Celtics Off-Season News

[No Nickname]

I think there's no reason to debate Hauser vs Svi. Joe wants shooters, it's his offensive philosophy, and Brad is giving it to him with Hauser, Svi, and even Porzingis. I expect to see all three of them bombing away all season.

Outside of KP, I worry that the new additions are all pretty unreliable.  Brissett, Banton and Svi haven't shown a lot of consistency, particularly with their shooting.

I hear you about Brissett and Banton. I wouldn't be surprised if those two don't see the floor much, particularly Banton.

Svi, Hauser and Porzingis are established shooters though. Those three with Tatum, Brown, White, Horford, Brogdon and Pritchard give Joe a lot of shooters for his 3 point offense. Rob has been working on his 3 point shot this summer too, but I don't expect much on that front.

Is Svi an established shooter?

Last year he had a good shooting year, on low volume.  In 2022 and 2021 he was poor.  In 2020 he was good.  In 2019, bad.

So, five seasons, and he's shot well in two of them.  I think he's a question mark.

I think you have to grade these guys on a curve.  Svi in my mind is established for what he is, a decent bench guy.  Even with his unevenness season to season, he still is a career 36% 3PT shooter.  That is pretty good for your 11th or 12th guy.  He has 252 NBA games including 55 starts as the basis for establishing that he is a decent bench guy.

If you are comparing him to all NBA shooters, no, he has not established himself as an upper end shooter.  But if you compare him to all bench players in the NBA, he would grade a lot better.  And I don't think it is recency bias to look at last season and say that he shot 42.4% from 3 in 32 games and conclude that this is what he is capable of, if placed in the right situation.

He is going to be 3rd string on the Celtics, bottom third of the roster.  Relative to that population, he is pretty good based on his history.  And he has some ceiling to get better.  What more can you expect out of this level of player?  He isn't going to play much, probably, unless there are injuries (plural).  But if it comes to that, I think he will hold his own in the rotation.

I know it's not Stevens style, but I have to wonder if the Celtics promised Svi some regular playing time to sign here. In addition to the offer in Greece with more money and a large role, the Heat were reportedly after him. He would have been a great Max Strus replacement for them.

In these highlights from last year he looks like a poor man's Gordon Hayward:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkh7WpRp3oA

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I think there's no reason to debate Hauser vs Svi. Joe wants shooters, it's his offensive philosophy, and Brad is giving it to him with Hauser, Svi, and even Porzingis. I expect to see all three of them bombing away all season.

Outside of KP, I worry that the new additions are all pretty unreliable.  Brissett, Banton and Svi haven't shown a lot of consistency, particularly with their shooting.

I hear you about Brissett and Banton. I wouldn't be surprised if those two don't see the floor much, particularly Banton.

Svi, Hauser and Porzingis are established shooters though. Those three with Tatum, Brown, White, Horford, Brogdon and Pritchard give Joe a lot of shooters for his 3 point offense. Rob has been working on his 3 point shot this summer too, but I don't expect much on that front.

Is Svi an established shooter?

Last year he had a good shooting year, on low volume.  In 2022 and 2021 he was poor.  In 2020 he was good.  In 2019, bad.

So, five seasons, and he's shot well in two of them.  I think he's a question mark.

I think you have to grade these guys on a curve.  Svi in my mind is established for what he is, a decent bench guy.  Even with his unevenness season to season, he still is a career 36% 3PT shooter.  That is pretty good for your 11th or 12th guy.  He has 252 NBA games including 55 starts as the basis for establishing that he is a decent bench guy.

If you are comparing him to all NBA shooters, no, he has not established himself as an upper end shooter.  But if you compare him to all bench players in the NBA, he would grade a lot better.  And I don't think it is recency bias to look at last season and say that he shot 42.4% from 3 in 32 games and conclude that this is what he is capable of, if placed in the right situation.

