Report: Lillard requests trade

[Who]

Herro sucks. Can't guard and is hurt a lot. I would not want the contract either.

I would take Herro for Brogdon and the Warriors first. Blazers get an extra solid first and can flip Brogdon for more assets at the deadline.

What?!

I wouldn’t trade (healthy) Brogdon for (healthy) Herro straight up. Including that pick, no chance.

Why not?

I am unsure myself. I lean towards Herro but not certain.

[Muzzy66]

Herro sucks. Can't guard and is hurt a lot. I would not want the contract either.

I would take Herro for Brogdon and the Warriors first. Blazers get an extra solid first and can flip Brogdon for more assets at the deadline.

What?!

I wouldn’t trade (healthy) Brogdon for (healthy) Herro straight up. Including that pick, no chance.

Why not?

I am unsure myself. I lean towards Herro but not certain.

I wouldn't trade Brogdon for Herro straight up either. 

Herro really is a one trick pony.  I've never seen him do much beyond just scoring, and his scoring is inconsistent - especially in the playoffs, where he seems to completely fall apart. 

Over the past three seasons Herro has regular season averages 18.9 PPG on 44% FG /38% 3PT and playoff averages of 12.6 PPG on 41% FG/24% 3PT in the playoffs.  A huge drop off.  The scoring drop is largely explained by a major drop in minutes (33.7 MPG in the regular season vs 24.7 MPG in the playoffs over the last 3 years) - given his horrible playoff shooting I assume this drop in minutes is due to a simple lack of coach faith in him to play big minutes when it matters. 

By comparison Brogdon has averaged 15.4 PPG on 47% FG / 39% 3PT in the regular season and 12 PPG on 42% FG / 38% 3PT in the playoffs.  Still a significant drop in FG%, but at least his three point shooting has been steady.

In terms of advanced stats, Herro for his career has a net rating of -7 and Box Plus/Minus of -0.2, while Brogdon has a net rating of +3 and Box Plus/Minus of +1.4, suggesting that Herro is a net liability for his team while Brogdon is a net asset. 

He is also horribly an inefficient scorer.  Herro has a career average of 0.20 points per FGA while Brogdon has a career average of 0.26 points per FGA. 

Herro has only averaged 60 games played per year as well (vs 57 games played per year for Brogdon) so he hasn't been that much more reliable health wise either.  And Brogdon has the versatility to play either PG or SG equally effectively, while Herro is really a pure SG. 

Personally, I'd rather Brogdon. 

[cman88]

can someone explain to me the whole "Blazers need to do Dame right he was loyal to them!" and "if they dont trade him to miami no free agents will want to come there"

they paid him $450million dollars. It's not like he took any discount and played for peanuts for them. he signed on the dotted line last year for 5 years because no other team could pay him more. Now hes whining unless he gets sent to his 1 preferred team.

No free agents went to Portland before anyway. They didn't go to play with Dame...Like any mid-market team who isn't in Miami, LA they need to build through trades/draft. Managements job is to get the best return for Dame and put the best product on the floor they can, or enough assets to be able to build for the future.

It would honestly be malpractice to the fans if they trade Dame for pennies on the dollar and get nothing to build for their future.

[Neurotic Guy]

can someone explain to me the whole "Blazers need to do Dame right he was loyal to them!" and "if they dont trade him to miami no free agents will want to come there"

they paid him $450million dollars. It's not like he took any discount and played for peanuts for them. he signed on the dotted line last year for 5 years because no other team could pay him more. Now hes whining unless he gets sent to his 1 preferred team.

No free agents went to Portland before anyway. They didn't go to play with Dame...Like any mid-market team who isn't in Miami, LA they need to build through trades/draft. Managements job is to get the best return for Dame and put the best product on the floor they can, or enough assets to be able to build for the future.

It would honestly be malpractice to the fans if they trade Dame for pennies on the dollar and get nothing to build for their future.

While everything you say here is correct IMO, the complicating factor in today’s NBA is that when a player declares that they want to play for a particular team, they immediately destroy the trade market for their current team.  Talk about disloyalty!!!!   The team that signed him for 450M and lived up to the contract, now has diminished leverage because teams don’t want to trade for a guy who has, in essence, declared he doesn’t want to play for them. 

