2023 NBA Trade Rumors & rumors FA signings

[gouki88]

Adrian Wojnarowski: Sacramento Kings forward Harrison Barnes – a key part of the franchise’s rise into Western Conference contention – has agreed on a new three-year, $54 million contract extension, his agent Jeff Schwartz of @Excelbasketball tells ESPN.

Solid deal. Always wanted him here

[BitterJim]

Adrian Wojnarowski: Sacramento Kings forward Harrison Barnes – a key part of the franchise’s rise into Western Conference contention – has agreed on a new three-year, $54 million contract extension, his agent Jeff Schwartz of @Excelbasketball tells ESPN.

Solid deal. Always wanted him here

I was really hoping we would end up bringing him in a couple seasons ago, but the Kings were smart to keep him. I don't think they'll get home court again next year, but at the very least the Kings will be a tough out

I can't even imagine saying that sentence a year or two ago lol

[tazzmaniac]

Results of process get worse every year lol

Because I will never not attempt to dunk on The Process when given an opportunity, it’s important to keep in mind that V1 of the cult of personality extended to “we’re going to draft great players because we have analytics that are so far beyond the rest of the league, it’s going to be like Moneyball.”

Let’s keep that in mind when we consider that:

The Process starts with Hinkie drafting Michael Carter-Williams 4 spots ahead of where the Bucks drafted Antetokounmpo.

It continues through drafting Jahlil Okafor one spot in front of Kristaps Porzingis (although the 2015 draft is not very good).

Then they draft Simmons two spots in front of Jaylen Brown, and trade so they can take Fultz instead of Tatum.

The moral of the story is that getting lots of good draft picks doesn't help that much when you suck at drafting players.

The process started with the Jrue Holiday trade.  Hinkie was only on the job a couple months before the draft so I mostly give Hinkie a pass on Giannis.  Not nearly as bad as Ainge trading up and then taking Olynyk over Giannis.  Porzingis wouldn't work out for the Sixers because he wanted to be drafted by New York so it would have been really hard to draft him especially with Embiid's first foot surgery having failed.  Porzingis and Embiid wouldn't have been a good fit either so Porzingis would have just been a tradable asset.  The process ended when Hinkie was fired.  All the mistakes made afterwards can't be attributed to the process. 

They really screwed up on the management side.  Firing Hinkie was bad enough but replacing him with Colangelo was terrible.  Then they bungle around after firing Colangelo so Coach Brown has to handle a draft.  Then they hire Elton Brand who had no qualifications for the job. 

[obnoxiousmime]

It doesn't really make sense to me outside of a culture/trade chip perspective. Barnes isn't a great defender and Murray is going to continue to eat into his minutes. I'm sure they heard through back channels that they're not getting any of the big fish in FA so they're shifting to re-signing their own (extending Sabonis/Barnes and re-signing Lyles). It's fine to keep the good vibes going for now, but eventually if they want to be a more serious defensive team Barnes is more part of the problem than the solution.

[footey]

Results of process get worse every year lol

Because I will never not attempt to dunk on The Process when given an opportunity, it’s important to keep in mind that V1 of the cult of personality extended to “we’re going to draft great players because we have analytics that are so far beyond the rest of the league, it’s going to be like Moneyball.”

Let’s keep that in mind when we consider that:

The Process starts with Hinkie drafting Michael Carter-Williams 4 spots ahead of where the Bucks drafted Antetokounmpo.

It continues through drafting Jahlil Okafor one spot in front of Kristaps Porzingis (although the 2015 draft is not very good).

Then they draft Simmons two spots in front of Jaylen Brown, and trade so they can take Fultz instead of Tatum.

The moral of the story is that getting lots of good draft picks doesn't help that much when you suck at drafting players.

The process started with the Jrue Holiday trade.  Hinkie was only on the job a couple months before the draft so I mostly give Hinkie a pass on Giannis.  Not nearly as bad as Ainge trading up and then taking Olynyk over Giannis.  Porzingis wouldn't work out for the Sixers because he wanted to be drafted by New York so it would have been really hard to draft him especially with Embiid's first foot surgery having failed.  Porzingis and Embiid wouldn't have been a good fit either so Porzingis would have just been a tradable asset.  The process ended when Hinkie was fired.  All the mistakes made afterwards can't be attributed to the process. 