He is going to be 3rd string on the Celtics, bottom third of the roster.  Relative to that population, he is pretty good based on his history.  And he has some ceiling to get better.  What more can you expect out of this level of player?  He isn't going to play much, probably, unless there are injuries (plural).  But if it comes to that, I think he will hold his own in the rotation.

I know it's not Stevens style, but I have to wonder if the Celtics promised Svi some regular playing time to sign here. In addition to the offer in Greece with more money and a large role, the Heat were reportedly after him. He would have been a great Max Strus replacement for them.

In these highlights from last year he looks like a poor man's Gordon Hayward:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkh7WpRp3oA

I was thinking the same thing. He's a glue guy type of player. I don't think he's ever played on a good team. He really seems to know how to play.

[Vermont Green]

I think there's no reason to debate Hauser vs Svi. Joe wants shooters, it's his offensive philosophy, and Brad is giving it to him with Hauser, Svi, and even Porzingis. I expect to see all three of them bombing away all season.

Outside of KP, I worry that the new additions are all pretty unreliable.  Brissett, Banton and Svi haven't shown a lot of consistency, particularly with their shooting.

I hear you about Brissett and Banton. I wouldn't be surprised if those two don't see the floor much, particularly Banton.

Svi, Hauser and Porzingis are established shooters though. Those three with Tatum, Brown, White, Horford, Brogdon and Pritchard give Joe a lot of shooters for his 3 point offense. Rob has been working on his 3 point shot this summer too, but I don't expect much on that front.

Is Svi an established shooter?

Last year he had a good shooting year, on low volume.  In 2022 and 2021 he was poor.  In 2020 he was good.  In 2019, bad.

So, five seasons, and he's shot well in two of them.  I think he's a question mark.

I think you have to grade these guys on a curve.  Svi in my mind is established for what he is, a decent bench guy.  Even with his unevenness season to season, he still is a career 36% 3PT shooter.  That is pretty good for your 11th or 12th guy.  He has 252 NBA games including 55 starts as the basis for establishing that he is a decent bench guy.

If you are comparing him to all NBA shooters, no, he has not established himself as an upper end shooter.  But if you compare him to all bench players in the NBA, he would grade a lot better.  And I don't think it is recency bias to look at last season and say that he shot 42.4% from 3 in 32 games and conclude that this is what he is capable of, if placed in the right situation.

He is going to be 3rd string on the Celtics, bottom third of the roster.  Relative to that population, he is pretty good based on his history.  And he has some ceiling to get better.  What more can you expect out of this level of player?  He isn't going to play much, probably, unless there are injuries (plural).  But if it comes to that, I think he will hold his own in the rotation.

I know it's not Stevens style, but I have to wonder if the Celtics promised Svi some regular playing time to sign here. In addition to the offer in Greece with more money and a large role, the Heat were reportedly after him. He would have been a great Max Strus replacement for them.

In these highlights from last year he looks like a poor man's Gordon Hayward:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkh7WpRp3oA

I was thinking the same thing. He's a glue guy type of player. I don't think he's ever played on a good team. He really seems to know how to play.

I don't know about glue but the guy never stops moving, sees the court, and can shoot.  Kind of reminds me of a taller Payton Pritchard, both are good ball handlers and shooters, Svi just has the size to get his shot off or make the pass in more situations.  To me, Svi has plenty of speed and quickness.

The video is of course highlights, there are no doubt low-lights along the way too.  You never really know about a player until you get them on the court with your team.  Think of Evan Fournier.  Seemed like he was going to be great but then when he got here, meh.  Expectations for Svi are much lower though.  I think he is going to be fine.

[Neurotic Guy]

I think there's no reason to debate Hauser vs Svi. Joe wants shooters, it's his offensive philosophy, and Brad is giving it to him with Hauser, Svi, and even Porzingis. I expect to see all three of them bombing away all season.

Outside of KP, I worry that the new additions are all pretty unreliable.  Brissett, Banton and Svi haven't shown a lot of consistency, particularly with their shooting.

I hear you about Brissett and Banton. I wouldn't be surprised if those two don't see the floor much, particularly Banton.