You could argue that Dame, if traded to a non-preferred team, would be a professional and perform, but if you are that team’s GM or owner do you want to trade your best assets for a guy who may be disgruntled and demanding a trade months down the road?  There is no question that Dame’s self-centered demand to be traded to the Heat hurts Portland’s capacity to get top value. That’s why they are stuck left to consider a Tyler Herro and parts trade for a top 10-15 NBA stud.

Portland should say to the Heat - put Bam or Butler on the table or forget it, and they should say to Dame, put 6 teams on your preferred list and we’ll see what we can do. Otherwise, you’re here. 

[wiley]

can someone explain to me the whole "Blazers need to do Dame right he was loyal to them!" and "if they dont trade him to miami no free agents will want to come there"

they paid him $450million dollars. It's not like he took any discount and played for peanuts for them. he signed on the dotted line last year for 5 years because no other team could pay him more. Now hes whining unless he gets sent to his 1 preferred team.

No free agents went to Portland before anyway. They didn't go to play with Dame...Like any mid-market team who isn't in Miami, LA they need to build through trades/draft. Managements job is to get the best return for Dame and put the best product on the floor they can, or enough assets to be able to build for the future.

It would honestly be malpractice to the fans if they trade Dame for pennies on the dollar and get nothing to build for their future.

While everything you say here is correct IMO, the complicating factor in today’s NBA is that when a player declares that they want to play for a particular team, they immediately destroy the trade market for their current team.  Talk about disloyalty!!!!   The team that signed him for 450M and lived up to the contract, now has diminished leverage because teams don’t want to trade for a guy who has, in essence, declared he doesn’t want to play for them. 

You could argue that Dame, if traded to a non-preferred team, would be a professional and perform, but if you are that team’s GM or owner do you want to trade your best assets for a guy who may be disgruntled and demanding a trade months down the road?  There is no question that Dame’s self-centered demand to be traded to the Heat hurts Portland’s capacity to get top value. That’s why they are stuck left to consider a Tyler Herro and parts trade for a top 10-15 NBA stud.

Portland should say to the Heat - put Bam or Butler on the table or forget it, and they should say to Dame, put 6 teams on your preferred list and we’ll see what we can do. Otherwise, you’re here.

At this point trade Scoot.  Trade Sharpe for an excellent vet.  Go with Dame and a crew of experienced guys.  He'd change his mind if they traded Scoot, right?

[Goldstar88]

can someone explain to me the whole "Blazers need to do Dame right he was loyal to them!" and "if they dont trade him to miami no free agents will want to come there"

they paid him $450million dollars. It's not like he took any discount and played for peanuts for them. he signed on the dotted line last year for 5 years because no other team could pay him more. Now hes whining unless he gets sent to his 1 preferred team.

No free agents went to Portland before anyway. They didn't go to play with Dame...Like any mid-market team who isn't in Miami, LA they need to build through trades/draft. Managements job is to get the best return for Dame and put the best product on the floor they can, or enough assets to be able to build for the future.

It would honestly be malpractice to the fans if they trade Dame for pennies on the dollar and get nothing to build for their future.

While everything you say here is correct IMO, the complicating factor in today’s NBA is that when a player declares that they want to play for a particular team, they immediately destroy the trade market for their current team.  Talk about disloyalty!!!!   The team that signed him for 450M and lived up to the contract, now has diminished leverage because teams don’t want to trade for a guy who has, in essence, declared he doesn’t want to play for them. 

You could argue that Dame, if traded to a non-preferred team, would be a professional and perform, but if you are that team’s GM or owner do you want to trade your best assets for a guy who may be disgruntled and demanding a trade months down the road?  There is no question that Dame’s self-centered demand to be traded to the Heat hurts Portland’s capacity to get top value. That’s why they are stuck left to consider a Tyler Herro and parts trade for a top 10-15 NBA stud.

Portland should say to the Heat - put Bam or Butler on the table or forget it, and they should say to Dame, put 6 teams on your preferred list and we’ll see what we can do. Otherwise, you’re here.

Bam is turning 26 this month and Jimmy Will be 34 in September. If Portland is going to rebuild, which it sounds like they are since they drafted and kept Scoot, those two players wouldn’t make sense to have on their roster.

Miami on the other hand is looking to add Dame to help Butler and Bam.

[GreenEnvy]

Herro sucks. Can't guard and is hurt a lot. I would not want the contract either.