They really screwed up on the management side.  Firing Hinkie was bad enough but replacing him with Colangelo was terrible.  Then they bungle around after firing Colangelo so Coach Brown has to handle a draft.  Then they hire Elton Brand who had no qualifications for the job.

Yes. Wonder if they had just kept Jrue.  They still could have tanked, gotten Embiid, and built around the two of them. Embiid was the only gem they got in all their tanking it seems. 

[goCeltics]

Hinkie had 2 picks in the Giannis draft. Almost all his picks at the top of the draft sucked. His strategy was right he just sucked at selecting the players.

Ainge was much better at selecting talent. The two Jays speak for themselves, Philly could of had both.

[SparzWizard]

Hinkie had 2 picks in the Giannis draft. Almost all his picks at the top of the draft sucked. His strategy was right he just sucked at selecting the players.

Ainge was much better at selecting talent. The two Jays speak for themselves, Philly could of had both.

I'll give them Ben Simmons in whom the consensus thought he'd be some type of generational talent player at the time. They made the "right" pick with him. Second pick was Brandon Ingram, tho I really wanted Ingram. Wouldn't have minded Buddy Hield either. We all know the true winner of that draft class was Jamal Murray tho.

But Markelle Fultz? Dang lol they literally had a chance to get Tatum or Mitchell 

[Who]

Adrian Wojnarowski: Sacramento Kings forward Harrison Barnes – a key part of the franchise’s rise into Western Conference contention – has agreed on a new three-year, $54 million contract extension, his agent Jeff Schwartz of @Excelbasketball tells ESPN.

Not a bad contract. $18mil a year for a good starting SF/PF.

[radiohead]

https://twitter.com/BrendenNunesNBA/status/1674460432550227968?s=20

I hope someone gives him a shot. Actually I wouldn’t mind giving him one of our 2 way slots.

[Moranis]

Hinkie had 2 picks in the Giannis draft. Almost all his picks at the top of the draft sucked. His strategy was right he just sucked at selecting the players.

Ainge was much better at selecting talent. The two Jays speak for themselves, Philly could of had both.

Hinkie only had 3 drafts and the first he was hired a month before the draft.  He made a draft day trade to take Noel at 6.  Noel was widely regarded as the best player in the draft, but the knee injury he suffered in college scared the top 5 drafting teams away from him, which is why Hinkie moved in to acquire the pick for Holiday.  In the Noel trade, the Sixers also picked up a future 1st round pick, which became the 10th pick in 2014. with the Sixers own pick at 11 in 2013, Hinkie selected the guy that would win rookie of the year.  He almost immediately knew he wasn't worth the investment and traded him for a future pick (it ended up being the 10th pick in 2018 - Mikal Bridges). In the 2014 draft, with the Sixers own pick Hinkie took Embiid at 3 (again widely regarded as the best player in the draft but the injury in college caused him to drop).  Instead of drafting Saric at 10 (the Pelicans pick he had just acquired), Hinkie traded the 10th pick for the 12th pick and then basically got their future pick back from the Kings (that would be the 5th pick in 2017 - De'Aaron Fox - a masterful trade by Hinkie actually got the Sixers swap rights with the Kings, which is how they ended up with the 3rd pick that was traded to Boston for the 1st pick) and then took Saric at 12. 