Svi, Hauser and Porzingis are established shooters though. Those three with Tatum, Brown, White, Horford, Brogdon and Pritchard give Joe a lot of shooters for his 3 point offense. Rob has been working on his 3 point shot this summer too, but I don't expect much on that front.

Is Svi an established shooter?

Last year he had a good shooting year, on low volume.  In 2022 and 2021 he was poor.  In 2020 he was good.  In 2019, bad.

So, five seasons, and he's shot well in two of them.  I think he's a question mark.

I think you have to grade these guys on a curve.  Svi in my mind is established for what he is, a decent bench guy.  Even with his unevenness season to season, he still is a career 36% 3PT shooter.  That is pretty good for your 11th or 12th guy.  He has 252 NBA games including 55 starts as the basis for establishing that he is a decent bench guy.

If you are comparing him to all NBA shooters, no, he has not established himself as an upper end shooter.  But if you compare him to all bench players in the NBA, he would grade a lot better.  And I don't think it is recency bias to look at last season and say that he shot 42.4% from 3 in 32 games and conclude that this is what he is capable of, if placed in the right situation.

He is going to be 3rd string on the Celtics, bottom third of the roster.  Relative to that population, he is pretty good based on his history.  And he has some ceiling to get better.  What more can you expect out of this level of player?  He isn't going to play much, probably, unless there are injuries (plural).  But if it comes to that, I think he will hold his own in the rotation.

I know it's not Stevens style, but I have to wonder if the Celtics promised Svi some regular playing time to sign here. In addition to the offer in Greece with more money and a large role, the Heat were reportedly after him. He would have been a great Max Strus replacement for them.

In these highlights from last year he looks like a poor man's Gordon Hayward:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkh7WpRp3oA

I was thinking the same thing. He's a glue guy type of player. I don't think he's ever played on a good team. He really seems to know how to play.

I don't know about glue but the guy never stops moving, sees the court, and can shoot.  Kind of reminds me of a taller Payton Pritchard, both are good ball handlers and shooters, Svi just has the size to get his shot off or make the pass in more situations.  To me, Svi has plenty of speed and quickness.

The video is of course highlights, there are no doubt low-lights along the way too.  You never really know about a player until you get them on the court with your team.  Think of Evan Fournier.  Seemed like he was going to be great but then when he got here, meh.  Expectations for Svi are much lower though.  I think he is going to be fine.

I was thinking of Fournier. I think the expectations thing is huge when it comes to how fans will view/perceive Svi v. Fournier.

[Roy H.]

I find the Svi comparisons to be fascinating.  I guess I'll just throw out a general reminder that this is a guy who played 32 games last season and wasn't in high demand this off-season in the NBA.  It's pretty unlikely that he finds the rotation, even on a Celtics team that is likely to feature a number of injuries.

Having him as a 14th man to roll the dice on is fine (although not my preference).  But, just in the past half-dozen posts or so, I've seen references to Strus, Hayward and Fournier.  I don't think that Svi is close to that class of player.

The other thing:  what value do fans place in YouTube highlights, particularly those that don't break down a player's game?

[Surferdad]

I find the Svi comparisons to be fascinating.  I guess I'll just throw out a general reminder that this is a guy who played 32 games last season and wasn't in high demand this off-season in the NBA.  It's pretty unlikely that he finds the rotation, even on a Celtics team that is likely to feature a number of injuries.

Having him as a 14th man to roll the dice on is fine (although not my preference).  But, just in the past half-dozen posts or so, I've seen references to Strus, Hayward and Fournier.  I don't think that Svi is close to that class of player.

The other thing:  what value do fans place in YouTube highlights, particularly those that don't break down a player's game?

Is he really that far down the depth chart?  Everyone agrees on the top-8. Then the interesting discussion begins:

I think there's some competition for the 9, 10, 11, 12 among Sam Hauser, Oshae Brissett, Jordan Walsh and Svi. These guys are all similar height, around 6'7".

