Dame wanted the Blazer to trade the pick for a vet so he could try to win in Portland. Instead, they used the pick to draft his replacement. Any story about Dame wanting to be traded needs to include that, otherwise it's ignoring the facts.

Comment from a Blazers fan.

[gouki88]

I think we're trying to re-write history here. Dame wanted the Blazer to trade the pick for a vet so he could try to win in Portland. Instead, they used the pick to draft his replacement. Any story about Dame wanting to be traded needs to include that, otherwise it's ignoring the facts.

Comment from a Blazers fan.

What about the other facts, like Portland committing to Grant for 5 years despite him not fitting the rebuild narrative at all?

[jpotter33]

I think we're trying to re-write history here. Dame wanted the Blazer to trade the pick for a vet so he could try to win in Portland. Instead, they used the pick to draft his replacement. Any story about Dame wanting to be traded needs to include that, otherwise it's ignoring the facts.

Comment from a Blazers fan.

What about the other facts, like Portland committing to Grant for 5 years despite him not fitting the rebuild narrative at all?

Or the fact that the Blazers were very actively shopping the pick, but there was no equitable value in star return for it. Again, Dame wanting them to take 50 cents on the dollar for a premium asset all for his benefit.

I think his reputation (outside of Miami) will take somewhat of a hit after this debacle. He looks like a spoiled child trying to have his cake and eat it too. He chose the money and long-term security knowing full well it limits his flexibility moving forward, yet now he wants to try and dictate that, too.

Luckily, I’m seeing more and more NBA people come out about this nonsense that they “owe it” to Dame to send him to Miami. Get out of here.

[gouki88]

I think we're trying to re-write history here. Dame wanted the Blazer to trade the pick for a vet so he could try to win in Portland. Instead, they used the pick to draft his replacement. Any story about Dame wanting to be traded needs to include that, otherwise it's ignoring the facts.

Comment from a Blazers fan.

What about the other facts, like Portland committing to Grant for 5 years despite him not fitting the rebuild narrative at all?

Or the fact that the Blazers were very actively shopping the pick, but there was no equitable value in star return for it. Again, Dame wanting them to take 50 cents on the dollar for a premium asset all for his benefit.

I think his reputation (outside of Miami) will take somewhat of a hit after this debacle. He looks like a spoiled child trying to have his cake and eat it too. He chose the money and long-term security knowing full well it limits his flexibility moving forward, yet now he wants to try and dictate that, too.

Luckily, I’m seeing more and more NBA people come out about this nonsense that they “owe it” to Dame to send him to Miami. Get out of here.

I don't recall Lillard ever taking less money to try and enable more financial flexibility on a team that would struggle to lure talent

[Who]

I think we're trying to re-write history here. Dame wanted the Blazer to trade the pick for a vet so he could try to win in Portland. Instead, they used the pick to draft his replacement. Any story about Dame wanting to be traded needs to include that, otherwise it's ignoring the facts.

Comment from a Blazers fan.

What about the other facts, like Portland committing to Grant for 5 years despite him not fitting the rebuild narrative at all?

Or the fact that the Blazers were very actively shopping the pick, but there was no equitable value in star return for it. Again, Dame wanting them to take 50 cents on the dollar for a premium asset all for his benefit.

I think his reputation (outside of Miami) will take somewhat of a hit after this debacle. He looks like a spoiled child trying to have his cake and eat it too. He chose the money and long-term security knowing full well it limits his flexibility moving forward, yet now he wants to try and dictate that, too.

Luckily, I’m seeing more and more NBA people come out about this nonsense that they “owe it” to Dame to send him to Miami. Get out of here.

I don't recall Lillard ever taking less money to try and enable more financial flexibility on a team that would struggle to lure talent

I thought the Blazers fan was on the right track.

Portland need to pick a direction either go with youth and rebuild or trade the youth and get vets to win-now with Lillard. Portland's GM wasn't willing to make a decision. Lillard was right to intervene and force his hand. If the GM won't make the decision, then Lillard has to take matters into his own hands.

[Quetzalcoatl]

I mean if he acts like he doesn't want to come here the whole time it would be good cover narrative against "super team" accusations

[gouki88]

I think we're trying to re-write history here. Dame wanted the Blazer to trade the pick for a vet so he could try to win in Portland. Instead, they used the pick to draft his replacement. Any story about Dame wanting to be traded needs to include that, otherwise it's ignoring the facts.

Comment from a Blazers fan.

What about the other facts, like Portland committing to Grant for 5 years despite him not fitting the rebuild narrative at all?

Or the fact that the Blazers were very actively shopping the pick, but there was no equitable value in star return for it. Again, Dame wanting them to take 50 cents on the dollar for a premium asset all for his benefit.

I think his reputation (outside of Miami) will take somewhat of a hit after this debacle. He looks like a spoiled child trying to have his cake and eat it too. He chose the money and long-term security knowing full well it limits his flexibility moving forward, yet now he wants to try and dictate that, too.

Luckily, I’m seeing more and more NBA people come out about this nonsense that they “owe it” to Dame to send him to Miami. Get out of here.

I don't recall Lillard ever taking less money to try and enable more financial flexibility on a team that would struggle to lure talent

I thought the Blazers fan was on the right track.

Portland need to pick a direction either go with youth and rebuild or trade the youth and get vets to win-now with Lillard. Portland's GM wasn't willing to make a decision. Lillard was right to intervene and force his hand. If the GM won't make the decision, then Lillard has to take matters into his own hands.

How do we know Portland wasn't willing to make a decision? They seemed to be actively shopping the pick - Lillard's own petulant behaviour would have devalued that pick, lessening the likely return. The Portland GM is perfectly fine in not accepting a poor offer on a good asset in Scoot.

[johnnygreen]

If Lillard has such a love affair with Miami, maybe he shouldn't have signed that supermax extension. There is the old adage, you can't have your cake and eat it too.