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Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #1200 on: September 21, 2023, 10:05:58 AM »

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Interest anyone in a Brogdan and second round picks trade for Hield and theis?

Now that the pacers have decided to move him Boston could be a legit destination. Would put more ball handling in Tatum and Pp would really be counted on. Buddy would spread the floor and give them a legit shooter off the bench

Prob could add a cheap pG like Austin rivers to provide depth. Theis would provide the 4th playable big.

With guys having non guaranteed deals it gives Boston the ability to reshape the roster if needed
I think the drop off from Brogdon to generic bench FA/Prichard is more substantial than you think, and Theis/Hield may not move the needle enough in exchange.

I like Heild and Theis but I agree that we would miss Brogdon more than most people seem to think.  Plus this trade does not work based on salaries.  Heild for Brogdon works but we would need to add about $6M if Theis is in the trade (He makes $9.1M).  I don't see any way this trade happens.

Funny that Austin Rivers was mentioned and now there is a report of him talking to the Celtics.  We could sign Rivers and waive Banton.  Austin Rivers would be an upgrade on Banton but he can't replace Brogdon.

The assumption is Brogdon is going to be ok to play. That is a big if right now.

That is fair.  Not sure if you are referring to his elbow or him being miffed about the trade that wasn't, or just his durability in general, but of course, if he isn't "OK" to play, that changes things.  I believe based on what is being reported that his elbow will be fine.  It is an injury that is expected to heal, the Celtics have said he is expected to be ready to camp, you never know but this does not seem like something to distrust.  It is very possible that he is miffed about the near-trade but to the point where he doesn't show up?

I like Brogdon on the Celtics.  I don't want to trade him.  I would have been fine with trading him instead of Smart but not in addition to trading Smart.  But if the Celtics do explore trading him for whatever reason, this trade you propose does not work.  It is too much salary coming back.  And assuming that Brogdon plays on the level he played last season, I don't feel it would improve the Celtics title chances.  Now if your assumption is that Brogdon is going to be injured much of the season or pouting over the near-trade, that is different.


Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #1201 on: September 21, 2023, 10:46:02 AM »

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Interest anyone in a Brogdan and second round picks trade for Hield and theis?

Now that the pacers have decided to move him Boston could be a legit destination. Would put more ball handling in Tatum and Pp would really be counted on. Buddy would spread the floor and give them a legit shooter off the bench

Prob could add a cheap pG like Austin rivers to provide depth. Theis would provide the 4th playable big.

With guys having non guaranteed deals it gives Boston the ability to reshape the roster if needed
I think the drop off from Brogdon to generic bench FA/Prichard is more substantial than you think, and Theis/Hield may not move the needle enough in exchange.

I like Heild and Theis but I agree that we would miss Brogdon more than most people seem to think.  Plus this trade does not work based on salaries.  Heild for Brogdon works but we would need to add about $6M if Theis is in the trade (He makes $9.1M).  I don't see any way this trade happens.

Funny that Austin Rivers was mentioned and now there is a report of him talking to the Celtics.  We could sign Rivers and waive Banton.  Austin Rivers would be an upgrade on Banton but he can't replace Brogdon.

The assumption is Brogdon is going to be ok to play. That is a big if right now.

That is fair.  Not sure if you are referring to his elbow or him being miffed about the trade that wasn't, or just his durability in general, but of course, if he isn't "OK" to play, that changes things.  I believe based on what is being reported that his elbow will be fine.  It is an injury that is expected to heal, the Celtics have said he is expected to be ready to camp, you never know but this does not seem like something to distrust.  It is very possible that he is miffed about the near-trade but to the point where he doesn't show up?

I like Brogdon on the Celtics.  I don't want to trade him.  I would have been fine with trading him instead of Smart but not in addition to trading Smart.  But if the Celtics do explore trading him for whatever reason, this trade you propose does not work.  It is too much salary coming back.  And assuming that Brogdon plays on the level he played last season, I don't feel it would improve the Celtics title chances.  Now if your assumption is that Brogdon is going to be injured much of the season or pouting over the near-trade, that is different.


I was referring to his actual injury and it being an issue.

Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #1202 on: September 21, 2023, 11:44:40 AM »

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I like Hield and think he’d fit great on this team with his spacing, but not at the cost of a reliable point guard when we’re already thin in that area.