Deep bench is Kornet, Davison, Scrubb and Banton. (You could put rookie Walsh here, but I'd like to see him get on the court with his elite defense.)

Based on that, I think Svi is no lower than 12th, especially if Walsh is on the deep bench.

[Vermont Green]

I find the Svi comparisons to be fascinating.  I guess I'll just throw out a general reminder that this is a guy who played 32 games last season and wasn't in high demand this off-season in the NBA.  It's pretty unlikely that he finds the rotation, even on a Celtics team that is likely to feature a number of injuries.

Having him as a 14th man to roll the dice on is fine (although not my preference).  But, just in the past half-dozen posts or so, I've seen references to Strus, Hayward and Fournier.  I don't think that Svi is close to that class of player.

The other thing:  what value do fans place in YouTube highlights, particularly those that don't break down a player's game?

I only mentioned Fournier as an example of a player that looked good while playing on a bad team (ORL) but then once on the Celtics, really looked a lot different.  I am suggesting that even though Svi looked like a decent bench player on CHA (in limited games), once he gets here, he could look a lot different.  And for what it is worth, Fournier only played 27 games last season.  I actually prefer taking a chance on Svi as the 14th guy (he will probably be better than that, ahead of at least Banton and maybe Walsh), over Fournier, even if Fournier were waived and available on a min contract.  I totally agree that there is no expectation that Svi is a "rotation guy".  It would be pretty hard for any player to crack the rotation on this Celtics team.

[Roy H.]

I find the Svi comparisons to be fascinating.  I guess I'll just throw out a general reminder that this is a guy who played 32 games last season and wasn't in high demand this off-season in the NBA.  It's pretty unlikely that he finds the rotation, even on a Celtics team that is likely to feature a number of injuries.

Having him as a 14th man to roll the dice on is fine (although not my preference).  But, just in the past half-dozen posts or so, I've seen references to Strus, Hayward and Fournier.  I don't think that Svi is close to that class of player.

The other thing:  what value do fans place in YouTube highlights, particularly those that don't break down a player's game?

I only mentioned Fournier as an example of a player that looked good while playing on a bad team (ORL) but then once on the Celtics, really looked a lot different.  I am suggesting that even though Svi looked like a decent bench player on CHA (in limited games), once he gets here, he could look a lot different.  And for what it is worth, Fournier only played 27 games last season.  I actually prefer taking a chance on Svi as the 14th guy (he will probably be better than that, ahead of at least Banton and maybe Walsh), over Fournier, even if Fournier were waived and available on a min contract.  I totally agree that there is no expectation that Svi is a "rotation guy".  It would be pretty hard for any player to crack the rotation on this Celtics team.

I want to know what happened to Terence Davis.  He got early interest from several teams -- including the Celtics and Bucks -- and then he seemingly dropped off the radar.  They're both similar players statistically, but for whatever reason I perceive Davis as a higher caliber of player.

Scroll down for career comparison:

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&player_id1=daviste02&player_id2=mykhasv01

And last season:

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=forall&year_min=2023&year_max=2023&player_id1=daviste02&player_id2=mykhasv01

It seems like they're pretty similar.  Svi has better size.  Both have defensive potential, but haven't shown it consistently.  I like that Davis carved out a role on a playoff team, though.

[Celtics2021]

I find the Svi comparisons to be fascinating.  I guess I'll just throw out a general reminder that this is a guy who played 32 games last season and wasn't in high demand this off-season in the NBA.  It's pretty unlikely that he finds the rotation, even on a Celtics team that is likely to feature a number of injuries.

Having him as a 14th man to roll the dice on is fine (although not my preference).  But, just in the past half-dozen posts or so, I've seen references to Strus, Hayward and Fournier.  I don't think that Svi is close to that class of player.

The other thing:  what value do fans place in YouTube highlights, particularly those that don't break down a player's game?