I would take Herro for Brogdon and the Warriors first. Blazers get an extra solid first and can flip Brogdon for more assets at the deadline.

What?!

I wouldn’t trade (healthy) Brogdon for (healthy) Herro straight up. Including that pick, no chance.

Why not?

I am unsure myself. I lean towards Herro but not certain.

Brogdon is a more impactful two-way player. Remember, he was a 20-5-5 guy with an expanded role that we couldn’t give him last season. And although he didn’t shoot the ball as efficiently in Indy, he’s a 50-40-90 threat.

I can’t speak to the severity of his injury and what it means for him moving forward, but assuming both he and Herro are healthy, Brogdon is the better player.

I know Brogdon’s biggest knock is his durability, but Herro isn’t exactly an iron man himself. Obviously Herro is considerably younger, but also on a worse contract than Brogdon.

Brogdon is due for a bigger role this season without Smart. While I don’t think he will be a 20-point scorer again, I do believe he can easily be a 12-5-7 guy, which looks a lot like Smart’s numbers. He won’t be Smart on the defensive end for sure, but he will also be significantly more efficient.

[Neurotic Guy]

can someone explain to me the whole "Blazers need to do Dame right he was loyal to them!" and "if they dont trade him to miami no free agents will want to come there"

they paid him $450million dollars. It's not like he took any discount and played for peanuts for them. he signed on the dotted line last year for 5 years because no other team could pay him more. Now hes whining unless he gets sent to his 1 preferred team.

No free agents went to Portland before anyway. They didn't go to play with Dame...Like any mid-market team who isn't in Miami, LA they need to build through trades/draft. Managements job is to get the best return for Dame and put the best product on the floor they can, or enough assets to be able to build for the future.

It would honestly be malpractice to the fans if they trade Dame for pennies on the dollar and get nothing to build for their future.

While everything you say here is correct IMO, the complicating factor in today’s NBA is that when a player declares that they want to play for a particular team, they immediately destroy the trade market for their current team.  Talk about disloyalty!!!!   The team that signed him for 450M and lived up to the contract, now has diminished leverage because teams don’t want to trade for a guy who has, in essence, declared he doesn’t want to play for them. 

You could argue that Dame, if traded to a non-preferred team, would be a professional and perform, but if you are that team’s GM or owner do you want to trade your best assets for a guy who may be disgruntled and demanding a trade months down the road?  There is no question that Dame’s self-centered demand to be traded to the Heat hurts Portland’s capacity to get top value. That’s why they are stuck left to consider a Tyler Herro and parts trade for a top 10-15 NBA stud.

Portland should say to the Heat - put Bam or Butler on the table or forget it, and they should say to Dame, put 6 teams on your preferred list and we’ll see what we can do. Otherwise, you’re here.

Bam is turning 26 this month and Jimmy Will be 34 in September. If Portland is going to rebuild, which it sounds like they are since they drafted and kept Scoot, those two players wouldn’t make sense to have on their roster.

Miami on the other hand is looking to add Dame to help Butler and Bam.

Yes - I get that.  Portland would look to a third team but now has Bam (who they would want) or Butler to dangle rather than Dame. And… sorry Heat - maybe you don’t have enough assets that you’re willing to part with  to get a top player in the league - and you decide it’s not worth it.  Isn’t that how it’s supposed to be? - You give to get?  You don’t sit back in Miami and LA waiting for a top player to force the hand of their lowly smaller market team to take 75 cents on the dollar.
Or I should say, if you’re in Miami or LAL that’s exactly what you do.

[BringToughnessBack]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/kevin-garnett-says-first-choice-for-2007-trade-was-kobe-bryant-and-lakers


You know, in 2007, a certain someone wanted the Lakers and only the Lakers too...if someone out there really want Lillard on their team and not named the Heat, book a trip and go explain why he is their holy grail for titles....and if the Celtics do truly want to make another splash, Tatum and Brad and Coach Joe should be/or should have been on a plane to visit assuming the Blazers give permission for that..

[TheBigTicket23]

I think its time Kevin Garnett gives a certain player a visit.

Lillard seems like the guy who would love the culture, pride and history of an organization like ours.

Winning in Miami is not the same as in Boston….