It was the last draft i.e. 2015, that Hinkie had that did not work, but the Lakers f-d him by taking Russell.  He either had to take a guy who refused to visit Philly and didn't want to be there in Porzingis, a non-center that clearly shouldn't have gone 3rd from a talent standpoint (hezonja, mudiay, johnson, winslow (though ainge may disagree with that one)) , or suck it up and take b.p.a. i.e Jahlil Okafor.  He obviously took Okafor, which in and of itself wasn't as bad as it looked because Embiid got hurt again and missed that entire year.  The pick by itself wasn't the real problem, it was not trading Okafor when his value was at its highest, but Hinkie only had 1 trade deadline to do that before he was gone (and he probably wasn't in full control because Colangelo had been brought in well before the trade deadline).  It was not trading Okafor when they should have that really doomed that pick and the value.  I mean Ainge was heavily rumored to be interested in Okafor and allegedly offered the 2016 Nets pick at the deadline that first year (Hinkie was still theoretically in charge at that point, but Colangelo had already been brought in and probably was the guy that backed out of that deal).  Boston looks a heck of a lot different with Okafor instead of Brown. 

[celticsclay]

Hinkie had 2 picks in the Giannis draft. Almost all his picks at the top of the draft sucked. His strategy was right he just sucked at selecting the players.

Ainge was much better at selecting talent. The two Jays speak for themselves, Philly could of had both.

Hinkie only had 3 drafts and the first he was hired a month before the draft.  He made a draft day trade to take Noel at 6.  Noel was widely regarded as the best player in the draft, but the knee injury he suffered in college scared the top 5 drafting teams away from him, which is why Hinkie moved in to acquire the pick for Holiday.  In the Noel trade, the Sixers also picked up a future 1st round pick, which became the 10th pick in 2014. with the Sixers own pick at 11 in 2013, Hinkie selected the guy that would win rookie of the year.  He almost immediately knew he wasn't worth the investment and traded him for a future pick (it ended up being the 10th pick in 2018 - Mikal Bridges). In the 2014 draft, with the Sixers own pick Hinkie took Embiid at 3 (again widely regarded as the best player in the draft but the injury in college caused him to drop).  Instead of drafting Saric at 10 (the Pelicans pick he had just acquired), Hinkie traded the 10th pick for the 12th pick and then basically got their future pick back from the Kings (that would be the 5th pick in 2017 - De'Aaron Fox - a masterful trade by Hinkie actually got the Sixers swap rights with the Kings, which is how they ended up with the 3rd pick that was traded to Boston for the 1st pick) and then took Saric at 12. 

It was the last draft i.e. 2015, that Hinkie had that did not work, but the Lakers f-d him by taking Russell.  He either had to take a guy who refused to visit Philly and didn't want to be there in Porzingis, a non-center that clearly shouldn't have gone 3rd from a talent standpoint (hezonja, mudiay, johnson, winslow (though ainge may disagree with that one)) , or suck it up and take b.p.a. i.e Jahlil Okafor.  He obviously took Okafor, which in and of itself wasn't as bad as it looked because Embiid got hurt again and missed that entire year.  The pick by itself wasn't the real problem, it was not trading Okafor when his value was at its highest, but Hinkie only had 1 trade deadline to do that before he was gone (and he probably wasn't in full control because Colangelo had been brought in well before the trade deadline).  It was not trading Okafor when they should have that really doomed that pick and the value.  I mean Ainge was heavily rumored to be interested in Okafor and allegedly offered the 2016 Nets pick at the deadline that first year (Hinkie was still theoretically in charge at that point, but Colangelo had already been brought in and probably was the guy that backed out of that deal).  Boston looks a heck of a lot different with Okafor instead of Brown.

Noel was a bust
Okafor was a bust
Saric has had a middling career especially considering they had to wait two years for him
Simmons was a bust

You can get all the lipstick in the world it is still a pig and the book is closed.

Also I can’t say this enough hinkiphiles have long held up the holiday trade as a stroke of genius. It was actually a bad trade. Holiday was an all star THIS YEAR. Noel is out of the league. Saric is a minimum guy. How can people defend this nonsense with a straight face in 2023?

[celticsclay]

https://twitter.com/BrendenNunesNBA/status/1674460432550227968?s=20

I hope someone gives him a shot. Actually I wouldn’t mind giving him one of our 2 way slots.