I only mentioned Fournier as an example of a player that looked good while playing on a bad team (ORL) but then once on the Celtics, really looked a lot different.  I am suggesting that even though Svi looked like a decent bench player on CHA (in limited games), once he gets here, he could look a lot different.  And for what it is worth, Fournier only played 27 games last season.  I actually prefer taking a chance on Svi as the 14th guy (he will probably be better than that, ahead of at least Banton and maybe Walsh), over Fournier, even if Fournier were waived and available on a min contract.  I totally agree that there is no expectation that Svi is a "rotation guy".  It would be pretty hard for any player to crack the rotation on this Celtics team.

I want to know what happened to Terence Davis.  He got early interest from several teams -- including the Celtics and Bucks -- and then he seemingly dropped off the radar.  They're both similar players statistically, but for whatever reason I perceive Davis as a higher caliber of player.

Scroll down for career comparison:

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&player_id1=daviste02&player_id2=mykhasv01

And last season:

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=forall&year_min=2023&year_max=2023&player_id1=daviste02&player_id2=mykhasv01

It seems like they're pretty similar.  Svi has better size.  Both have defensive potential, but haven't shown it consistently.  I like that Davis carved out a role on a playoff team, though.

I too am curious what happened to Davis.  I wonder if there was some off-court/injury thing that teams learned about but hasn’t gone public.  There are plenty of contenders who seem like they would have interest in him, and they all passed on him early and never circled back.  I suppose it’s possible he’s still holding out hope for more than the minimum.

[Vermont Green]

There have been several names mentioned recently, TJ Warren, Glenn Robinson, etc.  Terence was mentioned in terms of interest from the Celtics a couple of months ago it seems but I am not sure if there was any discussion or tryout.  I think the signing of Svi makes all of that moot.  Svi appears to now be the deep bench wing addition.  Positionally, Svi has the size to play SG or SF, which is more needed than someone like Terence Davis.  I am not sure any of these options would make much difference.  You don't know how much interest any of these option had in coming to Boston.  They may be all holding out for the Lakers or Heat.

There is still one open roster spot, plus waivable contracts for Kornet and Banton.  Hopefully any further adds includes a PF.

[Roy H.]

The Celtics still have one empty roster spot and a two-way-contract opening after signing veteran wing Svi Mykhailiuk last week. According to a league source, there are no imminent plans to fill the opening, and the team may wait to see which other players become available as cuts are made around the NBA during the preseason. They may target some extra frontcourt help, but also could simply seek a good developmental piece regardless of position. The Celtics would likely welcome a return by veteran big man Blake Griffin, who played well last year and was a strong locker room presence, but for now that appears unlikely as Griffin considers his future, the source said. – via Boston Globe

[No Nickname]

I find the Svi comparisons to be fascinating.  I guess I'll just throw out a general reminder that this is a guy who played 32 games last season and wasn't in high demand this off-season in the NBA.  It's pretty unlikely that he finds the rotation, even on a Celtics team that is likely to feature a number of injuries.

Having him as a 14th man to roll the dice on is fine (although not my preference).  But, just in the past half-dozen posts or so, I've seen references to Strus, Hayward and Fournier.  I don't think that Svi is close to that class of player.

The other thing:  what value do fans place in YouTube highlights, particularly those that don't break down a player's game?

Hold on, I said a poor man's Gordon Hayward.  Not alpha-dog, all-star level Gordon Hayward. 😆

And I only said that in terms of his off-ball movement, his ability to not only hit the three, but to occasionally drive/finish or drive-and-kick. 

His ballhandling is somewhat similar to Gordon's too where he's not just a catch-and-shoot type player, but he can put the ball on the floor and probe the defense a bit too (unlike Hauser).

[Neurotic Guy]

I find the Svi comparisons to be fascinating.  I guess I'll just throw out a general reminder that this is a guy who played 32 games last season and wasn't in high demand this off-season in the NBA.  It's pretty unlikely that he finds the rotation, even on a Celtics team that is likely to feature a number of injuries.

Having him as a 14th man to roll the dice on is fine (although not my preference).  But, just in the past half-dozen posts or so, I've seen references to Strus, Hayward and Fournier.  I don't think that Svi is close to that class of player.

