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Re: NBA Off-Season News
« Reply #510 on: September 14, 2023, 12:33:22 PM »

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“And is he the best? I think that Dražen, Dino, Divac, and Sabonis have done things that he hasn’t touched yet, although I believe he will. But, realistically, if Sabonis was now in the NBA at the age of 24, or Dražen, or Dino, or me… My people, if we used to watch the NBA on TV, we would certainly be much better than then. But comparisons are unnecessary, in my opinion, especially of different generations. To conclude, Jokić’s quality and size are not at all questionable,” Toni added.
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I love my man Dino, and Drazen and Divac were great players, but what have they done that Jokic hasn't accomplished?

The only guy I can't realistically compare Jokic to is Prime Sabonis.  Was he a top-5 center of all-time?  It's so hard to project.

The question of "how good could they have been if they'd grown up in a culture that embraced basketball as fully as today" is an interesting one.

Petrovic is also of course a different story too, as he didn’t get to come to the NBA until 25 and then of course died at 28, with his career really starting to take off in his third of fourth seasons.  But even then, you’re right — it’s more a question to what could they have done than what hasn’t Jokic done.

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Re: NBA Off-Season News
« Reply #511 on: September 14, 2023, 06:19:37 PM »

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“And is he the best? I think that Dražen, Dino, Divac, and Sabonis have done things that he hasn’t touched yet, although I believe he will. But, realistically, if Sabonis was now in the NBA at the age of 24, or Dražen, or Dino, or me… My people, if we used to watch the NBA on TV, we would certainly be much better than then. But comparisons are unnecessary, in my opinion, especially of different generations. To conclude, Jokić’s quality and size are not at all questionable,” Toni added.
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I love my man Dino, and Drazen and Divac were great players, but what have they done that Jokic hasn't accomplished?

The only guy I can't realistically compare Jokic to is Prime Sabonis.  Was he a top-5 center of all-time?  It's so hard to project.

The question of "how good could they have been if they'd grown up in a culture that embraced basketball as fully as today" is an interesting one.
Literally what is he talking about? The only one who could have the discussion is Arvydas, and that is half because of the unknown as to what he could have been - which, theoretically, was anything. But Jokic is miles ahead of all the others he mentioned
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« Reply #512 on: September 14, 2023, 06:37:48 PM »

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“And is he the best? I think that Dražen, Dino, Divac, and Sabonis have done things that he hasn’t touched yet, although I believe he will. But, realistically, if Sabonis was now in the NBA at the age of 24, or Dražen, or Dino, or me… My people, if we used to watch the NBA on TV, we would certainly be much better than then. But comparisons are unnecessary, in my opinion, especially of different generations. To conclude, Jokić’s quality and size are not at all questionable,” Toni added.
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I love my man Dino, and Drazen and Divac were great players, but what have they done that Jokic hasn't accomplished?

The only guy I can't realistically compare Jokic to is Prime Sabonis.  Was he a top-5 center of all-time?  It's so hard to project.

The question of "how good could they have been if they'd grown up in a culture that embraced basketball as fully as today" is an interesting one.
Literally what is he talking about? The only one who could have the discussion is Arvydas, and that is half because of the unknown as to what he could have been - which, theoretically, was anything. But Jokic is miles ahead of all the others he mentioned

Drazen career was entering his prime before his untimely death. The 2 years prior showed he was maybe the best shooter in the league. It is a shame to think what a few more years of seeing prime Drazen would have been like.
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« Reply #513 on: September 14, 2023, 07:10:17 PM »

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“And is he the best? I think that Dražen, Dino, Divac, and Sabonis have done things that he hasn’t touched yet, although I believe he will. But, realistically, if Sabonis was now in the NBA at the age of 24, or Dražen, or Dino, or me… My people, if we used to watch the NBA on TV, we would certainly be much better than then. But comparisons are unnecessary, in my opinion, especially of different generations. To conclude, Jokić’s quality and size are not at all questionable,” Toni added.
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I love my man Dino, and Drazen and Divac were great players, but what have they done that Jokic hasn't accomplished?

The only guy I can't realistically compare Jokic to is Prime Sabonis.  Was he a top-5 center of all-time?  It's so hard to project.

The question of "how good could they have been if they'd grown up in a culture that embraced basketball as fully as today" is an interesting one.
Literally what is he talking about? The only one who could have the discussion is Arvydas, and that is half because of the unknown as to what he could have been - which, theoretically, was anything. But Jokic is miles ahead of all the others he mentioned

Drazen career was entering his prime before his untimely death. The 2 years prior showed he was maybe the best shooter in the league. It is a shame to think what a few more years of seeing prime Drazen would have been like.

And Drazen at his peak was still behind Jordan, Drexler, Reggie, Richmond and Dumars at his position in those two years.

Good argument he could've been better under today's style of play & rules though. His shooting threat would be enhanced. And teams couldn't be as physical with him allowing him to create more off the bounce.

Re: NBA Off-Season News
« Reply #514 on: September 14, 2023, 09:10:09 PM »

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“And is he the best? I think that Dražen, Dino, Divac, and Sabonis have done things that he hasn’t touched yet, although I believe he will. But, realistically, if Sabonis was now in the NBA at the age of 24, or Dražen, or Dino, or me… My people, if we used to watch the NBA on TV, we would certainly be much better than then. But comparisons are unnecessary, in my opinion, especially of different generations. To conclude, Jokić’s quality and size are not at all questionable,” Toni added.
Source: reddit

I love my man Dino, and Drazen and Divac were great players, but what have they done that Jokic hasn't accomplished?