Yeah I would be fine with a two way if nothing else to make Tatum happy

[Kernewek]

Results of process get worse every year lol

Because I will never not attempt to dunk on The Process when given an opportunity, it’s important to keep in mind that V1 of the cult of personality extended to “we’re going to draft great players because we have analytics that are so far beyond the rest of the league, it’s going to be like Moneyball.”

Let’s keep that in mind when we consider that:

The Process starts with Hinkie drafting Michael Carter-Williams 4 spots ahead of where the Bucks drafted Antetokounmpo.

It continues through drafting Jahlil Okafor one spot in front of Kristaps Porzingis (although the 2015 draft is not very good).

Then they draft Simmons two spots in front of Jaylen Brown, and trade so they can take Fultz instead of Tatum.

The moral of the story is that getting lots of good draft picks doesn't help that much when you suck at drafting players.

The process started with the Jrue Holiday trade.  Hinkie was only on the job a couple months before the draft so I mostly give Hinkie a pass on Giannis.  Not nearly as bad as Ainge trading up and then taking Olynyk over Giannis.  Porzingis wouldn't work out for the Sixers because he wanted to be drafted by New York so it would have been really hard to draft him especially with Embiid's first foot surgery having failed.  Porzingis and Embiid wouldn't have been a good fit either so Porzingis would have just been a tradable asset.  The process ended when Hinkie was fired.  All the mistakes made afterwards can't be attributed to the process. 

They really screwed up on the management side.  Firing Hinkie was bad enough but replacing him with Colangelo was terrible.  Then they bungle around after firing Colangelo so Coach Brown has to handle a draft.  Then they hire Elton Brand who had no qualifications for the job.

You're not wrong, but I don't think what you're saying meaningfully impacts the moral of my story - Hinkie's Sixers were not very good at evaluating draft talent, and all the picks in the world weren't going to hide that fact.

[cman88]

so sixers are taking a step back next year looks like right? unless depending on what they get in return. but it wont be of Hardens talent.

Although I wonder are the clippers looking to add Harden to Kawhi/Paul george? or replace paul george with Harden?

and apparently no one wants Tobias harris

Kind of feel bad for Philly fans. perpetually stuck in 3rd place.

[cman88]

Results of process get worse every year lol

Because I will never not attempt to dunk on The Process when given an opportunity, it’s important to keep in mind that V1 of the cult of personality extended to “we’re going to draft great players because we have analytics that are so far beyond the rest of the league, it’s going to be like Moneyball.”

Let’s keep that in mind when we consider that:

The Process starts with Hinkie drafting Michael Carter-Williams 4 spots ahead of where the Bucks drafted Antetokounmpo.

It continues through drafting Jahlil Okafor one spot in front of Kristaps Porzingis (although the 2015 draft is not very good).

Then they draft Simmons two spots in front of Jaylen Brown, and trade so they can take Fultz instead of Tatum.

The moral of the story is that getting lots of good draft picks doesn't help that much when you suck at drafting players.

The process started with the Jrue Holiday trade.  Hinkie was only on the job a couple months before the draft so I mostly give Hinkie a pass on Giannis.  Not nearly as bad as Ainge trading up and then taking Olynyk over Giannis.  Porzingis wouldn't work out for the Sixers because he wanted to be drafted by New York so it would have been really hard to draft him especially with Embiid's first foot surgery having failed.  Porzingis and Embiid wouldn't have been a good fit either so Porzingis would have just been a tradable asset.  The process ended when Hinkie was fired.  All the mistakes made afterwards can't be attributed to the process. 

They really screwed up on the management side.  Firing Hinkie was bad enough but replacing him with Colangelo was terrible.  Then they bungle around after firing Colangelo so Coach Brown has to handle a draft.  Then they hire Elton Brand who had no qualifications for the job.

You're not wrong, but I don't think what you're saying meaningfully impacts the moral of my story - Hinkie's Sixers were not very good at evaluating draft talent, and all the picks in the world weren't going to hide that fact.

they also chose Tobias Harris over Jimmy Butler. imagine if they made the opposite decision? Not to mention signing away and mis-using Al Horford. Now he's back on the celtics and looks like a totally different player.

Sixers "process" has been a comedy of errors.