Feels like the Brogdon stuff is all being overblown based on Washburn’s “no-story” story that he published trying to get clicks.
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Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #1203 on: September 21, 2023, 11:54:58 AM »

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Fwiw, Washburn and Mannix both reported that Brogdon was upset at the Celtics at the time of the trade, not that he still is (3 months later). And Shelburne said that she doesn't think the bad feelings are over. These are just not reports imo and we have to wait and see what Brogdon actually has to say.

He may very well be upset, but we don't even know for sure that he actually ever was. Remember when Joe said the thing about the 'healing process' after the trade. Was that actually the case or did Joe just say something stupid? Are these reporters using that as the basis of their reports or do they have any inside information? I can't imagine Ramona Shelburne has the inside scoop on the Cs.

For sure there’s a “healing process.”  Unless a player has asked for a trade (and there’s been zero indication that Brogdon had asked for one prior to the draft), it has to hurt on some level.  In the ideal world for the Celtics, Malcolm Brogdon would not be on the team and Marcus Smart would.  And every one of his teammates knows it, and all of his peers around the league know it too.  For sure he’s a professional and understands the business, and should even understand from a roster standpoint why they wanted to trade a PG for Porzingis, but he’s also human, and the Celtics are right to acknowledge that it’s natural he’s hurt and thus needs to heal.

Add to it that he’s injured, and there’s also probably a level of anger of the “I got hurt playing for you and now you want to trade me” vibe going on.

I do think it will matter little in the long run, because he’s had three months and he is a professional, but he’s going to be asked about it when he returns, so it won’t go away immediately.

Is it a healing process really, though? He's a very good player, but not a core piece - he understands the business of the NBA because he is literally a VP. Nobody is talking about the healing process between the Clippers and Marcus Morris. And in our case, we were trading a player who was actually desired by another team; the Clippers were just essentially salary dumping Morris. That has to hurt more.

It just gets annoying how anytime the Celtics trade or try to trade a player, it is this major headline and they are doing their guys dirty, but nobody else faces the same criticism. It's like, oh well, we attempted to trade you for a clearly better player to a team that actually really wanted you and it didn't go through. I get that it's not awesome, but it's something you should get over pretty quickly. Having three major reporters come out this week and talk about how p---ed off (yes, Washburn's words) Brogdon is/was is just salacious reporting.

And I'm still not sure that all of these reports aren't based on Joe's casual, awkward wording back in June.

Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #1204 on: September 21, 2023, 12:35:34 PM »

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Fwiw, Washburn and Mannix both reported that Brogdon was upset at the Celtics at the time of the trade, not that he still is (3 months later). And Shelburne said that she doesn't think the bad feelings are over. These are just not reports imo and we have to wait and see what Brogdon actually has to say.

He may very well be upset, but we don't even know for sure that he actually ever was. Remember when Joe said the thing about the 'healing process' after the trade. Was that actually the case or did Joe just say something stupid? Are these reporters using that as the basis of their reports or do they have any inside information? I can't imagine Ramona Shelburne has the inside scoop on the Cs.

For sure there’s a “healing process.”  Unless a player has asked for a trade (and there’s been zero indication that Brogdon had asked for one prior to the draft), it has to hurt on some level.  In the ideal world for the Celtics, Malcolm Brogdon would not be on the team and Marcus Smart would.  And every one of his teammates knows it, and all of his peers around the league know it too.  For sure he’s a professional and understands the business, and should even understand from a roster standpoint why they wanted to trade a PG for Porzingis, but he’s also human, and the Celtics are right to acknowledge that it’s natural he’s hurt and thus needs to heal.

Add to it that he’s injured, and there’s also probably a level of anger of the “I got hurt playing for you and now you want to trade me” vibe going on.

I do think it will matter little in the long run, because he’s had three months and he is a professional, but he’s going to be asked about it when he returns, so it won’t go away immediately.

Is it a healing process really, though? He's a very good player, but not a core piece - he understands the business of the NBA because he is literally a VP. Nobody is talking about the healing process between the Clippers and Marcus Morris. And in our case, we were trading a player who was actually desired by another team; the Clippers were just essentially salary dumping Morris. That has to hurt more.

It just gets annoying how anytime the Celtics trade or try to trade a player, it is this major headline and they are doing their guys dirty, but nobody else faces the same criticism. It's like, oh well, we attempted to trade you for a clearly better player to a team that actually really wanted you and it didn't go through. I get that it's not awesome, but it's something you should get over pretty quickly. Having three major reporters come out this week and talk about how p---ed off (yes, Washburn's words) Brogdon is/was is just salacious reporting.