[Vermont Green]

I am not getting excited about Lillard.  I don't see how MIA can make a trade that would work for POR, and I don't see POR trading him just to trade him.  Lowry and Herro and parts and picks is just not a good deal for Lillard, even if they are able to dump Nurkic.  The deal to me, would have to be Herro + Adebayo plus whatever.  Jerami Grant could be their PF and Adebayo their C.  But if MIA does that, I don't see them having enough size to be a title contender.  Sure, Lillard + Butler is formidable but what else would they have?

And as far as the Celtics being involved, yes, Lillard would be a great fit with Tatum and Porzingis for a few years.  But we would need to trade Brown to make that happen.  I don't see us getting him for Brogdon and half our not named Brown-Tatum-Porzingis roster.  And at that point, our roster would be too top heavy anyway.  We might be able to offer something like the following:

Brown + RWill + Pritchard
for
Lillard + Sharpe

I understand they are not going to want to give up Sharpe but they are getting Jaylen Brown, a young star plus a pretty decent young big and a serviceable back up PG.  No other team is going to be able to match that.  In the end, I doubt that Celtic Ownership/Management would want to give up Brown for Lillard, but if there is any chance of Lillard to Boston, this is the type of deal that would be needed.

[celticsclay]

I am not getting excited about Lillard.  I don't see how MIA can make a trade that would work for POR, and I don't see POR trading him just to trade him.  Lowry and Herro and parts and picks is just not a good deal for Lillard, even if they are able to dump Nurkic.  The deal to me, would have to be Herro + Adebayo plus whatever.  Jerami Grant could be their PF and Adebayo their C.  But if MIA does that, I don't see them having enough size to be a title contender.  Sure, Lillard + Butler is formidable but what else would they have?

And as far as the Celtics being involved, yes, Lillard would be a great fit with Tatum and Porzingis for a few years.  But we would need to trade Brown to make that happen.  I don't see us getting him for Brogdon and half our not named Brown-Tatum-Porzingis roster.  And at that point, our roster would be too top heavy anyway.  We might be able to offer something like the following:

Brown + RWill + Pritchard
for
Lillard + Sharpe

I understand they are not going to want to give up Sharpe but they are getting Jaylen Brown, a young star plus a pretty decent young big and a serviceable back up PG.  No other team is going to be able to match that.  In the end, I doubt that Celtic Ownership/Management would want to give up Brown for Lillard, but if there is any chance of Lillard to Boston, this is the type of deal that would be needed.

I don’t really understand how people think we can give up Robert Williams right now. Our nba rotation bigs would be a 38 year Horford and a guy with a super lengthy injury history in porzingas. Are we playing Muscala or kornet regular minutes in this scenario?

[celticinorlando]

I’m about done with dame

[Celtics2021]

I am not getting excited about Lillard.  I don't see how MIA can make a trade that would work for POR, and I don't see POR trading him just to trade him.  Lowry and Herro and parts and picks is just not a good deal for Lillard, even if they are able to dump Nurkic.  The deal to me, would have to be Herro + Adebayo plus whatever.  Jerami Grant could be their PF and Adebayo their C.  But if MIA does that, I don't see them having enough size to be a title contender.  Sure, Lillard + Butler is formidable but what else would they have?

And as far as the Celtics being involved, yes, Lillard would be a great fit with Tatum and Porzingis for a few years.  But we would need to trade Brown to make that happen.  I don't see us getting him for Brogdon and half our not named Brown-Tatum-Porzingis roster.  And at that point, our roster would be too top heavy anyway.  We might be able to offer something like the following:

Brown + RWill + Pritchard
for
Lillard + Sharpe

I understand they are not going to want to give up Sharpe but they are getting Jaylen Brown, a young star plus a pretty decent young big and a serviceable back up PG.  No other team is going to be able to match that.  In the end, I doubt that Celtic Ownership/Management would want to give up Brown for Lillard, but if there is any chance of Lillard to Boston, this is the type of deal that would be needed.

I don’t really understand how people think we can give up Robert Williams right now. Our nba rotation bigs would be a 38 year Horford and a guy with a super lengthy injury history in porzingas. Are we playing Muscala or kornet regular minutes in this scenario?

Certainly not Muscala.  He’s not even on the team!

[Birdman]

I wouldn’t sell the farm for dame & his huge contract, age & seems getting hurt a lot lately..Having Porzingus, Horford, Tatum, Brown & Lillard be best starting lineup in NBA but u wouldn’t have no bench & salary cap be shot for years