The only guy I can't realistically compare Jokic to is Prime Sabonis.  Was he a top-5 center of all-time?  It's so hard to project.

The question of "how good could they have been if they'd grown up in a culture that embraced basketball as fully as today" is an interesting one.
Literally what is he talking about? The only one who could have the discussion is Arvydas, and that is half because of the unknown as to what he could have been - which, theoretically, was anything. But Jokic is miles ahead of all the others he mentioned

Drazen career was entering his prime before his untimely death. The 2 years prior showed he was maybe the best shooter in the league. It is a shame to think what a few more years of seeing prime Drazen would have been like.
I agree, but I think his passing has led to a bit of mythologising. He was a very good player, but I don’t think he ever would have been much more than a 3rd-teamer.
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Re: NBA Off-Season News
« Reply #515 on: September 15, 2023, 06:19:36 AM »

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“And is he the best? I think that Dražen, Dino, Divac, and Sabonis have done things that he hasn’t touched yet, although I believe he will. But, realistically, if Sabonis was now in the NBA at the age of 24, or Dražen, or Dino, or me… My people, if we used to watch the NBA on TV, we would certainly be much better than then. But comparisons are unnecessary, in my opinion, especially of different generations. To conclude, Jokić’s quality and size are not at all questionable,” Toni added.
Source: reddit

I love my man Dino, and Drazen and Divac were great players, but what have they done that Jokic hasn't accomplished?

The only guy I can't realistically compare Jokic to is Prime Sabonis.  Was he a top-5 center of all-time?  It's so hard to project.

The question of "how good could they have been if they'd grown up in a culture that embraced basketball as fully as today" is an interesting one.
Literally what is he talking about? The only one who could have the discussion is Arvydas, and that is half because of the unknown as to what he could have been - which, theoretically, was anything. But Jokic is miles ahead of all the others he mentioned

Drazen career was entering his prime before his untimely death. The 2 years prior showed he was maybe the best shooter in the league. It is a shame to think what a few more years of seeing prime Drazen would have been like.

And Drazen at his peak was still behind Jordan, Drexler, Reggie, Richmond and Dumars at his position in those two years.

Good argument he could've been better under today's style of play & rules though. His shooting threat would be enhanced. And teams couldn't be as physical with him allowing him to create more off the bounce.
In 93, Drazen was 3rd Team All NBA, behind only Jordan and Dumars and that was Dumars best year.  Joe D got worse every year after that till he retired.  Drazen was better than Reggie that year. He was similar to Mitch who missed half the games.  Drexler was past 30 and on the downslope of his career. There is a decent chance, Drazen would have peaked as the 2nd best SG in the league behind only Jordan during the Bulls 2nd 3-peat years.
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« Reply #516 on: September 15, 2023, 07:03:26 AM »

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It appears that I was in a coma for the last two weeks because I didn't notice that Christian Wood signed with the Lakers for practically nothing. I'm surprised that there was practically no market for him, considering he's a guy over 6'10" who can shoot from long range. The Lakers got a lot of value for $2.5 million or whatever it is.

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« Reply #517 on: September 15, 2023, 12:28:00 PM »

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It appears that I was in a coma for the last two weeks because I didn't notice that Christian Wood signed with the Lakers for practically nothing. I'm surprised that there was practically no market for him, considering he's a guy over 6'10" who can shoot from long range. The Lakers got a lot of value for $2.5 million or whatever it is.

Maybe the laziest defender in the league? He either doesnt have the ability to learn NBA defenses or he just doesnt want to play defense. I'm glad Celtics are focused on guys who want to improve on both ends.
ok fine

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« Reply #518 on: September 15, 2023, 12:45:13 PM »

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Vanderbilt signed a 4 year, 48 million extension with Lakers.  Seems like a good move for both Jared and the team.
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« Reply #519 on: September 15, 2023, 02:20:54 PM »

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Golden State gotta meet with Dwight Howard..got anything left, he’s  37
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Warriors sign Garuba to 2 way.

Drat

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« Reply #521 on: September 15, 2023, 03:50:59 PM »

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Warriors sign Garuba to 2 way.

Drat

Drat indeed!   Just days ago I saw something that said he was returning to Madrid.

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« Reply #522 on: September 16, 2023, 07:28:37 AM »

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Golden State gotta meet with Dwight Howard..got anything left, he’s  37

I think he could be useful for 10-15 minutes of rebounding and defense in a strong locker room that won’t put up with his shenanigans.

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« Reply #523 on: September 16, 2023, 03:28:12 PM »

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Honestly Dwight could've been a good big insurance for this team...10-15 minutes of rebounding and defense is huge esp off the bench. Not asking him to score dynamically or anything but Brad/Mazz philosophy is shoot 3's all day everyday even if you're Center.


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« Reply #524 on: September 16, 2023, 03:59:38 PM »

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Honestly Dwight could've been a good big insurance for this team...10-15 minutes of rebounding and defense is huge esp off the bench. Not asking him to score dynamically or anything but Brad/Mazz philosophy is shoot 3's all day everyday even if you're Center.
Aren't Williams and Kornet 2/3 of the centers on this team?
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