And I'm still not sure that all of these reports aren't based on Joe's casual, awkward wording back in June.

1) He very likely considers himself a core piece.  I’m sure the staff all year told him “you’re a big part of what we’re trying to do”.  He won a league honor for his play.  Just because you don’t consider him a “core piece” (and I actually agree with you on that), I’m sure he does consider himself one.  And with the fourth-highest salary on the team, he’s being paid like one too.

2) As for criticism of the Celtics, I generally agree it’s unfair, although this case is odd, because it’s rare a deal so publicly falls apart as this one.  A lot of players have been almost traded, but this was different.

3) Because of 1&2, I have zero problem with what Joe said.  It’s obviously going to be an elephant in the room, and it’s better to acknowledge and move forward than pretend it didn’t happen.  Joe’s comment, whether thought through or not, didn’t give extra life to the story — the slow summer did.  Once Brogdon shows up to camp and plays in a game, the story will die, and there will be more interesting stories for the NBA to gossip about, but before then, I think it’s perfectly fine if Brogdon hears his coach acknowledge that it’s reasonable for him to have been hurt, because that acknowledgement will help everyone move forward.

Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #1205 on: September 21, 2023, 03:00:04 PM »

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Fwiw, Washburn and Mannix both reported that Brogdon was upset at the Celtics at the time of the trade, not that he still is (3 months later). And Shelburne said that she doesn't think the bad feelings are over. These are just not reports imo and we have to wait and see what Brogdon actually has to say.

He may very well be upset, but we don't even know for sure that he actually ever was. Remember when Joe said the thing about the 'healing process' after the trade. Was that actually the case or did Joe just say something stupid? Are these reporters using that as the basis of their reports or do they have any inside information? I can't imagine Ramona Shelburne has the inside scoop on the Cs.

For sure there’s a “healing process.”  Unless a player has asked for a trade (and there’s been zero indication that Brogdon had asked for one prior to the draft), it has to hurt on some level.  In the ideal world for the Celtics, Malcolm Brogdon would not be on the team and Marcus Smart would.  And every one of his teammates knows it, and all of his peers around the league know it too.  For sure he’s a professional and understands the business, and should even understand from a roster standpoint why they wanted to trade a PG for Porzingis, but he’s also human, and the Celtics are right to acknowledge that it’s natural he’s hurt and thus needs to heal.

Add to it that he’s injured, and there’s also probably a level of anger of the “I got hurt playing for you and now you want to trade me” vibe going on.

I do think it will matter little in the long run, because he’s had three months and he is a professional, but he’s going to be asked about it when he returns, so it won’t go away immediately.

Is it a healing process really, though? He's a very good player, but not a core piece - he understands the business of the NBA because he is literally a VP. Nobody is talking about the healing process between the Clippers and Marcus Morris. And in our case, we were trading a player who was actually desired by another team; the Clippers were just essentially salary dumping Morris. That has to hurt more.

It just gets annoying how anytime the Celtics trade or try to trade a player, it is this major headline and they are doing their guys dirty, but nobody else faces the same criticism. It's like, oh well, we attempted to trade you for a clearly better player to a team that actually really wanted you and it didn't go through. I get that it's not awesome, but it's something you should get over pretty quickly. Having three major reporters come out this week and talk about how p---ed off (yes, Washburn's words) Brogdon is/was is just salacious reporting.

And I'm still not sure that all of these reports aren't based on Joe's casual, awkward wording back in June.

1) He very likely considers himself a core piece.  I’m sure the staff all year told him “you’re a big part of what we’re trying to do”.  He won a league honor for his play.  Just because you don’t consider him a “core piece” (and I actually agree with you on that), I’m sure he does consider himself one.  And with the fourth-highest salary on the team, he’s being paid like one too.

2) As for criticism of the Celtics, I generally agree it’s unfair, although this case is odd, because it’s rare a deal so publicly falls apart as this one.  A lot of players have been almost traded, but this was different.

3) Because of 1&2, I have zero problem with what Joe said.  It’s obviously going to be an elephant in the room, and it’s better to acknowledge and move forward than pretend it didn’t happen.  Joe’s comment, whether thought through or not, didn’t give extra life to the story — the slow summer did.  Once Brogdon shows up to camp and plays in a game, the story will die, and there will be more interesting stories for the NBA to gossip about, but before then, I think it’s perfectly fine if Brogdon hears his coach acknowledge that it’s reasonable for him to have been hurt, because that acknowledgement will help everyone move forward.