The other thing:  what value do fans place in YouTube highlights, particularly those that don't break down a player's game?

Hold on, I said a poor man's Gordon Hayward.  Not alpha-dog, all-star level Gordon Hayward. 😆

And I only said that in terms of his off-ball movement, his ability to not only hit the three, but to occasionally drive/finish or drive-and-kick. 

His ballhandling is somewhat similar to Gordon's too where he's not just a catch-and-shoot type player, but he can put the ball on the floor and probe the defense a bit too (unlike Hauser).

Also, I don't think there were Evan Fournier comparisons exactly (the comp being similar size and position).  It was more (at least my post) about expectations.  Fournier having high expectations and there being a let down v. Svi not really having much in terms of expectations and perhaps exceeding what is expected.   In terms of player comparison, Fournier has been way more productive - not comparable.  The worse player though could end up getting more praise - by exceeding expectations since there aren't really any expectations.

[Roy H.]

I find the Svi comparisons to be fascinating.  I guess I'll just throw out a general reminder that this is a guy who played 32 games last season and wasn't in high demand this off-season in the NBA.  It's pretty unlikely that he finds the rotation, even on a Celtics team that is likely to feature a number of injuries.

Having him as a 14th man to roll the dice on is fine (although not my preference).  But, just in the past half-dozen posts or so, I've seen references to Strus, Hayward and Fournier.  I don't think that Svi is close to that class of player.

The other thing:  what value do fans place in YouTube highlights, particularly those that don't break down a player's game?

Hold on, I said a poor man's Gordon Hayward.  Not alpha-dog, all-star level Gordon Hayward. 😆

And I only said that in terms of his off-ball movement, his ability to not only hit the three, but to occasionally drive/finish or drive-and-kick. 

His ballhandling is somewhat similar to Gordon's too where he's not just a catch-and-shoot type player, but he can put the ball on the floor and probe the defense a bit too (unlike Hauser).

I just think we'd have to be talking about a really, really poor Hayward.  A Hayward that wasn't all that productive at passing, rebounding, getting to the line or defending.  A Hayward that was really poor in the paint outside of the restricted area.

As for Fournier, at least one (pretty wise) CelticsStronger has expressed a preference for Svi:

I actually prefer taking a chance on Svi as the 14th guy (he will probably be better than that, ahead of at least Banton and maybe Walsh), over Fournier, even if Fournier were waived and available on a min contract.

Hope is good.  It's a limited role, with some room for growth hopefully.  But, expectations should be tempered a bit perhaps.  This is a guy -- for those who like "advanced stats" -- that has performed at below "replacement value" for his career.

[Surferdad]

I find the Svi comparisons to be fascinating.  I guess I'll just throw out a general reminder that this is a guy who played 32 games last season and wasn't in high demand this off-season in the NBA.  It's pretty unlikely that he finds the rotation, even on a Celtics team that is likely to feature a number of injuries.

Having him as a 14th man to roll the dice on is fine (although not my preference).  But, just in the past half-dozen posts or so, I've seen references to Strus, Hayward and Fournier.  I don't think that Svi is close to that class of player.

The other thing:  what value do fans place in YouTube highlights, particularly those that don't break down a player's game?

Is he really that far down the depth chart?  Everyone agrees on the top-8. Then the interesting discussion begins:

I think there's some competition for the 9, 10, 11, 12 among Sam Hauser, Oshae Brissett, Jordan Walsh and Svi. These guys are all similar height, around 6'7".

Deep bench is Kornet, Davison, Scrubb and Banton. (You could put rookie Walsh here, but I'd like to see him get on the court with his elite defense.)

Based on that, I think Svi is no lower than 12th, especially if Walsh is on the deep bench.

I never quote myself, but felt a need to highlight my contention that Svi will be higher than 14th on the depth chart. If you put Jordan Walsh in the "deep bench" category, Svi is somewhere in the 9-11 range.