That is a great point and probably explains why this was put out there by the Celtics.  It shows more understanding then just going to the other extreme and saying "stop being a baby and get out there an honor your contract".  I think they call this validation.

Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #1206 on: September 21, 2023, 03:14:10 PM »

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Fwiw, Washburn and Mannix both reported that Brogdon was upset at the Celtics at the time of the trade, not that he still is (3 months later). And Shelburne said that she doesn't think the bad feelings are over. These are just not reports imo and we have to wait and see what Brogdon actually has to say.

He may very well be upset, but we don't even know for sure that he actually ever was. Remember when Joe said the thing about the 'healing process' after the trade. Was that actually the case or did Joe just say something stupid? Are these reporters using that as the basis of their reports or do they have any inside information? I can't imagine Ramona Shelburne has the inside scoop on the Cs.

For sure there’s a “healing process.”  Unless a player has asked for a trade (and there’s been zero indication that Brogdon had asked for one prior to the draft), it has to hurt on some level.  In the ideal world for the Celtics, Malcolm Brogdon would not be on the team and Marcus Smart would.  And every one of his teammates knows it, and all of his peers around the league know it too.  For sure he’s a professional and understands the business, and should even understand from a roster standpoint why they wanted to trade a PG for Porzingis, but he’s also human, and the Celtics are right to acknowledge that it’s natural he’s hurt and thus needs to heal.

Add to it that he’s injured, and there’s also probably a level of anger of the “I got hurt playing for you and now you want to trade me” vibe going on.

I do think it will matter little in the long run, because he’s had three months and he is a professional, but he’s going to be asked about it when he returns, so it won’t go away immediately.

Is it a healing process really, though? He's a very good player, but not a core piece - he understands the business of the NBA because he is literally a VP. Nobody is talking about the healing process between the Clippers and Marcus Morris. And in our case, we were trading a player who was actually desired by another team; the Clippers were just essentially salary dumping Morris. That has to hurt more.

It just gets annoying how anytime the Celtics trade or try to trade a player, it is this major headline and they are doing their guys dirty, but nobody else faces the same criticism. It's like, oh well, we attempted to trade you for a clearly better player to a team that actually really wanted you and it didn't go through. I get that it's not awesome, but it's something you should get over pretty quickly. Having three major reporters come out this week and talk about how p---ed off (yes, Washburn's words) Brogdon is/was is just salacious reporting.

And I'm still not sure that all of these reports aren't based on Joe's casual, awkward wording back in June.

1) He very likely considers himself a core piece.  I’m sure the staff all year told him “you’re a big part of what we’re trying to do”.  He won a league honor for his play.  Just because you don’t consider him a “core piece” (and I actually agree with you on that), I’m sure he does consider himself one.  And with the fourth-highest salary on the team, he’s being paid like one too.

2) As for criticism of the Celtics, I generally agree it’s unfair, although this case is odd, because it’s rare a deal so publicly falls apart as this one.  A lot of players have been almost traded, but this was different.

3) Because of 1&2, I have zero problem with what Joe said.  It’s obviously going to be an elephant in the room, and it’s better to acknowledge and move forward than pretend it didn’t happen.  Joe’s comment, whether thought through or not, didn’t give extra life to the story — the slow summer did.  Once Brogdon shows up to camp and plays in a game, the story will die, and there will be more interesting stories for the NBA to gossip about, but before then, I think it’s perfectly fine if Brogdon hears his coach acknowledge that it’s reasonable for him to have been hurt, because that acknowledgement will help everyone move forward.

That is a great point and probably explains why this was put out there by the Celtics.  It shows more understanding then just going to the other extreme and saying "stop being a baby and get out there an honor your contract".  I think they call this validation.

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Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #1207 on: September 21, 2023, 03:17:38 PM »

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Fwiw, Washburn and Mannix both reported that Brogdon was upset at the Celtics at the time of the trade, not that he still is (3 months later). And Shelburne said that she doesn't think the bad feelings are over. These are just not reports imo and we have to wait and see what Brogdon actually has to say.

He may very well be upset, but we don't even know for sure that he actually ever was. Remember when Joe said the thing about the 'healing process' after the trade. Was that actually the case or did Joe just say something stupid? Are these reporters using that as the basis of their reports or do they have any inside information? I can't imagine Ramona Shelburne has the inside scoop on the Cs.

For sure there’s a “healing process.”  Unless a player has asked for a trade (and there’s been zero indication that Brogdon had asked for one prior to the draft), it has to hurt on some level.  In the ideal world for the Celtics, Malcolm Brogdon would not be on the team and Marcus Smart would.  And every one of his teammates knows it, and all of his peers around the league know it too.  For sure he’s a professional and understands the business, and should even understand from a roster standpoint why they wanted to trade a PG for Porzingis, but he’s also human, and the Celtics are right to acknowledge that it’s natural he’s hurt and thus needs to heal.

Add to it that he’s injured, and there’s also probably a level of anger of the “I got hurt playing for you and now you want to trade me” vibe going on.

I do think it will matter little in the long run, because he’s had three months and he is a professional, but he’s going to be asked about it when he returns, so it won’t go away immediately.

Is it a healing process really, though? He's a very good player, but not a core piece - he understands the business of the NBA because he is literally a VP. Nobody is talking about the healing process between the Clippers and Marcus Morris. And in our case, we were trading a player who was actually desired by another team; the Clippers were just essentially salary dumping Morris. That has to hurt more.

It just gets annoying how anytime the Celtics trade or try to trade a player, it is this major headline and they are doing their guys dirty, but nobody else faces the same criticism. It's like, oh well, we attempted to trade you for a clearly better player to a team that actually really wanted you and it didn't go through. I get that it's not awesome, but it's something you should get over pretty quickly. Having three major reporters come out this week and talk about how p---ed off (yes, Washburn's words) Brogdon is/was is just salacious reporting.

And I'm still not sure that all of these reports aren't based on Joe's casual, awkward wording back in June.

1) He very likely considers himself a core piece.  I’m sure the staff all year told him “you’re a big part of what we’re trying to do”.  He won a league honor for his play.  Just because you don’t consider him a “core piece” (and I actually agree with you on that), I’m sure he does consider himself one.  And with the fourth-highest salary on the team, he’s being paid like one too.

2) As for criticism of the Celtics, I generally agree it’s unfair, although this case is odd, because it’s rare a deal so publicly falls apart as this one.  A lot of players have been almost traded, but this was different.

3) Because of 1&2, I have zero problem with what Joe said.  It’s obviously going to be an elephant in the room, and it’s better to acknowledge and move forward than pretend it didn’t happen.  Joe’s comment, whether thought through or not, didn’t give extra life to the story — the slow summer did.  Once Brogdon shows up to camp and plays in a game, the story will die, and there will be more interesting stories for the NBA to gossip about, but before then, I think it’s perfectly fine if Brogdon hears his coach acknowledge that it’s reasonable for him to have been hurt, because that acknowledgement will help everyone move forward.

call me biased, (and I am! lol) IF Malcom feels slighted by the C's for trying to trade him for KP then I'm not understanding it at all.  No matter if you love or hate Marcus there is little doubt that he was adored by the fans and the C's (also confirmed by the fact that Marcus was their second choice to trade) and they STILL didn't seem to hesitate to pivot and trade him instead

Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #1208 on: September 21, 2023, 04:35:41 PM »

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Fwiw, Washburn and Mannix both reported that Brogdon was upset at the Celtics at the time of the trade, not that he still is (3 months later). And Shelburne said that she doesn't think the bad feelings are over. These are just not reports imo and we have to wait and see what Brogdon actually has to say.

He may very well be upset, but we don't even know for sure that he actually ever was. Remember when Joe said the thing about the 'healing process' after the trade. Was that actually the case or did Joe just say something stupid? Are these reporters using that as the basis of their reports or do they have any inside information? I can't imagine Ramona Shelburne has the inside scoop on the Cs.

For sure there’s a “healing process.”  Unless a player has asked for a trade (and there’s been zero indication that Brogdon had asked for one prior to the draft), it has to hurt on some level.  In the ideal world for the Celtics, Malcolm Brogdon would not be on the team and Marcus Smart would.  And every one of his teammates knows it, and all of his peers around the league know it too.  For sure he’s a professional and understands the business, and should even understand from a roster standpoint why they wanted to trade a PG for Porzingis, but he’s also human, and the Celtics are right to acknowledge that it’s natural he’s hurt and thus needs to heal.

Add to it that he’s injured, and there’s also probably a level of anger of the “I got hurt playing for you and now you want to trade me” vibe going on.

I do think it will matter little in the long run, because he’s had three months and he is a professional, but he’s going to be asked about it when he returns, so it won’t go away immediately.

Is it a healing process really, though? He's a very good player, but not a core piece - he understands the business of the NBA because he is literally a VP. Nobody is talking about the healing process between the Clippers and Marcus Morris. And in our case, we were trading a player who was actually desired by another team; the Clippers were just essentially salary dumping Morris. That has to hurt more.

It just gets annoying how anytime the Celtics trade or try to trade a player, it is this major headline and they are doing their guys dirty, but nobody else faces the same criticism. It's like, oh well, we attempted to trade you for a clearly better player to a team that actually really wanted you and it didn't go through. I get that it's not awesome, but it's something you should get over pretty quickly. Having three major reporters come out this week and talk about how p---ed off (yes, Washburn's words) Brogdon is/was is just salacious reporting.

And I'm still not sure that all of these reports aren't based on Joe's casual, awkward wording back in June.

1) He very likely considers himself a core piece.  I’m sure the staff all year told him “you’re a big part of what we’re trying to do”.  He won a league honor for his play.  Just because you don’t consider him a “core piece” (and I actually agree with you on that), I’m sure he does consider himself one.  And with the fourth-highest salary on the team, he’s being paid like one too.

2) As for criticism of the Celtics, I generally agree it’s unfair, although this case is odd, because it’s rare a deal so publicly falls apart as this one.  A lot of players have been almost traded, but this was different.

3) Because of 1&2, I have zero problem with what Joe said.  It’s obviously going to be an elephant in the room, and it’s better to acknowledge and move forward than pretend it didn’t happen.  Joe’s comment, whether thought through or not, didn’t give extra life to the story — the slow summer did.  Once Brogdon shows up to camp and plays in a game, the story will die, and there will be more interesting stories for the NBA to gossip about, but before then, I think it’s perfectly fine if Brogdon hears his coach acknowledge that it’s reasonable for him to have been hurt, because that acknowledgement will help everyone move forward.

call me biased, (and I am! lol) IF Malcom feels slighted by the C's for trying to trade him for KP then I'm not understanding it at all.  No matter if you love or hate Marcus there is little doubt that he was adored by the fans and the C's (also confirmed by the fact that Marcus was their second choice to trade) and they STILL didn't seem to hesitate to pivot and trade him instead

Once Smart traded Brogdon IS a core piece. Team has core 7 including starting 5 plus Horford or Rob nonstarter and Brogger.

Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #1209 on: September 21, 2023, 06:43:52 PM »

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Fwiw, Washburn and Mannix both reported that Brogdon was upset at the Celtics at the time of the trade, not that he still is (3 months later). And Shelburne said that she doesn't think the bad feelings are over. These are just not reports imo and we have to wait and see what Brogdon actually has to say.

He may very well be upset, but we don't even know for sure that he actually ever was. Remember when Joe said the thing about the 'healing process' after the trade. Was that actually the case or did Joe just say something stupid? Are these reporters using that as the basis of their reports or do they have any inside information? I can't imagine Ramona Shelburne has the inside scoop on the Cs.

For sure there’s a “healing process.”  Unless a player has asked for a trade (and there’s been zero indication that Brogdon had asked for one prior to the draft), it has to hurt on some level.  In the ideal world for the Celtics, Malcolm Brogdon would not be on the team and Marcus Smart would.  And every one of his teammates knows it, and all of his peers around the league know it too.  For sure he’s a professional and understands the business, and should even understand from a roster standpoint why they wanted to trade a PG for Porzingis, but he’s also human, and the Celtics are right to acknowledge that it’s natural he’s hurt and thus needs to heal.

Add to it that he’s injured, and there’s also probably a level of anger of the “I got hurt playing for you and now you want to trade me” vibe going on.

I do think it will matter little in the long run, because he’s had three months and he is a professional, but he’s going to be asked about it when he returns, so it won’t go away immediately.

Is it a healing process really, though? He's a very good player, but not a core piece - he understands the business of the NBA because he is literally a VP. Nobody is talking about the healing process between the Clippers and Marcus Morris. And in our case, we were trading a player who was actually desired by another team; the Clippers were just essentially salary dumping Morris. That has to hurt more.

It just gets annoying how anytime the Celtics trade or try to trade a player, it is this major headline and they are doing their guys dirty, but nobody else faces the same criticism. It's like, oh well, we attempted to trade you for a clearly better player to a team that actually really wanted you and it didn't go through. I get that it's not awesome, but it's something you should get over pretty quickly. Having three major reporters come out this week and talk about how p---ed off (yes, Washburn's words) Brogdon is/was is just salacious reporting.

And I'm still not sure that all of these reports aren't based on Joe's casual, awkward wording back in June.

1) He very likely considers himself a core piece.  I’m sure the staff all year told him “you’re a big part of what we’re trying to do”.  He won a league honor for his play.  Just because you don’t consider him a “core piece” (and I actually agree with you on that), I’m sure he does consider himself one.  And with the fourth-highest salary on the team, he’s being paid like one too.

2) As for criticism of the Celtics, I generally agree it’s unfair, although this case is odd, because it’s rare a deal so publicly falls apart as this one.  A lot of players have been almost traded, but this was different.

3) Because of 1&2, I have zero problem with what Joe said.  It’s obviously going to be an elephant in the room, and it’s better to acknowledge and move forward than pretend it didn’t happen.  Joe’s comment, whether thought through or not, didn’t give extra life to the story — the slow summer did.  Once Brogdon shows up to camp and plays in a game, the story will die, and there will be more interesting stories for the NBA to gossip about, but before then, I think it’s perfectly fine if Brogdon hears his coach acknowledge that it’s reasonable for him to have been hurt, because that acknowledgement will help everyone move forward.

call me biased, (and I am! lol) IF Malcom feels slighted by the C's for trying to trade him for KP then I'm not understanding it at all.  No matter if you love or hate Marcus there is little doubt that he was adored by the fans and the C's (also confirmed by the fact that Marcus was their second choice to trade) and they STILL didn't seem to hesitate to pivot and trade him instead

Once Smart traded Brogdon IS a core piece. Team has core 7 including starting 5 plus Horford or Rob nonstarter and Brogger.

Exactly.  He won freaking 6th Man of the Year.  He was basically a starter who had no ego, and did what was best for the team.

You guys are who are saying he isn't critical to the C's success are nuts.  He had a fantastic year last year.

And let's see what happens when our PGs are primarily White and Brogdon (and not Smart).

Ironically, we'll have the smartest PG roster in the league.

Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #1210 on: September 21, 2023, 09:12:08 PM »

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If Brad signs Austin Rivers then we’d be at the 15 man limit. Brad always wanted to go into the season with an open spot for flexibility.  Does this mean one of the lower tier guys may be released? Interesting.

Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #1211 on: September 21, 2023, 11:26:08 PM »

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I like Hield and think he’d fit great on this team with his spacing, but not at the cost of a reliable point guard when we’re already thin in that area.

Feels like the Brogdon stuff is all being overblown based on Washburn’s “no-story” story that he published trying to get clicks.
Didn't anyone notice that Brogdon became a turnstile on defense at the end of the season? The bad elbow excuse only goes so far. I might take Hield for him. Rob W could bring you a point guard who's decent but they could roll with White and PP at least to start the season.

Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #1212 on: September 22, 2023, 12:08:57 AM »

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I like Hield and think he’d fit great on this team with his spacing, but not at the cost of a reliable point guard when we’re already thin in that area.

Feels like the Brogdon stuff is all being overblown based on Washburn’s “no-story” story that he published trying to get clicks.
Didn't anyone notice that Brogdon became a turnstile on defense at the end of the season? The bad elbow excuse only goes so far. I might take Hield for him. Rob W could bring you a point guard who's decent but they could roll with White and PP at least to start the season.

Pretty sure he had an Achilles injury as well. It wasn’t just the elbow.
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I like Hield and think he’d fit great on this team with his spacing, but not at the cost of a reliable point guard when we’re already thin in that area.

Feels like the Brogdon stuff is all being overblown based on Washburn’s “no-story” story that he published trying to get clicks.
Didn't anyone notice that Brogdon became a turnstile on defense at the end of the season? The bad elbow excuse only goes so far. I might take Hield for him. Rob W could bring you a point guard who's decent but they could roll with White and PP at least to start the season.

Pretty sure he had an Achilles injury as well. It wasn’t just the elbow.
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« Reply #1214 on: September 22, 2023, 07:48:35 AM »

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Brogdon/Pritchard for Heild/Theis. Sign Cam Payne to be backup PG.